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Adrian Umbra24 votes

She's also got nerfs incoming...

Besides, now that champions like Kassawin are gone, SOMEONE had to fill in the void left by him riftstumbling out of his spot in the ban rankings.

aaronconlin4 votes

Have you seen his recent changes? Now it's rift leaping

The Soulforged1 votes

more like lunging

Malix Farwin2 votes

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She's also got nerfs incoming...

Besides, now that champions like Kassawin are gone, SOMEONE had to fill in the void left by him riftstumbling out of his spot in the ban rankings.

win rates someone will always be at the top or bottom but bans should be for champs you do not like or counter your comp rather then being OP. Also nid nerfs wont do much.

Reazale7 votes

I bet they will nerf her atk speed :P

captainkaiger3 votes

But she never left, and the nerfs aren't even addressing the non-interactive playstyle that is throwing spears from five miles away, at which point they become armed with NUCLEAR WARHEADS! Every Nidalee jungle, support or mid does this, no matter how much they try and defend the reasoning, they do this.

Fire Lord Cinder1 votes

Unless she has three mana items, she's going to run out of mana pretty fast from hurling her spears. Additionally if you get hit by a spear at max distance with its nonexistent hit box, thats on you. Nodal is really squishy, if you root or stun her she's pretty much dead. The only time she will murder you is if she lands her passive and you're under half health.

captainkaiger1 votes

You mean the hitbox that will still hit you if you have the misfortune of playing somewhere where 40 ping and lower is absolutely unheard of? Or do you mean when she HAS built straight mana regen and has straight penetration runes with some ap thrown in for fun, so that midlane becomes a game of dodgeball?

Those roots or stuns mean nothing when she's got a jump on a 3 second cooldown that can reset. Especially when, again, you aren't playing on a perfect connection or computer.

Aurelius Maximus18 votes

this is not uncommon

Not because riot is bad, but because there are so many champions that one champ being super gay at any given time is highly likely. Someone is always going to be the most banned/

Tbh ppl bitch about balance alot but if you compare the amount of champs you can play with success in ranked to any other game with character choice, riot is at the top % wise and number of characters wise.

disregardable3 votes

if you compare the amount of champs you can play with success in ranked to any other game with character choice, riot is at the top %

source?

Fauxfire1 votes

How about you look at the patch notes season 2 - season 5.

I give recent examples:

Lucian, Yasuo, Tristana, Ahri...

A Tall Joke2 votes

Look at the Smash meta dude. It's pretty closed off.

DotA is more successful tbh but dota also does very different things.

Aurelius Maximus8 votes

melee has 4-8 tourny usable characters

brawl had metaknight and about 10 others

uvmc3 has about 8 but vergil and zero are super on top

Street fighter is pretty ok but you can only use half the cast

Sm4sh four is pretty good right now though, you can use like 30 characters and place top 8 if you want

soul caliber rarely has variety

I play tekken alot but i don't watch tournies so im not sure but i feel like you could proly use 25% of that cast i could be wrong there though

Blazblue is bad too

Unib isn't much better

Dota doesn't have infinite variety

I mean these are off the top of my head in like 30 seconds and i have a pretty good working knowledge of all that shit

The Soulforged5 votes

You have to remember that the smash bros games don't have balance patches every month or so.

IcyPepper11 votes

but because there are so many champions that one champ being super gay at any given time is highly likely.

I understand Vi and Caitlyn getting banned by that logic, but I don't see Ezreal and Taric being banned all that often.

It's truly outrageous.

Kitten of Evil1 votes

I bet they'll try to convert Taric though. I'd be very surprised if he gets to keep that... Dazzle he's so known for.

test account1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Owl Or Nothing,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6F7lwB3Q,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-03-08T18:01:23.513+0000) one champ being super gay at any given time is highly likely.

DeusVult3 votes

While I tend to agree, the fact that Nid has been a high ban for 3+ years and has received almost no nerfs, just changes, I think that Riot is preferential to Nidalee. She has so much utility in her kit but then all of her power is loaded into 1 move which has almost no CD or mana cost

LittleBlast4 votes

Nidalee has very little Utility, Just poke and heals. She has no cc at all.

Kitten of Evil1 votes

I mean, her utility moves are her heal, her free dash, and her traps which reveal the bush as you place them and also reveal enemy champions. It's not a TON of utility, but it's not none. Mordekaiser has less, for example.

Kitten of Evil1 votes

It used to cost a lot more. I remember when they changed the spears' mana cost because they wanted her playstyle to be more about throwing spears.

Rrett1 votes

I think it's been like 4 patches with nid being the strongest in the game and they've done nothing to her...

Eedat1 votes

4 patches? You mean like 1-2?

Fauxfire9 votes

They didn't buff her, they just made her jungle-viable, and that lead to crazy stuff because apparently she's amazing at the jungle. Incoming nerfs - hold your horses. Nidalee 's about to make friends with Azir Veigar Kassadin

A Miss Fortune7 votes

Better nerf Sona.

Zair Umbras7 votes

Eh. Nidalee is only strong because she can be decent in the jungle. Most people don't know how to ward anymore and rely on ONLY using their trinkets. If you actually look at the global banrates in Gold+ (Which in most areas that aren't NA is actually good), Nidalee is sitting around a 30ish % with Kat, Zed, LB, J4, Vi, and Liss all sitting at 40-60% ban rates. Nidalee is at 31%...

If people warded the small bushes between mid and dragon, that tiny little nothing of a bush, they could see Nidalee coming from a mile away and know to stand closer to minions to avoid spears so she can't initiate. No spear, no jumping in. This of course is different if the enemy laner has CC and they bait you into being stupid so you eat the CC and promptly eat the spear because you're CC'd. Her Q just needs to be toned down in damage over range with a compensation of making its hitbox not suck. Hah.

Source is of course the more accurate website, http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/by-banrate

Ovion1 votes

Thanks for the help, I hate playing against nidalee jungle ,but I like when people use her, at least there is an AP jungle in the meta...

Jungle Lux God6 votes

Hey, its better than it was before.

I remember sometime in season 3 (I think it was season 3) where both Kassadin and Nunu both had 90% ban rates.

In other words, Nidalee having a 75% ban rate is a big improvement.

The Soulforged1 votes

Season 2 was really balanced :/

TheI3igDaddy4 votes

Mainly because she's a good jungler now, I take it.

I hate to say this, but I'm actually glad that Nidalee is being played there.

Take in mind that I hate this fucking champion, hate. But I figured, 'hey, if she's a cougar / human hybrid that lives in the fucking jungle, shouldn't she be there instead of literally everywhere else?' And now she finally is in the jungle, but she's still a mess balance-wise. I just want her to be toned down, but I do not want her removed from the jungle; it actually fits her character.

Immortal Strife3 votes

She is the number one ban because Fizz got completely changed. She will be nerfed soon enough if her ban rate does not fall.

Juggernaut6283 votes

http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&type=champion-winrate&range=monthly&map=sr&queue=5x5&league=challenger

Look 0.4% of popularity of Quinn and a 90% win rate in Masters+ 5v5. I thought Rito cared about the LC$.

Kitten of Evil7 votes

Just imagine if Quinn wasn't buggy as hell. She'd be so OP.

The Soulforged1 votes

I think she'd be just plain strong, not op.

trexmixG3 votes

obviously silver III knows how to balance better than proffesionals that balance for a living.

anyway, she has nerfs incoming so its beside the point.

Arveanor3 votes

So wait, everybody is wrong about nidalee, because they disagree with the balance team... but the balance team agrees with them? now that's confusing!

KaisadiIIa3 votes

Well, in 5 years they haven't been able to balance the game, so they may not be as good as you suppose.

trexmixG2 votes

what is balance? really?

some champs will always be at the top. thus is the nature of a game with 100+ champs.

KaisadiIIa1 votes

That's completely false... There is no champion I can recall being a the top every year, excepting Vi/Lee Sin/Zed: Kha'Zix was top s3 and still high-priority pick s4, now in s5 he sucks. Kassadin wasn't really played until the end of s3, then he became a stapler. Nobody cared about Nidalee until the end of s3, then they f*cked her up with a rework. And so on...

trexmixG1 votes

i didnt mean that there will be a champ that will always be on top, i meant there will always be some champs that are on the top. that is the basic idea of a meta.

DHKany2 votes

Better nerf Kassadin.

I feel like Riot right now are the embodiment of the slowpoke meme.

metaworldpeace102 votes

Ya gut Nidalee. She's not a fun champion to play against and she's surely not fair. I despise the fact that a champion like her can deal so much poke damage, all while being able to heal off any poke she gets hit with, all while being mobile enough to avoid any type of engagement. She's boring to watch in the LCS, she's frustrating to play against the minute you are not a lead. She can siege for days and you can't do anything about it.

RanmanReborn2 votes

With a Nidalee on the map, you're always in danger if you're 50% health or lower, whereas if she's in that position, she just hops into cougar form and hops, hops, hops away.

RoyaiChaos1 votes

75% isn't bad. I remember Yasuo and Kass being worse.

OhOkYea1 votes

Dont worry m8.. Soon her traps wont ge able to one shot penta kill anymore like they do now

Narog1 votes

Better nerf Kassidin and Veigar

Scramrail1 votes

They designed her passive to seemingly want to push Nid into landing a spear/trap then diving in and using her low cooldown no cost cougar abilities to fight enemies. They forgot to really nerf her retarded spear damage though, so most Nids will just stand back chucking spears chunking people for 30% of their hp constantly. Best case scenario she dives in to use her execute after landing a few spears from the other side of the planet.

Keep up the good work Rito.

DarthSpectrum1 votes

Well, that is the logical outcome from a champion with high damage, heals, and mobility. Nidalee was bad enough with ult-level damage on a max distance Q, but now her spears can turn invisible halfway through with the Headhunter skin.

It is understandable why people don't want to put up with invisible Nid Spears.

Greenheath1 votes

The thing that annoys me the most is that Nidalee is OP again. Like how many times are you going to tweak her, make her OP, then nerf her her, then tweak her again. So much time wasted trying to fix one champ while there's so many that need attention.

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

well, that's what happens when they give a champion a kit that is that overloaded.

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