"why is shaco being nerfed"

GULAG 4 U·Dec 13, 2016·1 votes·1,706 views

He has a pretty crazy winrate of 54% winrate. http://na.lolalytics.com/champion/Shaco/

I think it's clear why.

BUT, THIS DOESN'T MEAN I SUPPORT HOW RIOT IS TRYING TO FIX THE PROBLEM, K?

30 Comments

Live2LetDieDec 13, 20161 votes

that a crazy winrate? what lol

GULAG 4 UDec 13, 20162 votes

55% winrate is pretty high. Considering people believe yasuo's 50% too high.

MarshbouyDec 13, 20161 votes

Shac NorrisDec 13, 20163 votes

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55% winrate is pretty high. Considering people believe yasuo's 50% too high.

those who play Shaco are his mains.

A very small, yet loyal community. Look at his play rates compared to other 50% win rate champs.

GULAG 4 UDec 13, 20161 votes

The same about yasuo, yet everybody wants him nerfed.

Shac NorrisDec 16, 20161 votes

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The same about yasuo, yet everybody wants him nerfed.

Because he's the most obnoxious laning adversary that there is.

GULAG 4 UDec 16, 20161 votes

That doesn't justify a nerf for something subjective, and he's a joke compared to pantheon, urgot, heimerdinger or zyra

Shac NorrisDec 16, 20161 votes

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That doesn't justify a nerf for something subjective, and he's a joke compared to pantheon, urgot, heimerdinger or zyra

I was talking about Yasuo and not Shaco.

GULAG 4 UDec 16, 20161 votes

I know, and Yasuo isn't anywhere near as bad as pantheon, heimerdinger nor zyra.

PermabannedGarenDec 13, 20162 votes

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those who play Shaco are his mains.

A very small, yet loyal community. Look at his play rates compared to other 50% win rate champs.

Yasuo is also played largely by his mains.

His playerbase isn't as experienced as Shaco's on average, but the difference isn't particularly huge. Yasuo noobs (1-5 games) also perform worse than Shaco noobs, and those noobs make up nearly a fifth of Shaco's playerbase. They make up less than ten percent of Yasuo's.

Play rate doesn't mean anything.

GULAG 4 UDec 13, 20161 votes

His player base for mid is 126 games average. That is fucking huge.

Sona x RubickDec 17, 20161 votes

yasuo isn't played largely by his main

TequilaZombieDec 17, 20161 votes

those who play Shaco are his mains.

A very small, yet loyal community. Look at his play rates compared to other 50% win rate champs.

Those who played Shaco were his mains. He had an insanely high 55% of his playerbase over 125 games. Now that playerbase makes up for around 19% of the total, while his play rate is only about 0.5% higher.

I approve those nerfs. I want that loyalty-performance graph to go back to what it used to be, abysmall results up until 50+ games and then spiking up after that.

All we need now is some kind of compensation.

Genocide VictimDec 17, 20161 votes

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that a crazy winrate? what lol

It's not?What lol

Big LincolnDec 13, 20161 votes

the real problem here is that when they fixed his backstab thunderlord's issue this patch

they also let it apply spell effects. ie runic echoes. so he has a ton of shit to burst you with instantly.

esp if he buys item 1402 item 3145 -- he procs thunderlord's instantly if he backstabs, which is kind of counterintuitive if they wanted to raise burst times with the assassin update don't you think?

probably if they fixed this (again) it wouldn't be that big a deal

AmetDeCryptDec 13, 20161 votes

revolver stacks tld alongside other damage? if it does that sounds like a tld issue and not 100% shaco's fault.

Big LincolnDec 13, 20161 votes

yes, but I think the bigger issue is that his backstab applies spell effects -- namely Echoes. Since you're going to buy that first, it gives him a lot of extra burst that previously he'd need to use his E to use.

but since that's not the case because he can unload all of that damage on his first auto, he can save his E for the end of his combo when it's most effective.

AmetDeCryptDec 13, 20161 votes

smells like a buff to his lategame damage to me.

Meep ManDec 13, 20161 votes

There are still some people that think Twitch was balanced prior to this update. And even now he is still great.

LaughingStaplerDec 13, 20161 votes

Winrates don't mean shit unless it's for experienced players. Unfortunately, Shaco is godly for experienced players too.

WeatheredDec 13, 20161 votes

His AD build has a 40% winrate. People are pissed because if they nerf the AP build, suddenly wtf to Shaco players do.

WhaiiSoSeriousDec 16, 20161 votes

Ive never seen a soul complain about shaco lol.

This is a joke.

GULAG 4 UDec 16, 20161 votes

55% winrate doesn't tell huh

WhaiiSoSeriousDec 16, 20161 votes

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55% winrate doesn't tell huh

boohoo 55% win rate.

I have yet to see a shaco carry any game.

GULAG 4 UDec 16, 20161 votes

Just because you haven't seen a shaco carry it doesn't mean people aren't carrying on him. a 55% winrate is a good justification for a nerf, there's nothing else to say.

WhaiiSoSeriousDec 16, 20161 votes

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Just because you haven't seen a shaco carry it doesn't mean people aren't carrying on him. a 55% winrate is a good justification for a nerf, there's nothing else to say.

That doesn't mean shit. For all we know 10 people played shaco in bronze.

You're complete idiot if you think Shaco is OP.

GULAG 4 UDec 17, 20161 votes

Yes because plat+ players are also bronze trash and things that happen in bronze mean shit.

WhaiiSoSeriousDec 17, 20161 votes

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Yes because plat+ players are also bronze trash and things that happen in bronze mean shit.

You mean your opinion mean shit cause based on the past 5 years that ive been here, riot tends to the bronze players who complain about the dumbest and most irrelevant thingg being OP.

Now you can reply with some stupid shet but it will be pointless because time and time again has proven Riot listens to mostly the bronze players.

This is another example of a bronze level complaint. Again who the f complains about Shaco lol.. It's almost comical. It would be if it wasn't my main.

Shaco is the furthest thing from OP.

GULAG 4 UDec 17, 20161 votes

You're saying I'm making a bronze complaint when I'm talking about plat+ stats

You must be very stupid or unable to read

WhaiiSoSeriousDec 18, 20161 votes