Just helpful tips for beating Riven

Mira Arya Enthe··4 votes·709 views

For those who don't know the highest source of damage in Riven's kit is basic attacks, because her passive gives it a higher total damage than her Q or W. On top of that any worthwhile Riven is weaving AAs into every attack.

If your champion or playstyle is weak to Riven consider picking up Ninja Tabi as you will be nerfing her largest source of damage by 12% in addition to one of the most cost efficient and slot efficient sources of armor in the game, which also counters Riven especially with the current lethality build.

If you are a tank or juggernaut and their team also has other AA champions who are strong like ADCs, Yi, Olaf, etc. Try picking up a Thornmail as well, 100 armor is huge vs her lethality build and the reflected damage is just a nice minor addition to your DPS vs her.

Unless really fed Riven's only source of tankiness is her E and Lifesteal. Lifesteal is big for Riven as most of her damage again, is from basic attacks. Consider buying Grevious Wounds or taking ignite if your build can afford it.

Keep in mind if you are a squishy like an ADC you can buy GW still, it is never not useful. But more importantly remember that like anybody with engagement tools her effective engage range isn't the range of her abilities. Just as you must be careful of a flash taunt from Shen or Flash Q from Vi, be wary of her actual effective range with a Flash+E+W or Flash+Q3.

On Shyvana, Leona and Ashe I regularly stomp Riven through these simple pieces of knowledge, thought I would share it for others.

With regards, Dragon Lady.

25 Comments

xJLx MCHammer3 votes

Shyvana does not counter her

When you take Shyvana top, she will always be able to disengage a fight she can't win. She will end up winning past lvl 11.

Riven is faster than a Shyvana if Riven uses her Q's and dashes

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

You don't take Shyvana top. I play Shyvana, Leona and Ashe in their respective lanes. As these champions a fed Riven is never a threat to me because I know how to play around her.

Fishlord2 votes

lol. Try that on a 45% CDR Riven with Cleaver, Youmuus and Rank 7 Cancer.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

I have. And I am providing useful tips in how to play against a champion, not assuming everything is pointless and refusing to learn. For example, I hate Gangplank, but I learned how to play against him anyway. I don't just go and say "Waah waah no counterplay oranges. global triforce items look what their kit has GGRITO!"

EvilUnicornLord3 votes

Then you pick Poppy and hammer her into next week.

This may be an unfathomable concept for Riven mains, but there's a thing called "counter" and her's would be Poppy.

Automated Riven1 votes

While it is true that riven has hard matchups. The better the riven is the harder it is to actually counter her.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

So like any other champion?

Automated Riven1 votes

yeah. but what would be the point of circle jerks if you cant indulge them a little. other counters to riven would be pantheon and renekton.

EvilUnicornLord1 votes

True, but Poppy's kind of one of those counters where she demolishes Riven as long as she knows the very basics of Poppy. I've seen Poppy cut out of a game for 11 minutes and come back in to easily duel the fed Riven. She's just that hard of a counter.

Arcus Diabolus2 votes

Alrighty, allow me to dip in a bit. Incoming wall of text.

Riven is a combo fighter, as in, she needs both her abilities and her auto attacks to be effective. If the Riven is worth her salt, she will, as Mira said, be weaving her autos in between each ability to absolutely maximize her total damage output, as the damage from her passive is most of the damage you will be taking. As such, whenever possible, robbing her of her passive will greatly reduce her damage output and there are a few ways of doing that.

First off, her passive is a auto attack buff that consumes a charge to deal damage bonus damage. Her passive can store up to three stacks. Since her passive is based on her auto attacks, anything that can block, dodge or parry her autos will cause the charge to consume itself and do no damage. The other option is to blind her. This typically lasts longer than blocking, dodging or parrying, but will NOT consume her passive stacks. Once the blind is over, she will be able to hit you with her passive again like nothing happened. Blinding her, however, will give you a broad window of reduced damage to drop hell on Riven.

Second, her passive triggers only on ability casts. That said, simply stopping her from casting abilities in the first place is a greatly effective way of countering Riven's play-style. This is true for a few reasons actually. It makes her passive nearly nonexistent, it cuts out the damage from her other abilities, and all of the utility from CC to mobility goes by the wayside. The most obvious way of robbing Riven of her abilities is to silence her. This has been the reason Garen is so widely accepted as a counter for Riven.

But one thing that people don't seem to realize is Riven's greatest strength is also her greatest weakness. Her dashes. The very thing that annoys people the most about Riven is also the very thing you can exploit. Two of Riven's abilities are dashes, very short ones, but none the less dashes. Whats more, is one of those two has three casts to it, as it is the core ability to her kit. What makes this important is there are a lot of champs that have ways of punishing her dashes by the way of blocking dashes from occurring in the first place. Champions like Poppy and Cassio have abilities that block dashes, thus cutting a lot of Riven's kit out of the equation. Other characters, like Morg, Lux, Varus, Zyra and the new Xayah to name a few, can snare Riven. To Riven, snares are a pseudo silence. Where Poppy can stop her dashes from going very far, snares stop Riven from being able to cast her Q or E at all. From here, Riven's only two options are to use W and to pop ult, and so unless you are standing right next to her, you find that she is quite harmless. Even as a melee champ, you might take a W and empowered auto to the face, but unless she is oppressively fed, this won't do much damage at all on its own, so feel free to dump all kinds of damage on her, since she really can't fight back, run away or even defend herself at this point.

Also, please don't take slows against Riven, if you can help it. Riven, if given access to her dashes, will simply power through the slow.

Hope this helps!

-The fighting game fanatic Riven main

TL:DR; Blind, Silence or Snare Riven to remove the threat of her passive from the equation.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Wow, this is an amazing post. You should post it independently since this is a dead thread.

Arcus Diabolus1 votes

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Wow, this is an amazing post. You should post it independently since this is a dead thread.

Why thank you. Its just some of the things that I noticed that gives me the biggest headache while playing Riven and I figured it would be helpful, thats all.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Could I just ask a piece of advice. I am, by far, a Shyvana main. But I play Riven sometimes. How do you vs Malphite or Poppy on her?

Arcus Diabolus1 votes

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Could I just ask a piece of advice. I am, by far, a Shyvana main. But I play Riven sometimes. How do you vs Malphite or Poppy on her?

Poppy is a matter of positioning and timing. You don't want her to get a wall behind you to stun you off of, but that part goes without saying. The big threat to Riven is that "No dash" zone. As I mentioned in my post, if you are within that zone, you are basically pseudo silenced. What you want to do here is bait out the zone and punish after it fades. E dash or run toward her in a way that makes it look like you are planning on engaging her, even though you are plenty safe to just walk away even if she counter engages. If she pops it, by all means jump on her after its gone while still keeping clear of any walls behind you. If she does counter engage, she will use the no fun zone, so you need use your W to buy time until its up. Don't follow up with an auto here. Back off as far as you can and force her to follow you once the stun runs out, as every fraction of a second counts here. Once she catches up to you, feel free to consume your passive stack. Once the field does down, you make a split second judgement call if you can survive a trade with her or not. If you can, do it. Jump back on her and drop your full combo and do it fast. IF you can't, use your E and Qs to get a safe distance away and reset your cooldowns and heal, recall if you need to. Basically everything is based around Poppy's W. You just wanna bait it out the same way you'd bait out Garen's Q, and punish the same way.

As for Malphite, it depends on how he builds. If he is going for armor, build armor pen (der) and play hit and run until you have ult or you got him low enough to all in safely. If he's building AP, all in him as early as possible, as he naturally won't be as tanky. In both cases, you might want to force him to lose mana and CS. Pushing him under tower will probably help achieve both. You'll want to try to bait out his Q and do nothing more than block it with your E. If he's building AP, he's typically going for burst, so once his combo is gone, he won't be doing as much damage. That said, build hexdrinker asap. He'll hate you for for that. In fact, build as many AD/MR items as you can. If he ults, be quick and counter with E to block as much damage as possible and just go to town on him, since now the chips are down at this point. Once you get him low enough, try testing the waters and try slowly backing away from him while still attacking him. If he follows, try to cheese a backwards 3rd Q. If he walks away, remind him you have an execute.

I'm not sure how much help this would be, tbh. I'm not the best at Riven, so your question to me was more along the lines of how I would play and probably not what the best way is. I'm also trying to recall information I haven't used in a while whilst being groggy and tired. Still, hope this helps, if even only a little.

PhDs Nuts1 votes

Same goes for Renekton. Get Tabi early and trades are much more favorable.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

Tabi are great in general, I take them about 60-70% of my Shyvana games.

LyingOnLine1 votes

Tabi are nice, but nobody should ever rush them.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

100% you should rush them vs Riven/Yasuo/Trynd/Quinn/Jayce if you are a Juggernaut, Tank, Late farming champion or Fighter who can afford the damage spike coming later in exchange for safe farming. Aside from that every buys boots as 2nd-3rd item, so getting them early is still fine.

EvilUnicornLord1 votes

I wind up having enough armor in my build in the first place and prefer to go for Merc's to suffice for enough magic resist. Of course, I haven't adjusted my build since Gargoyle Stoneplate so I'm gonna need to do that.

Arcus Diabolus1 votes

Now that I got that outta my system, if I may ask, where did this thread come from? Riven has not received a lot of hate recently, so this thread seemed to come out of nowhere.

Mira Arya Enthe4 votes

Just sharing, because Sharing is Caring.

Arcus Diabolus1 votes

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Just sharing, because Sharing is Caring.

Alrighty then. I suppose its better to talk about this stuff now than after the masses bring out the pitchforks and torches.

I'll pitch in every now and then when something comes to mind.

Linna Excel1 votes

What about trying to call in your jungler to camp top?

If the other guys are at all competent, chances are the enemy jungler is going to try and snowball their riven so yours should be trying to take a dump on her.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

I AM the jungler

http://i.imgur.com/RYsc4h7.png

:3

Linna Excel1 votes

Well then gank riven more man! :P

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