win 10 lp loss 18 lp, why?

MuteAllFromStart·May 13, 2019·2 votes·3,002 views

Hello When I win a ranked game I get 10 lp, when I lose I lose 18 <- why is this?

29 Comments

JonesybonesMay 13, 20192 votes

your mmr is realllly bad. is why

MuteAllFromStartMay 13, 20191 votes

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your mmr is realllly bad. is why

Yeah, previously you could see your mmr, is there a way to see it now?

cars3nMay 13, 20191 votes

Because the game thinks you belong in a lower elo so it tries to put you there

MuteAllFromStartMay 13, 20191 votes

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Because the game thinks you belong in a lower elo so it tries to put you there

Hello and thanks for the answer. It doesnt make sense to me though, last season I was gold 1 <- Im currently silver 1 and get really bad match-making. Okey, so I just keep loosing and be happy about it?

Polaris IMay 13, 20191 votes

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Hello and thanks for the answer. It doesnt make sense to me though, last season I was gold 1 <- Im currently silver 1 and get really bad match-making. Okey, so I just keep loosing and be happy about it?

Riot said they were looking into matchmaking a couple weeks ago and fixing it because of the positional rank several months after they removed it

MuteAllFromStartMay 13, 20191 votes

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Riot said they were looking into matchmaking a couple weeks ago and fixing it because of the positional rank several months after they removed it

huh I dont understand what you are talking about.

Polaris IMay 13, 20191 votes

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huh I dont understand what you are talking about.

Oh your EUW only Korea and na had it. Maybe matchmaking just is bad and there aren’t enough players anymore

MuteAllFromStartMay 13, 20191 votes

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Oh your EUW only Korea and na had it. Maybe matchmaking just is bad and there aren’t enough players anymore

well EUW have horrible matchmaking. <- 3 lanes lose every game.

Kai GuyMay 13, 20191 votes

Want to chime in for clarity. LP just shifts towards MMR values. The system does not care remotely if you start to climb or sink and makes no effort to put you anywhere. Its Reactive not Proactive. It just reacts to the results its given.

I am making a lot of effort to explain MMR to players and part of that is making shure things are explained clearly. It wont "Put" you anywhere by its on intent. It reacts to the results of a game and moves values around that result. Trying to force a position on accounts defeats the point of using a self correcting system.

I know its odds are its not your intent for your statement to be read that way but there's enough players who still believe in "Forced 50%" around that will take it out of context to support their incorrect understandings.

Lucian WaifuMay 13, 20191 votes

You currently have a 47% win rate and do not belong as highly ranked as you are now, no matter what rank you were last season. Until you improve your win rate and get on a win streak you will be losing more lp than you are gaining.

MuteAllFromStartMay 13, 20191 votes

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You currently have a 47% win rate and do not belong as highly ranked as you are now, no matter what rank you were last season. Until you improve your win rate and get on a win streak you will be losing more lp than you are gaining.

Okey but then Im doomed forever then <- Cause tank/support playes dont get as much "MMR" as mid/adc players(?) I was 70% last season.

And I disagre and in fact Im going to call you a liar here. I have seen pro players who were high rank the season before <- Really BOMB and get really bad promotion series and still end up like plat 5 to diamond 5 <- I was gold 1 last season and got placed in silver 4 <-

So Im a gold 1 support player trying to support silver adcs, for that I have a 47% winratio <- Because of this I will drop and drop and drop until what? whats my "real division" ? <-

Lucian WaifuMay 13, 20191 votes

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Okey but then Im doomed forever then <- Cause tank/support playes dont get as much "MMR" as mid/adc players(?) I was 70% last season.

And I disagre and in fact Im going to call you a liar here. I have seen pro players who were high rank the season before <- Really BOMB and get really bad promotion series and still end up like plat 5 to diamond 5 <- I was gold 1 last season and got placed in silver 4 <-

So Im a gold 1 support player trying to support silver adcs, for that I have a 47% winratio <- Because of this I will drop and drop and drop until what? whats my "real division" ? <-

There absolutely no reason to ever think a certain role gets less MMR than any other role... Your record dictates your MMR, and your record isn't good on top of having a long, current losing streak. And don't you dare call me a liar when you are using logical fallacies to prove your feelings, just because some pro players drop in rankings from one season to another means nothing, that's confirmation bias. You proved what I said before when you said those FEW pro players bombed their promos, which means they got bad win rates, which means they got ranked lower after their soft reset and weren't able to recover. Also you claimed you had a 70% win rate, which is an actual lie on top of your G1 ranking, it was actually G5 at 23 LP. Here is the link proving what I am talking about. https://euw.op.gg/summoner/champions/userName=MuteAllFromStart Your actual win percentage was 60% and you only played 15 games so you obviously rode that win streak you had early to get to Gold then stopped. That's why you climbed last season, would also explain the S4 soft reset you got and explain why you are at S1 now. You are right where you are suppose to be, don't call me a liar again when you don't like the answer....

MuteAllFromStartMay 13, 20191 votes

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There absolutely no reason to ever think a certain role gets less MMR than any other role... Your record dictates your MMR, and your record isn't good on top of having a long, current losing streak. And don't you dare call me a liar when you are using logical fallacies to prove your feelings, just because some pro players drop in rankings from one season to another means nothing, that's confirmation bias. You proved what I said before when you said those FEW pro players bombed their promos, which means they got bad win rates, which means they got ranked lower after their soft reset and weren't able to recover. Also you claimed you had a 70% win rate, which is an actual lie on top of your G1 ranking, it was actually G5 at 23 LP. Here is the link proving what I am talking about. https://euw.op.gg/summoner/champions/userName=MuteAllFromStart Your actual win percentage was 60% and you only played 15 games so you obviously rode that win streak you had early to get to Gold then stopped. That would also explain the S4 soft reset you got and explain why you are at S1 now. You are right where you are suppose to be, don't call me a liar again when you don't like the answer....

Okey so what you are saying and please correct me if I got this wrong: That MMR is only determined by how much I win, my win ratio...not how i perform ingame <- ?

"Your record dictates your MMR, and your record isn't good on top of having a long, current losing streak" <- Yes I know... gonna bring up my losing streak in every comment you make? :)

Also, why downvote my comment?

"And don't you dare call me a liar when you are using logical fallacies to prove your feelings," <- What felings am I proving? what? I did call you a liar and I pointed as to where and why I did call you one. For you to bring feelings in to it is just strange and weird. Can you please try to stay on topic?

" just because some pro players drop in rankings from one season to another means nothing," <- This is not what I said nor what I ment, read what I wrote again... if you still think this is what I said let me know and I explain it again. <- Its a missunderstanding on your part here.

"that's confirmation bias. " <- No this is also wrong. ANd rather then trying to label my behavior and what I do... why not answer my questions and comment on my points? I also took a year of psycology and I can also sit here and expain every heartbeat, thought and bodily fluid in your body... but that doesnt help this conversation. <- So why do you do it? <- and please answer this quesiton.

"You proved what I said before when you said those FEW pro players bombed their promos, which means they got bad win rates, which means they got ranked lower after their soft reset and weren't able to recover." No this is not at all what I proved nor what I ment. Again: Re-read what I wrote and if you dont get it allow me to explain.

"Also you claimed you had a 70% win rate, which is an actual lie on top of your G1 ranking, it was actually G5 at 23 LP. " No and you lie here... Also dont call the truth a lie. <- Its like you trying to provoke me for no good reason... and thing is that you are not even close to being as smart as I am so dont call me a liar about things that you have no clue about. In this case you dont have all the info and therefor you are limited... with these limitaitons you should not call anyone a liar, you should request more information <- Here is where you went wrong. Your missunderstanding again, not mine.

So yes, I will continue to call you a liar cause you made fundamental and elementary misstakes that could have been avoided if you only did read what I wrote, took time trying to understand it and asked open quesitons about the things you didnt get <- Its very easy when you know how to communicate... You know, rhetoric.

Lucian WaifuMay 13, 20191 votes

Then delete your post since you don't want to listen to people telling you the truth. The only liar here is you, you lied about your win rate, you lied about your previous rank, you then accuse others of lying because they tell you what you don't want to hear, then when they treat you like the child/teenager you act like you then double down on you being right when you know nothing. You made a post just to disagree with others because you already have made an answer in your mind that is completely wrong but you want to believe because it makes you feel better, proving everything I have said...............

And claiming I don't have all the info, I literally looked up your op.gg record and linked it, it shows you having a record of 9-6 for season 8 solo queue and a rank of G5 23 LP.................. Maybe you should link your last season record and ranking since you are bound and determined to try and prove me wrong and are desperate to call me the liar. You have yet to give any provable information, just saying that we should take your word for it while I have actually linked info and I can link more telling how your win rate does affect your MMR like I and others have said multiple times........................

MuteAllFromStartMay 13, 20191 votes

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Then delete your post since you don't want to listen to people telling you the truth. The only liar here is you, you lied about your win rate, you lied about your previous rank, you then accuse others of lying because they tell you what you don't want to hear, then when they treat you like the child/teenager you act like you then double down on you being right when you know nothing. You made a post just to disagree with others because you already have made an answer in your mind that is completely wrong but you want to believe because it makes you feel better, proving everything I have said...............

And claiming I don't have all the info, I literally looked up your op.gg record and linked it, it shows you having a record of 9-6 for season 8 solo queue and a rank of G5 23 LP.................. Maybe you should link your last season record and ranking since you are bound and determined to try and prove me wrong and are desperate to call me the liar. You have yet to give any provable information, just saying that we should take your word for it while I have actually linked info and I can link more telling how your win rate does affect your MMR like I and others have said multiple times........................

Nowhere did I say I dont want to listne to peopel telling the truth <- Where did you get this from? You dont see me sit here and tell you to do stuff because stuff you dont want to do or dont believe <- So why do this towards me?

No Im sorry, you did lie, I didnt... <- I did explain this to you and you ignored this part. Go back and read my comment, its all in there... together with "please stay on topic" <-

"you then accuse others of lying because they tell you what you don't want to hear" <- but this is not true.. if you read my friend here down under ..Malix Farwin, he tells you that: I know people with worse win rates but much higher lp gains, dont think its that man. <- So its not just me... it others that expeirence this too... so for you to sit here and say things that are not true is not okey. <- Try to be more friendly and cooperative, thank you.

"then when they treat you like the child/teenager you act like you then double down on you being right when you know nothing." <- Okey this looks more like personal attacks so Im going to report your comment... and done talking to you here. You were wrong and could not accept it or talk to me.

Lucian WaifuMay 13, 20191 votes

Funny how you have to say something for it to be the truth. Your actions speak far louder than your words and it's blatantly obvious you don't want to listen to people who tell you what you don't want to hear......................

You have yet to prove I lied about anything when I linked proof through op.gg that I was telling the truth and you were lying..............

Do I need to link the three, now four comments you have made claiming others are lying when they are telling you the truth about your MMR and how your win rate and bad playing has made it where you lose much more LP than you win???...................................

Calling you a child/teenager is hardly a personal attack. It's just another observation of how you act. It would only be a personal attack if I then followed up by saying how that invalidates your opinion...........................................

MuteAllFromStartMay 13, 20191 votes

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Funny how you have to say something for it to be the truth. Your actions speak far louder than your words and it's blatantly obvious you don't want to listen to people who tell you what you don't want to hear......................

You have yet to prove I lied about anything when I linked proof through op.gg that I was telling the truth and you were lying..............

Do I need to link the three, now four comments you have made claiming others are lying when they are telling you the truth about your MMR and how your win rate and bad playing has made it where you lose much more LP than you win???...................................

Calling you a child/teenager is hardly a personal attack. It's just another observation of how you act. It would only be a personal attack if I then followed up by saying how that invalidates your opinion...........................................

I ask of you to stay on topic.. if you cant hten please dont post here <- we are talking about the "MMR" system here and not personal attacks against me <-

MuteAllFromStartMay 13, 20191 votes

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Funny how you have to say something for it to be the truth. Your actions speak far louder than your words and it's blatantly obvious you don't want to listen to people who tell you what you don't want to hear......................

You have yet to prove I lied about anything when I linked proof through op.gg that I was telling the truth and you were lying..............

Do I need to link the three, now four comments you have made claiming others are lying when they are telling you the truth about your MMR and how your win rate and bad playing has made it where you lose much more LP than you win???...................................

Calling you a child/teenager is hardly a personal attack. It's just another observation of how you act. It would only be a personal attack if I then followed up by saying how that invalidates your opinion...........................................

Rather then inslut me and go to perosnal attacks against me, where is that information about MR being related to record and not ingame performance?

Lucian WaifuMay 15, 20191 votes

Again, it isn't personal attacks when you clearly don't know what you are talking about then claim I am lying when I am saying what everyone else is saying and how it has always been in league for ranked. On top of lying about your previous win percentage and previous rank I have every right to call you what I have and it be true. You can't claim it's a personal attack to make you feel better instead of facing the fact that what I have said about you is true. I don't want to be a parent but I am also not going to be told I am a liar after you specifically asked a question and then disrespected the answer and the people giving that answer.

Low win rate means low LP until you achieve the rank you are playing at right now. Your rank last season means very little to this season other than helping place you for the soft reset at the beginning of the season. Your win rate contributes to lower LP, also duoing with someone significantly lower rank than you also lowers your LP gains for wins because it makes the game easier by playing lesser opponents. This is what thousands if not millions of players know because that is how League has done LP gains in ranked for years. ~~Having a 47% win rate~~ now 46% will not giving you more LP for win compared to LP lost from losses. You've haven't screwed yourself from climbing, but have made it extremely hard without going on a long win streak. It also means you don't deserve you previous rank of ~~Gold 1~~ actually Gold 5 which is what it was last season until you can win more than you lose because that shows you understand the game well enough to climb even when you get bad teammates.

MuteAllFromStartMay 16, 20191 votes

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Again, it isn't personal attacks when you clearly don't know what you are talking about then claim I am lying when I am saying what everyone else is saying and how it has always been in league for ranked. On top of lying about your previous win percentage and previous rank I have every right to call you what I have and it be true. You can't claim it's a personal attack to make you feel better instead of facing the fact that what I have said about you is true. I don't want to be a parent but I am also not going to be told I am a liar after you specifically asked a question and then disrespected the answer and the people giving that answer.

Low win rate means low LP until you achieve the rank you are playing at right now. Your rank last season means very little to this season other than helping place you for the soft reset at the beginning of the season. Your win rate contributes to lower LP, also duoing with someone significantly lower rank than you also lowers your LP gains for wins because it makes the game easier by playing lesser opponents. This is what thousands if not millions of players know because that is how League has done LP gains in ranked for years. ~~Having a 47% win rate~~ now 46% will not giving you more LP for win compared to LP lost from losses. You've haven't screwed yourself from climbing, but have made it extremely hard without going on a long win streak. It also means you don't deserve you previous rank of ~~Gold 1~~ actually Gold 5 which is what it was last season until you can win more than you lose because that shows you understand the game well enough to climb even when you get bad teammates.

Im sorry but I believe you are offtopic. I also believe you are dead wrong. It is a perosnal attack when you bring me as a person in to it. The thread is about: Why do I get x amount of points... Its about me as a player, not me as a person. To talk about me as a person , how I act, what I do, how I think, how I feel etc etc etc <- Thse are personal attacks. I have not requested it and I believe its also goes against summoners code and the rules of these forums. This is the definition given by yourdictionary: personal-attack. Noun. (plural personal attacks) Making of an abusive remark on or relating to one's person instead of providing evidence when examining another person's claims or comments. <- This is just what happen and we dont have to lie about it. It is what it is, call a shovle a shovle and not a rake and we are all good.

I did challenge that low win rate low lp <- Noone brought up any evidence, only their own feelings. Facts: I have about the same winratio as before but now i get 20lp <- that is twice as much as before, in the same league with the same win-ratio... so someone here is not telling the truth or speaking without facts <- ... Something is not 100% correrct here.

Also, I would like it if you only use facts and no feelings or personal attacks, no guesses nor assumpions. I need facts and only facts <- thank you for your cooperation.

MuteAllFromStartMay 16, 20191 votes

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Again, it isn't personal attacks when you clearly don't know what you are talking about then claim I am lying when I am saying what everyone else is saying and how it has always been in league for ranked. On top of lying about your previous win percentage and previous rank I have every right to call you what I have and it be true. You can't claim it's a personal attack to make you feel better instead of facing the fact that what I have said about you is true. I don't want to be a parent but I am also not going to be told I am a liar after you specifically asked a question and then disrespected the answer and the people giving that answer.

Low win rate means low LP until you achieve the rank you are playing at right now. Your rank last season means very little to this season other than helping place you for the soft reset at the beginning of the season. Your win rate contributes to lower LP, also duoing with someone significantly lower rank than you also lowers your LP gains for wins because it makes the game easier by playing lesser opponents. This is what thousands if not millions of players know because that is how League has done LP gains in ranked for years. ~~Having a 47% win rate~~ now 46% will not giving you more LP for win compared to LP lost from losses. You've haven't screwed yourself from climbing, but have made it extremely hard without going on a long win streak. It also means you don't deserve you previous rank of ~~Gold 1~~ actually Gold 5 which is what it was last season until you can win more than you lose because that shows you understand the game well enough to climb even when you get bad teammates.

Also, Im 48% winratio now, got 22LP and currently 23-0 with Kennen in ranked overall. <- I was about to lose that game cause support wanted to play yuumi, but thankfully enemy team picked yuumi before we did, so rather easy win. QUADRAKILL! <- I got 2 "Gj kennen" from my team.. that almost never happen.. that they say "good job" , I do a quadra every now and then.

Malix FarwinMay 13, 20191 votes

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You currently have a 47% win rate and do not belong as highly ranked as you are now, no matter what rank you were last season. Until you improve your win rate and get on a win streak you will be losing more lp than you are gaining.

I know people with worse win rates but much higher lp gains, dont think its that man.

Lucian WaifuMay 13, 20191 votes

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I know people with worse win rates but much higher lp gains, dont think its that man.

Maybe it's because this guy is manipulative and calls others liars when they give links proving op is lying.

In all seriousness, he shouldn't be gaining this low of an amount since He has only played 102 games, yes his MMR is quite low because of the 47% win rate but something is wrong because you gain more LP through your first 100 games and it doesn't drop off that fast after 100 along with a 47% win rate is bad but not nearly terrible enough to only gain 10 but lose 18.

Kai GuyMay 13, 20191 votes

48W 54L . Recently string of losses as well. MMR is like a balance, it goes up and down off wins and loses. Currently your net is majority losses your balance is lower.

I don't quite know how riot builds their Tiers. Two easy ways are a Static MMR range or having it be off Player %s. Static seems most fair and simple to me so that's my go to assumption. Its not hard to make all Tiers represent an expected MMR range for players when accurate.

So in that system for LP calculation you would have players receive lower LP values if they are below the MMR range. That way the MMR and LP gap closes if they maintain positive win rates, MMR being a value that moves higher then LP . Even if K lowers to a point that your MMR gains are about the same as LP because of a Static Range, the smaller gains result in being on the lower end once you promote and youd see slightly slanted LP gains at the low end then high end of a Division. Assuming a consistently positive win rate.

K Is a variable used by Arpad Elo in his adjustment formula for Player Rating. The best way to describe it is uncertainty. High uncertainty = higher MMR gains and losses per match. That way badly placed accounts move out of the wrong MMR range more rapidly. The 2 things that tend to lower K are ladder position and Experience. Higher up you go the lower it tends to be, protects player ratings and also ensure no one climbs to far off just luck. Experience is # of games played that are tracked... in Leauge that's all of them for a Que. Riot gets to pick how many # and what the Reduction of value looks like so I have no details for you. Just need to know that at some point your individual games are likely worth less rating then your early games.

MuteAllFromStartMay 13, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kai Guy,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=662NJQmK,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-05-13T19:48:45.917+0000)

48W 54L . Recently string of losses as well. MMR is like a balance, it goes up and down off wins and loses. Currently your net is majority losses your balance is lower.

I don't quite know how riot builds their Tiers. Two easy ways are a Static MMR range or having it be off Player %s. Static seems most fair and simple to me so that's my go to assumption. Its not hard to make all Tiers represent an expected MMR range for players when accurate.

So in that system for LP calculation you would have players receive lower LP values if they are below the MMR range. That way the MMR and LP gap closes if they maintain positive win rates, MMR being a value that moves higher then LP . Even if K lowers to a point that your MMR gains are about the same as LP because of a Static Range, the smaller gains result in being on the lower end once you promote and youd see slightly slanted LP gains at the low end then high end of a Division. Assuming a consistently positive win rate.

K Is a variable used by Arpad Elo in his adjustment formula for Player Rating. The best way to describe it is uncertainty. High uncertainty = higher MMR gains and losses per match. That way badly placed accounts move out of the wrong MMR range more rapidly. The 2 things that tend to lower K are ladder position and Experience. Higher up you go the lower it tends to be, protects player ratings and also ensure no one climbs to far off just luck. Experience is # of games played that are tracked... in Leauge that's all of them for a Que. Riot gets to pick how many # and what the Reduction of value looks like so I have no details for you. Just need to know that at some point your individual games are likely worth less rating then your early games.

Yes this is very true... I would make a "help me with my loss streak" but last time I did that I got permanently banned from these fromus for "promotion of 3rd party service" <- aint going to do that again.

I disagree, I had 70% winratio and were gold 1 last season... I still got to play with gold 5-2 players <-

What you seams to be telling me is that: If you win, higher chance of winning next time. If you lose: higher chance of losing the next game <- Its a snowball effect...

And this somewhat makes sense as to me having 70% last season and 47% now <- I did not change my skillevel what so ever... so in reality I should be ~gold 1 <- But Im not and will never be able to reach this again due to this loss-streak... Since you cant carry games from support/tank playstyle. Fact: I landed every single hook as thresh one game and we still lost all lanes <-

Kai GuyMay 13, 20191 votes

What you seams to be telling me is that: If you win, higher chance of winning next time. If you lose: higher chance of losing the nexte game <- Its a snowball effect...

Not quite. The expectation is if your above your assigned Range your going to win more then you lose because your undervalued by the system. Not because anything in place provides you with extra rewards. Same assumption works backwards and if your overvalued your expected to sink. System itself wont force it all its doing is adjustments directly from your results. It does not remotely care which direction an account moves in, or if that trend changes ever.

Skill is honestly expected to change because the game is built around Imbalance as a core concept. The constantly shifting meta will have negative impacts on player "skill". The entire Tiers are kinda up in the air for any actual value right now. Past seasons are not gonna represent it well.

Remember how I mentioned the easy way is to make each Division and Tier represent a Range of MMR? Look to last season. B5 to Challenger. Each possible Title you can have? like im b2, g5, d3 etc. 27 possible options.5 in bronze to diamond then Masters and Challenger. so 5+5+5+5+5+1+1. Currently new tiers. 1 less division. but the total number of titles? still 27. 4+4+4+4+4+4+1+1+1. Assuming they all still represent a range its pretty clear the old tiers are not accurate. Everything looks like it shifts downwards, how dramatically is going to be off if Iron 4 represents bronze 5 and under range or not and if riot adjusted their MMR Range values per Tier. They don't exactly have to be uniform either long as they don't create a range between the tiers above and bellow from being unwinnable assuming accuracy in a Nominal or Logistical distribution model. Of the two , I can only explain some basics for Nominal distribution assumptions like what the % between units of C would look like. C is 200 Elo rating points and is used with Normal distribution assumptions to generate expected results for win %. Im still struggling with understanding a lot of the math behind it. Most the Formulas you see are aberrated and represent other formulas. Like Elos Adjustment of Rn=Ro+K(W-We) is a massive amount more forumulas and math behind it. Im still learning more about Normal distribution... most folks use Logistical these days because we have better computational tools.

Again that's just guesswork as how riot builds their tiers is a mystery and when dealing with arbitrarily assigned values if you don't have them provided its difficult to be accurate. This to my understanding is the easy way and would

AR URFMay 13, 20191 votes

I can think of two reasons. Last season you played with a buddy and this season you're going solo?

Last season I got to gold 5, but then dropped to silver 1 because my buddy was like "help me get to gold" Problem is he was one of those feeder type players. You know the ones that ALWAYS make bad shot calling.

MuteAllFromStartMay 13, 20191 votes

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I can think of two reasons. Last season you played with a buddy and this season you're going solo?

Last season I got to gold 5, but then dropped to silver 1 because my buddy was like "help me get to gold" Problem is he was one of those feeder type players. You know the ones that ALWAYS make bad shot calling.

No mostly solo.. but I might have made a misstake.. might have been another account... need to look in to that deeper. Still ... Im just as good as when I played gold 1.

MuteAllFromStartMay 13, 20191 votes

Hmm... I won lane twice now but lost both games... so guess I was right about this downwards spiral or snowball effect I was talking about... but still waiting for that source to Record being related to MMR