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Full recording between NB3 and nubrac League of Legends

MuteAllFromStart··4 votes·2,977 views

Open for discussion. I personally think nubrac is correct here, he did follow the rules and I dont believe NB3 did.

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AeroWaffle5 votes

According to Riot, the decision to punish Nubrac was not based on a single game but several games/reports and an investigation. So you can't really claim that he was innocent based on a single game and claim that you know why he was banned.

MuteAllFromStart2 votes

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According to Riot, the decision to punish Nubrac was not based on a single game but several games/reports and an investigation. So you can't really claim that he was innocent based on a single game and claim that you are fully aware of why he was banned.

Nowhere did anyone make the claim that nubrac is innocent. I personally think he is correct in this video that I posted. ~27:00 he talks about how rioter wookiecookie told him that what he was doing was okey.

Nor did I make the claim that Im fully aware of anything.

AeroWaffle7 votes

At ~27 min Nubrac claims that he was not breaking any rules. Wookieecookie didn't say it was okay. You can't ignore all the stuff after the "However" in the Wookieecookie post.

MuteAllFromStart2 votes

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At ~27 min Nubrac claims that he was not breaking any rules. Wookieecookie didn't say it was okay. You can't ignore all the stuff after the "However" in the Wookieecookie post.

I have not done that as I have not read what wookiecookie posted. But again: Nowhere did anyone make the claim that nubrac is innocent. I personally think he is correct in this video that I posted.

Nor did I make the claim that Im fully aware of anything.

If you cant find what you looking for at 27 min, try 25 min. Im listening to it right now and its in that area where he talks about it being totally fine, its okey by the rules and they he have been investigated for a long time and so far he had not broken the rules NB3 claims he broke.

The "refusing to communicate" argument NB3 puts out is also rather strange... Read my name, I dont communicate with my team and when I do I get banned for it <-

AeroWaffle4 votes

At 25 min in Nubrac misquotes WookieeCookie's ban explanation and instead just says his own reason why he thinks he was banned.

MuteAllFromStart2 votes

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At 25 min in Nubrac misquotes WookieeCookie's ban explanation and instead just says his own reason why he thinks he was banned.

So why isn't NB3 calling him out on it? What is the misquote?

Also thanks for understanding that noone made any of the claims you said.

AeroWaffle3 votes

What is the misquote?

At 25:35

MuteAllFromStart2 votes

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At 25:35

Yes, but what is it? NB3 have a habit of talking when Nubrac is talking... also Im going to bed now, its Europe time here you know.

AeroWaffle3 votes

No, I already went half-way with you by going to your timestamps that you gave (and I even gave you a more accurate timeframe to start at). I'm not going to make subtitles for you when it's pretty easy to discern what Nubrac is saying at that timestamp.

MuteAllFromStart2 votes

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No, I already went half-way with you by going to your timestamps that you gave (and I even gave you a more accurate timeframe to start at). I'm not going to make subtitles for you when it's pretty easy to discern what Nubrac is saying at that timestamp.

Well guess the discussion wont know what you mean by "misquote" then. I dont see how it is going half way ... but sure.

MuteAllFromStart2 votes

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At ~27 min Nubrac claims that he was not breaking any rules. Wookieecookie didn't say it was okay. You can't ignore all the stuff after the "However" in the Wookieecookie post.

Not breaking the rules means it is okey btw. <- Just like in real life.

AeroWaffle4 votes

The honor system is not a valid method of proving someone's innocence. Claiming that you were not breaking the rules is not a strong defense.

Just like in real life.

MuteAllFromStart2 votes

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The honor system is not a valid method of proving someone's innocence. Claiming that you were not breaking the rules is not a strong defense.

Noone makes this claim: The honor system is not a valid method of proving someone's innocence. <-

Also noone said this: Claiming that you were not breaking the rules is not a strong defense. <-

Can we please stick to what people actually said and what actually happen rather then just .. idk what is going on to be honest. Its like I have been hacked and have posted stuff Im not even aware that I posted.

AeroWaffle4 votes

If no one is making the claim, then you bringing up

"Not breaking the rules means it is okey btw. <- Just like in real life."

Is completely irrelevant. Why are you spouting random facts irrelevant to the discussion?

MuteAllFromStart2 votes

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If no one is making the claim, then you bringing up

"Not breaking the rules means it is okey btw. <- Just like in real life."

Is completely irrelevant. Why are you spouting random facts irrelevant to the discussion?

No its not irrelevant, its a response to what you said here:

At ~27 min Nubrac claims that he was not breaking any rules. Wookieecookie didn't say it was okay. You can't ignore all the stuff after the "However" in the Wookieecookie post.

AeroWaffle3 votes

But if it's not in reference to Nubrac's situation, then it applies to none of my post.

So it's irrelevant. Why did you make a reply that doesn't reply to any of my post?

MuteAllFromStart2 votes

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But if it's not in reference to Nubrac's situation, then it applies to none of my post.

So it's irrelevant. Why did you make a reply that doesn't reply to any of my post?

I did reply to your post, every post I believe. https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/f/ZGEFLEUQ/d/Mye6836K?comment=0000000000000001 Well, if it not regarding the Nubrac sitaution then you are the one to blame there buddy, cause Im only responding to you... explaining that noone made the claims you think that are there.

AeroWaffle2 votes

Replying to a post doesn't make the reply relevant. Some people are just looking to troll the boards it seems.

MuteAllFromStart2 votes

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Replying to a post doesn't make the reply relevant. Some people are just looking to troll the boards it seems.

Okey, what post do you believe you need a better replay on? Im sorry that my answers cant live up to your expectations.

AeroWaffle3 votes

For what purpose are you bringing up this;

"Not breaking the rules means it is okey btw. <- Just like in real life."

Claiming that one is not breaking the rules is not the same as "not breaking the rules". One is a claim, the other is a statement of fact. So it doesn't apply to this part of my post:

"At ~27 min Nubrac claims that he was not breaking any rules."

It doesn't make any sense at all for it to be a reply to either of these sentences,

"Wookieecookie didn't say it was okay. You can't ignore all the stuff after the "However" in the Wookieecookie post."

Because both of those reference Wookieecookies explanation of why Nubrac was banned. So the direct opposite of someone saying that no rules were broken. Wookieecookie is explaining how rules were broken.

Edit: Nevermind, you don't need to answer. I'm convinced that you're just jerking me around since you've spent so long talking about "I didn't make that claim" only to make the claim later on.

MuteAllFromStart1 votes

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For what purpose are you bringing up this;

"Not breaking the rules means it is okey btw. <- Just like in real life."

People view things differently and I have had people make the most strange claims. So Im trying to be real clear... Like IF you are not breaking any rules then you are okey. If something isnt a crime, you are allowed to do it basically. Not all people reason like this.

Claiming that one is not breaking the rules is not the same as "not breaking the rules". One is a claim, the other is a statement of fact. So it doesn't apply to this part of my post:

Sure, but it can still apply hence the "btw" <-

"At ~27 min Nubrac claims that he was not breaking any rules."

sure

It doesn't make any sense at all for it to be a reply to either of these sentences,

Well, what makes sense to me maybe doesnt make sense to you, we have different brains that function slightly differnernt. Wit hthe background I have with people missunderstanding and having very strange thoughts its better to be clear then blurry.

"Wookieecookie didn't say it was okay. You can't ignore all the stuff after the "However" in the Wookieecookie post."

Because both of those reference Wookieecookies explanation of why Nubrac was banned. So the direct opposite of someone saying that no rules were broken. Wookieecookie is explaining how rules were broken.

Why would a ritoer give someone an okey or so? I dont get that part. Either its allowed or its okey... I dont think there is an "okey" Needed here and it would also be filler-text.

Edit: Nevermind, you don't need to answer. I'm convinced that you're just jerking me around since you've spent so long talking about "I didn't make that claim" only to make the claim later on.

I get this a lot. The EUW next to my name means Im from Europe, I have dyslexia and English is not my main language. Maybe there is a language barrier here? That's rather the first and obvious one... for you to jump to that Im "jerking you areound" and that you are Wconvinced" of it... Im sad to inform you that it tells a lot about you. That you judge people in a very negative way when the reality is "Misunderstanding" <- I hope you never get in a position where your judgement affects others... Because that kind of thinking can be real harmful to the one being targeted and yourself.

AeroWaffle4 votes

Making a new reply to this since you've decided to backpedal in the thread:

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I dont believe that is true at all as he done this strategy about 100 times before and had 5 viewers <- this suggest he doesnt do it for the attention and also he is getting good data from what he did.

** I dont think the ban is justified at all...** but I also dont think you should be banned for saying "Morgana" or explaning how to "zone" . I agree taht NB3 seams toxic and not like a very good person from this videoclip.

I guess you ARE making the claim that nubrac is innocent.

What the hell was the point of claiming that you weren't making the claim?

MuteAllFromStart1 votes

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Making a new reply to this since you've decided to backpedal in the thread:

I guess you ARE making the claim that nubrac is innocent.

What the hell was the point of claiming that you weren't making the claim?

No Im not, you also dont have to guess, Im right here and can answer. You came in here and started to argue against claims that noone made <- this is what I believe happen. I did try to tell you about it "who made this claim?" "Noone made this claim, where did it come from?"

I hope you understand my explanation, if not let me know and I try again.

mack91125 votes

The teemo player did what he did as an attempt to get attention. He got it in all the wrong ways.

The ban is justified.

Nightblue is a toxic streamer take it up with twitch.

MuteAllFromStart2 votes

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The teemo player did what he did as an attempt to get attention. He got it in all the wrong ways.

The ban is justified.

Nightblue is a toxic streamer take it up with twitch.

I dont believe that is true at all as he done this strategy about 100 times before and had 5 viewers <- this suggest he doesnt do it for the attention and also he is getting good data from what he did.

I dont think the ban is justified at all... but I also dont think you should be banned for saying "Morgana" or explaning how to "zone" . I agree taht NB3 seams toxic and not like a very good person from this videoclip.

mack91125 votes

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I dont believe that is true at all as he done this strategy about 100 times before and had 5 viewers <- this suggest he doesnt do it for the attention and also he is getting good data from what he did.

I dont think the ban is justified at all... but I also dont think you should be banned for saying "Morgana" or explaning how to "zone" . I agree taht NB3 seams toxic and not like a very good person from this videoclip.

The reality of the situation is that riots own data shows that the majority of the teemo roaming games where in games with high profile streamers. The reason that trend would exist would be to incite a reaction which he got. Just not in the way he wanted or maybe it was who knows.

MuteAllFromStart1 votes

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The reality of the situation is that riots own data shows that the majority of the teemo roaming games where in games with high profile streamers. The reason that trend would exist would be to incite a reaction which he got. Just not in the way he wanted or maybe it was who knows.

Where can I read about this?

But at the same time it somewhat does make sense. If he is a high-elo player then he will play with and against other high elo players. Some/most(?) of these high elo players are also streamers, ranging from Tyler1 to Nubrac... Inbetween there it must be like what, 5000 LOL streamers?

When you say "high profile streamers" how many viewers do they need to have?

If what you are saying is true.. then he failed at grabbing attetnion the first 100 games and this 100th one he got the mighty NB3 in his game and all of a sudden he went from his 5 regulars to 300 viewers <- In 1 game after 100 attempts... Sorry these are not the patterns of someone wanting attention.

AJStarhiker1 votes

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Where can I read about this?

But at the same time it somewhat does make sense. If he is a high-elo player then he will play with and against other high elo players. Some/most(?) of these high elo players are also streamers, ranging from Tyler1 to Nubrac... Inbetween there it must be like what, 5000 LOL streamers?

When you say "high profile streamers" how many viewers do they need to have?

If what you are saying is true.. then he failed at grabbing attetnion the first 100 games and this 100th one he got the mighty NB3 in his game and all of a sudden he went from his 5 regulars to 300 viewers <- In 1 game after 100 attempts... Sorry these are not the patterns of someone wanting attention.

I don't remember which thread it was (there's way to many right now), but one of them included a tweet from Doublelift. That big enough for you?

MuteAllFromStart1 votes

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I don't remember which thread it was (there's way to many right now), but one of them included a tweet from Doublelift. That big enough for you?

Iets go back to my question as I believe you totally ignored that and the point Im trying to make:

When you say "high profile streamers" how many viewers do they need to have?

As you can see you dont answer this question. Im looking for a number, not a name. Just like if I ask "how tall are you?" I dont want you to tell me that you think person X is tall or short <- Im looking for a number.

MasterDClone1 votes

idk if 411 games on teemo is a cry for attention, like thats a lot of time time that must have taken out of this guys life just for attention nah i dont buy it.

mack91121 votes

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idk if 411 games on teemo is a cry for attention, like thats a lot of time time that must have taken out of this guys life just for attention nah i dont buy it.

Yet riots own data shows the majority of the games where with high profile streamers... why would they be ?

MasterDClone1 votes

but he has been doing this strat for years and 400 games with streamers, also at that elo you get a streamer in your game almost every second or third game

MuteAllFromStart1 votes

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idk if 411 games on teemo is a cry for attention, like thats a lot of time time that must have taken out of this guys life just for attention nah i dont buy it.

Maybe you are wrong. Not everything is about attention. I have recieved these comments too... That Im lookning for attetnion. This sentence comes from the schoolyard and its allways someone else trying to convince others that another person is "trying to get attetnion" ... Its never the one who is like "HEY I WANT ATTENTION" ... This comes from people taking rights to speak for others. Telling others what a person is doing, feeling, saying etc... "Why are you mad?" <- Is one of those.

In this case if we stick to the facts we know. At the start of his stream with NB3 he had 5 viewers and had those during the game. At the end of the game he had close to 300(?) because NB3 i stalking so much about him on his stream, going in to his statistics on intenret showing all his viewers this player, what he is playing, his stats etc.

Im the kind of person who allow you to tell others who you are, how you feel and what you are doing... not everyone is like me. Just the other post 1 person told me he was convinced that I was "jerking him around" <- This was never the case. It was a misunderstanding... And that is also what I believe you are doing here.

I did study psychology and playing teemo for 100 games for 5 viewers and getting data that you later can use in a discussion with a really , really toxic person are not signs of wanting attetnion... NB3 also used this argument that Nubrac had "mini orgasms from all the attention" ... Only you, him and others who think like this brought it up. You give yourself the right to speak for others and Idont think its okey. This needs to stop.

Cause if it doesnt stop, it will end up like a "witch hunt" where I can say that you are thinking bad criminal thoughts... and then people who doesnt like that crime come up to you and threaten you, just because I have taken myself the rights to tell others what you believe or what you have done <- Please stop with this behavior.

MasterDClone1 votes

im not really sure what you are talking about, this whole comment seems really weird to me. for the first point u make, the reason he got more viewers from nb stream is because nb made such a big deal about it, verbally abused him and then afked which is why this blew up so hard because of what nb did not nubrac and he gained viewers from the nb haters, in the past so many other streamers came out and said their hate for him like chase and IWD but he didnt gain insane viewership.

im not sure what you meant by the type of person i am or not, i am the type of person to only speak what you mean and anyone can speak about anything if they want to its up to the reader to decide whether they believe it or not.

Riot already does do this witch hunt with these kind of players so its nothing no and im not sure what you mean because in the example you made its already a thing in real life and as long as you dont do the crime u think about then it deosnt matter how many people threaten u, like with nubrac who didnt do anything against the summoners code or tos but the people who dont like the strat attack him regardless. The problem is when the authority's ignore their own rules to please the people

boricCentaur14 votes

This really really makes me hate Nubrac like just fuck him. He brings up the part of the rules where it says playing off meta is fine BUT THEN HE FUCKING IGNORES RULE FUCKING 1 you need to communicate and when nightblue says that just it doesn't work for him LIKE HELLO YOU,YOU CAN SAY THE SAME THING AGAINST YOU. He is fucking hypocrite.

Like nightblue even says he was being unprofessional but nubrac does he say he has done wrong things NOPE and the worst part is he fucking blames nightblue for his fans attacking him AFTER nightblue says to his fans don't go it him like wtf.

I DON'T EVEN LIKE NIGHTBLUE.

MuteAllFromStart2 votes

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This really really makes me hate Nubrac like just fuck him. He brings up the part of the rules where it says playing off meta is fine BUT THEN HE FUCKING IGNORES RULE FUCKING 1 you need to communicate and when nightblue says that just it doesn't work for him LIKE HELLO YOU,YOU CAN SAY THE SAME THING AGAINST YOU. He is fucking hypocrite.

Like nightblue even says he was being unprofessional but nubrac does he say he has done wrong things NOPE and the worst part is he fucking blames nightblue for his fans attacking him AFTER nightblue says to his fans don't go it him like wtf.

I DON'T EVEN LIKE NIGHTBLUE.

Where in the rules can I read that Im forced to communicate with my team?

I dont know when NB3 told his viewers not to go to his stream or how he did it, but that doesnt really matter. Its how you act... I was once targeted on twitter by a person who had well over 22.000 followers. Because he did slander me and posted my personal information people did send me text messages to my phone (noone did dare to call me). I also got about 200 tweets telling me what a bad person I was... because that person influenced these people.

In this case NB3 might have told his viewers to not go there... but he also told his viewers that this player is "trash" among other things. by degrading a person invites others to degrade that person as well... I have a screenshot about this "I was flaming you cause everyone else did" <-

This is why racism often is outlawed, cause if a person of power starts to target someone, or even gets in a verbal fight with someone... His fans will attack too, no matter what you tell your fans. There are a lot of examples of this kind of behavior.

What I believe NB3 should have done is to not flame Nubrac at all. Just say "That was a lousy strategy" , play until the end and then move on... But what I did see was NB3 talking a lot of negativity about Nubrac, googling his ingame stats , showing it to his stream, commenting on it...bascially giving Nubrac x amount of min free advertisement... But its bad publicity where its mostly flame and NB3 saying how bad Nubrac is.

boricCentaur14 votes

Rule 1, rule 4,and rule 5 actually a lot of the rules required you to talk I love that people just ignore them. Like I said your not supposed to play off meta if you don't explain it since you're being unsupportive to your team and for the reasons nightblue gave.

People expect champions to be normal meaning there is really no reason to tell your team but picking off meta changes that.

MuteAllFromStart2 votes

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Rule 1, rule 4,and rule 5 actually a lot of the rules required you to talk I love that people just ignore them. Like I said your not supposed to play off meta if you don't explain it since you're being unsupportive to your team and for the reasons nightblue gave.

People expect champions to be normal meaning there is really no reason to tell your team but picking off meta changes that.

Where can I read about this cause if I just google "Rule 1, rule 4,and rule 5" I dont get where I think you want me to go in order to get information about this.

I believe Nubrac gave a very good counter-argument to that. What is meta? <- Its forever changing, what was meta before may not be meta today.

I dont understand why I should be forced to explain myself just cause I want to build AP shen or AP Naut... Especially in my region where not everyone speaks English, I believe not even 50% of the people on EUW speaks English. <- So what's the point in me explaining something?

Also, I have previously been banned cause I "argue with people in game" <- ... This suggest that I should not talk about what I intend to do cause it can cause arguments. Its better just to play and do what I intend to do and make it happen. Whatever happens happens and it is what it is.

MasterDClone1 votes

lol i get asked to not pick shaco jg almost every game and as a otp should i just listen to them and not pick it and lose the game, or do i pick shaco and risk getting banned for not communicating or obeying as that would be the better term for what you are suggesting.

CharDeeMcDenniz1 votes

plz stop*[zombie-brand-facepalm]*

MuteAllFromStart1 votes

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plz stop*[zombie-brand-facepalm]*

Stop what? I cant read minds bro.

Kringkingking1 votes

What everyone needs to realize is that. The game is still adapting. During league's early stages there were duo top and no junglers. When the first jungler was played in the lcs everyone was surprised. Lee left top lane to 1v2 the enemy. Here is the link for the first LCS jungle https://youtu.be/273JWUzUrss Even tho Lee sin lost but everyone saw the strengths and weaknesses a jungler has. In this case Teemo left bot to 1v2 in ranked. And Lee left top to 1v2 in the LCS. No matter if it is working or not, Inventing the meta is a part of the game. Teemo has no reason to be banned. #FREENUBRAC

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