Karma Getting Nerfed Again?

The Yetii Rider·Aug 26, 2016·4 votes·660 views

Okay, so the last round of Karma nerfs made people upset, but now here we are nerfing both parts of her heal. It's not even a shift, it's not even "Okay you get less health up front but it pays off if you maintain the tether". No, just both of them flat nerfed.

Support Karma doesn't even build that much health! Neither does mid Karma (I assume, I think she's played more like a burst mage even at high elo). Why would Riot be interested in nerfing jungle Karma for Worlds?

15 Comments

Malignant VemiraAug 26, 20163 votes

Idk, haven't played her since they got rid of her AoE damage on shield. Not interested in her AT ALL with only one damage ability. Tether doesn't fking count. Glad I bought her for her kit, and then they removed half of it. They took Fiora's R away, when all she needed was a better parry and passive. Riot does some dumb fucking shit.

IxtaliKingAug 26, 20162 votes

I'm fine with them nerfing tank Karma, but they could have done it in a way that doesn't effect Ap Karma. Funny thing is if Riot actually took feedback from Karma players, she'd be in a much better place for everybody. It seems they would rather just give random buffs and nerfs which ultimately do not address her real issues.

JamesTheMage17Aug 26, 20161 votes

Karmas healing was too overpowered during the laning phase. 40%+ health back, cmon that's ridiculous.

The Yetii RiderAug 26, 20161 votes

40% missing health. If you have 1000 health and you're down to 400, casting it heals you for 20% of 600, which is 120. Then you get another 20% missing after a few seconds, which is 20% of 480, or 96, if you take no damage during that time. That's terribly weak for an ultimate.

JamesTheMage17Aug 26, 20161 votes

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40% missing health. If you have 1000 health and you're down to 400, casting it heals you for 20% of 600, which is 120. That's terribly weak for an ultimate.

First of all, it's not her ultimate, second, it's 240, not 120. it has two ticks. Also, if she has 550 health at level 1, and she's down to 100, using it will give her 40% of 450 which is... getting calculator... something near 200. And that's tremendously high for level 1 heals.

The Yetii RiderAug 26, 20162 votes

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First of all, it's not her ultimate, second, it's 240, not 120. it has two ticks.

Read the edit. It has two ticks, but the first tick heals her so she has less missing health for the second.

Also, yes. Renewal is her ultimate. It's her Mantra W.

The Yetii RiderAug 26, 20162 votes

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First of all, it's not her ultimate, second, it's 240, not 120. it has two ticks. Also, if she has 550 health at level 1, and she's down to 100, using it will give her 40% of 450 which is... getting calculator... something near 200. And that's tremendously high for level 1 heals.

No, that's not how math works. You get healed for 20% of 450 first, so then when it calculates again she's no longer at 100 health.

Maximum MordeAug 26, 20164 votes

Are you dumb? It IS her ultimate. Her normal W doesn't do that, only RW does it.

JamesTheMage17Aug 26, 20161 votes

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Are you dumb? It IS her ultimate. Her normal W doesn't do that, only RW does it.

Your point that changes this argument is...?

Maximum MordeAug 26, 20161 votes

It brings into question your knowledge of the champion and qualifications for making any judgement about her if you don't even know what her kit does and doesn't do.

JamesTheMage17Aug 26, 20161 votes

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It brings into question your knowledge of the champion and qualifications for making any judgement about her if you don't even know what her kit does and doesn't do.

..it actually doesn't because it's still the same ability, me confusing which key you have to hit to use it doesn't mean anything and I'm confused as to why you think it does.

Maximum MordeAug 26, 20163 votes

Remember that next time your surgeon doesn't know the difference between a vein and an artery.

JamesTheMage17Aug 26, 20161 votes

OH MY GOD! I DIDNT MENTION THAT THE HEAL IS SLIGHTLY LESS ON THE SECOND TICK! KILL ME NOW! OMG! Grow up people.

Maximum MordeAug 26, 20161 votes

I think they nerfed her for top lane, just in case.

RaiokunAug 28, 20161 votes

Riot is trying to keep up that, 'Nerf the Ionian' thing in each patch. I believe Karma is the first champion that has been reworked, revalued and each time she goes deeper into the path of being getting removed from the game.