PBE: DBC (W) return damage increased from 15/25/35/45/55 to 25/35/45/55/65
now don't get me wrong, his passive is still quite useless (rammus has shit attack speed no AD scaling) and his Q is still underwhelming...
thoughts? Remember that 
is being nerfed
The Fast4 votesThis is going to help Rammus's early clear a ton, at the very least. Its all he really needs. Rammus's early is straight horrific.
KONO RUBICK DA1 votes[{quoted}](name=Knight Kore,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5rmK5bu2,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-08-11T23:38:21.128+0000)
This is going to help Rammus's early clear a ton, at the very least. Its all he really needs. Rammus's early is straight horrific.
Rammus early isn't the only problem,, he is the tank with the least cc in end game. seriously his Q cc is invisible and his taunt is single target small range 2 sec taunt.
his utility is small,in fact 5/10/15/20/25 armor shred (he doesn't have physical damage really) for 1-2.25 seconds , really? even kayle passive has a longer duration the only 2 things you pick rammus for is: -one of the best tanking in the game -one of the best tank damage dealer in the game against carries
his cons: -lacks of utility as a tank
point 1 is unquestionable and rammus does good on this side but being unkillable is useless if the enemy team has 0 reasons to focus you. they should focus you because you are a threat.
point 2 now. thornmail and W is the biggest source of damage in Rammus's kit. the thing is that people attacks you only for 2 seconds and then they wait until your W ends.Thornmail is also being nerfed. His R requieres people to stand in. overall you aren't a big threat.
they should:
-increase rammus's R radius, or reducing its duration while increasing the damage. that way rammus's damage is more reliable. -increase the armor shred duration by a lot
The Fast1 votesYeah, you are right. Early buffs were what I want specifically, but his mid/late is technically being nerfed. Maybe they can make the ult slow by 5%/10%/15% or increase the range with rank. The armor shred duration probably shouldnt be too much bigger honestly. That shred means a lot against a squishy target. Maybe a revert. Honestly I'd rather they keep the damage tank part of rammus the most.
KONO RUBICK DA1 votes[{quoted}](name=Knight Kore,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5rmK5bu2,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-08-11T23:53:45.504+0000)
Yeah, you are right. Early buffs were what I want specifically, but his mid/late is technically being nerfed. Maybe they can make the ult slow by 5%/10%/15% or increase the range with rank. The armor shred duration probably shouldnt be too much bigger honestly. That shred means a lot against a squishy target. Maybe a revert. Honestly I'd rather they keep the damage tank part of rammus the most.
you are afraid of giving rammus utility? than increase the duration of the shred and allow only rammus to uses this shred and well, the range of his ulti increasing with rank is the way to go
The Fast1 votesNot afraid, I'm just more of a fan of rammus's damage ability than anything else.
Troy2426211 votesRammus early isn't the only problem,, he is the tank with the least cc in end game. seriously his Q cc is invisible and his taunt is single target small range 2 sec taunt.
his utility is small,in fact 5/10/15/20/25 armor shred (he doesn't have physical damage really) for 1-2.25 seconds , really? even kayle passive has a longer duration the only 2 things you pick rammus for is: -one of the best tanking in the game -one of the best tank damage dealer in the game against carries
his cons: -lacks of utility as a tank
point 1 is unquestionable and rammus does good on this side but being unkillable is useless if the enemy team has 0 reasons to focus you. they should focus you because you are a threat.
point 2 now. thornmail and W is the biggest source of damage in Rammus's kit. the thing is that people attacks you only for 2 seconds and then they wait until your W ends.Thornmail is also being nerfed. His R requieres people to stand in. overall you aren't a big threat.
they should:
-increase rammus's R radius, or reducing its duration while increasing the damage. that way rammus's damage is more reliable. -increase the armor shred duration by a lot
He's more of an early game tank, true enough, but he's good at that.
The Fast1 votesRammus early game really isn't great. Late game, he's amazing if he gets to the target.
blkKalameet1 votes[{quoted}](name=Knight Kore,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5rmK5bu2,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2015-08-12T00:19:42.507+0000)
Rammus early game really isn't great. Late game, he's amazing if he gets to the target.
Ashe arrow, followed by a sion ult, with you just behind getting a double speed boost and all chaos will break out as they panic trying to doge everything.
Sakura Mirage2 votesNow let's take a look at what else is being nerfed armour and cinderhulk his most used items I think this isn't really a buff since they are nerfing armour but just a compensation for the nerfs if that makes any sense.
KONO RUBICK DA1 votesNow let's take a look at what else is being nerfed armour and cinderhulk his most used items I think this isn't really a buff since they are nerfing armour but just a compensation for the nerfs if that makes any sense.
and thornmail is being nerfed
stealthfox941 votesNow let's take a look at what else is being nerfed armour and cinderhulk his most used items I think this isn't really a buff since they are nerfing armour but just a compensation for the nerfs if that makes any sense.
How is that Cinderhulk change a nerf? Looks like it could be a buff to me.
Jamaree1 votesHad they buffed him at the start of the cinderhulk meta, might have seen play, now, ehhhhhh. Though, I have VERY mixed feelings about Rammus. Like I want him to be good buuuuuuut, that fuck be cancer when solo laning.
Lugg1 votesI'm just happy to hear he is getting SOMETHING. He has been forgotten for so long.
ChaosThief1 votesIf those are correct, then this is going to be fun.
... Rammus is probably going to be the least affected by the thornmail nerfs, since he builds a lot of armor... right?
On a more serious note, 10 bonus damage on EVERY hit the enemies do is going to be lovely. Even if they aren't stacking attack speed (
I'm looking at you right now)
KONO RUBICK DA1 votesIf those are correct, then this is going to be fun.
... Rammus is probably going to be the least affected by the thornmail nerfs, since he builds a lot of armor... right?
On a more serious note, 10 bonus damage on EVERY hit the enemies do is going to be lovely. Even if they aren't stacking attack speed (
you might be right, but i don't know why they would attack you, his R needs something to damage someone without them to attack you