Prediction about Kindred:

Hemulen Magi·Sep 26, 2015·17 votes·1,802 views

I predict that instead of being played primarily as a jungler, Kindred will become the most toxic ranged top laner to grace the league.

Enjoy laning against this child of +

20 Comments

SythraellSep 26, 20155 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hemulen Magi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5pUhjtp6,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-09-26T02:19:48.243+0000) Enjoy laning against this child of +

Seems accurate.

Gnar : slippery as hell, sticky as hell, punishes tanks with %hp 3 hit proc, zones melees out of farming... Kindred is a strong and safe lane bully, but with bonus snowballing and scaling thanks to passive.

Tryndamere : good sustain, good waveclear, ultimate that provides invincibility but Kindred's is a teamwide AOE... Kindred is a strong splitpusher and duelist, but with better teamfighting.

If this champ ends up viable at all in top lane then riot should at least cash in by adding league themed wigs to the merch store since top laners are going to go bald pulling their hair out.

Malicious MetalSep 26, 20152 votes

As if I don't handicap myself enough already playing Mordekaiser top -.-

Can I preorder one black wig please?

iamdestinosSep 27, 20151 votes

I will never top lane again if this happens unless I have one of those 2

TurquoiseYoshiSep 26, 20155 votes

@Everyone in these comments: KINDRED IS A "they"! HOW HARD IS THIS CONCEPT TO GRASP? THERE ARE TWO THINGS, AND SO "they" IS USED!

And to respond to the actual post, no, Kindred probably wouldn't do that. Their jungle power is definitely more prominent, since their entire kit is built specifically around it. You can try bringing them top, but they will more likely get sh!t on by actual meta top laners.

SquidblimpSep 26, 20152 votes

If Kindred goes top, she will suffer mid and late game, since she won't be getting her passive stacks at all, unless she is aggressively roaming. Roaming from top lane isn't the best idea.

Stars ShaperSep 26, 20152 votes

More likely a child of

Warwick + Vayne

SulghunterSep 26, 20152 votes

Darius, Riven, Nasus, and other champions would disagree.

Quinn

I am a level five bird watcher

MarthianSep 26, 20151 votes

This is a terrible prediction then. Pray tell how she would accomplish this.

She has atrocious ratios, her best scaling will come from her passive, which she NEEDS to farm other champions/enemy jungle monsters in order to get increased at a good rate.

If you are picking a ranged top laner, almost everyone else is a better choice: They have better damage, scale better with items, not reliant on roaming to succeed, and many also have some great utility (Vayne's Condemn, Teemo's Blind, Jayce's knockback, etc.)

Hemulen MagiSep 26, 20156 votes

Pretty much the same situation as Gnar, where he/she automatically wins the early game against melee laners simply because she is ranged. Her damage isn't going to come directly from ability ratios, but from base damage and autoattacks (I expect BOTRK to be core). However, Kindred snowballs harder thanks to her passive, has built-in sustain, a Tryndamere-esque ultimate for winning duels if she is caught (while providing better teamfighting than Tryndamere), all while being uncatchable to the majority of melee champs due to range + mobility + cc.

Against most melee champs, she can't really lose lane if she plays well, since her safety makes it so that she always gets to decide when to fight and when not to. If she somehow falls behind, she just farms at a safe range and hops away if engaged on. If she is already snowballing, she constantly zones her opponent from farming and then kills them with ridiculous sticking power (and safe towerdiving with ult). Most melee tops can't reach her to fight, can't escape her without flash, and can't farm against her.

MarthianSep 26, 20153 votes

Being ranged does not make her the most toxic top laner (ranged champions beating top laners has been a thing for awhile, it isn't Kindred exclusive nor is it Gnar exclusive.)

doesn't have terribly high base damages either. (BoRK will definitely be core regardless of lane.)

If she goes top lane, again, she misses out on getting more stacks. There's a long cooldown on getting a passive stack from the same champion.

Ult invincibility applies to EVERYONE in the AoE, not just her.

Vayne has superior range, mobility, and in some cases, CC.

All those issues you listed apply to a lot of top laners. Also, all the sticking power she has is a 70% slow for one second on a 16/15/14/13/12 cooldown, and 9 second dash reduced to 2 seconds if within W (which you can just escape out of.).

Could she be a strong top laner? Possibly. Most toxic top laner ever? Far from it. (all those reasons you listed in the second part apply to many other ranged champions.) Are ranged characters going top problematic? In some cases, yes. Is Kindred going to make the issue worse? Not any worse than it is now.

Meep ManSep 26, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hemulen Magi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5pUhjtp6,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-09-26T03:15:25.971+0000)

Pretty much the same situation as Gnar, where he/she automatically wins the early game against melee laners simply because she is ranged. Her damage isn't going to come directly from ability ratios, but from base damage and autoattacks (I expect BOTRK to be core). However, Kindred snowballs harder thanks to her passive, has built-in sustain, a Tryndamere-esque ultimate for winning duels if she is caught (while providing better teamfighting than Tryndamere), all while being uncatchable to the majority of melee champs due to range + mobility + cc.

Against most melee champs, she can't really lose lane if she plays well, since her safety makes it so that she always gets to decide when to fight and when not to. If she somehow falls behind, she just farms at a safe range and hops away if engaged on. If she is already snowballing, she constantly zones her opponent from farming and then kills them with ridiculous sticking power (and safe towerdiving with ult). Most melee tops can't reach her to fight, can't escape her without flash, and can't farm against her.

I fail to see how she will be able to do this. Also, Gnar doesn't automatically win because he is Ranged. That only happens if you are bad. Her base damages are actually pretty dang bad as well and her ratios are also laughable. She RELIES on her passive for damage.

Critmaster GarenSep 26, 201510 votes

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This is a terrible prediction then. Pray tell how she would accomplish this.

She has atrocious ratios, her best scaling will come from her passive, which she NEEDS to farm other champions/enemy jungle monsters in order to get increased at a good rate.

If you are picking a ranged top laner, almost everyone else is a better choice: They have better damage, scale better with items, not reliant on roaming to succeed, and many also have some great utility (Vayne's Condemn, Teemo's Blind, Jayce's knockback, etc.)

she has terrible ratios except for her w, but high base values and max health % damage on her e. meaning she has a lot of item independnt damage in her kit.

plus, her sustain is pretty crazy.

her w zones the shit out of you. even if she wouldnt be op top for her auto attack poke, just throwing her w down and zoning you out from half the lane will be nasty. the thing deals a lot of damage. especially once she gets a couple stacks on her passive. she can throw it down and laugh at you from a distance.

she suffers from the irelia condition imo. why build her glass cannon adc, when she has so much item independent damage and high base values in her kit? she can just build bork and the rest tanky and almost deal the same damage.

MarthianSep 26, 20151 votes

couple stacks on her passive

If she's getting a couple stacks on her passive top lane, something might be wrong (afaik she will get passive stacks much faster roaming.)

xFrostKnightxSep 26, 20151 votes

Been on Pbe a lot, your right.

In the Current meta, she will do well top. But when people adapt and adjusts, which will be a month or two once she will be pushed out.

I'm not saying she will suck, but in the jungle she's too squish which riot may fix? Or not because it might buff top lane kindred.

There are quite a few top laners who can A) conpletly ignore your pokes, B) Poke harder.

While she has sustain, without stacks she's weak mid/late game and self-counters herself by;

Going top lane = they know when you go to collect a jungle camp and if you do you miss out on farm top.

Kindred is thirsty for ganks, if she gets none she will be nothing but an easy squish target once teams start grouping. So top/mid/Jg will focus the Jg because he "HAS" to help you get stacks and kills or your useless.

By being top and with the above fact. Your Jg, is forced between top or bottom ganking, and if the enemy top or bot lane get ahead, having a kindred won't do much to turn the game around.

My final conclusion is, Kindred will be like shaco in terms of how they assist a team. A good shaco will solo carry while a bad shaco will carry the enemy. Just like shaco, there is no middle. You are either a godly kindred or a useless one.

GrReaper96Sep 26, 20151 votes

The question is which one got pregnant o.O

bobsenbobSep 26, 20151 votes

hmm, mostly I'd expect kindred to just rish like trinity force into botrk or vice verca since she has horrible scalings but not bad at all base stats and botrk plus her passive can do a lot of %current hp dmg

blkKalameetSep 26, 20151 votes

They will actually be better in mid lane rather than top.

From mid you have the option to roam more freely to pick up your passive stacks, and without a fair number of those kindred will fall off late game.

Jungle Lux GodSep 26, 20151 votes

Kindred has too much power based around the jungle to be toxic in a solo lane. If Kindred is worth being played as a top laner, it wouldn't matter because their junlgle would be so obscene it wouldn't be worth it to play her top.

Count ZubatSep 26, 20151 votes

If that happens, top lane meta will just change. I would expect champs like Riven and Irelia become super popular for a while and juggernauts/bruisers being seen less often. Kindred will probably get some nerfs too, I just hope they won't be overnerfed too much, because I would really like to buy Kindred and play them in the jungle.