Is there anything about Evelynn worth salvaging?

Hemulen Magi··60 votes·16,316 views

Let's break Evelynn down into her character components:

  1. Visuals [Shadow Evelynn Splash from official LoL site] http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Evelynn_1.jpg

[Classic Splash from official LoL site] http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/Evelynn_0.jpg

<snip> [Edit: LOL! The forum mods deleted a screenshot of one of Eve's ingame models here. Apparently, even they agree that it is offensive.]

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/3/34/Evelynn_Render.png/revision/20140927131938

[Chinese LoL Classic Splash from google image search] http://www.lolnart.com/img/heroes/evelynn/Evelynn_Riot_5188c42de9e04.jpg

Evelynn is the definition of an oversexualized champion. Seriously, this is ridiculous. I've seen threads on these boards get flagged/deleted for less offensive material than this official "art". [Edit: Proving this point, a forum mod removed a screenshot of one of Eve's ingame models from this thread. LOL!]

Visually, she appears to be some sort of skanky, undead prostitute in BDSM attire. She has some sort of beehive bride-of-frankenstein hairdo. The level of detail and quality in the splash arts is generally low. The "seductive" poses are disgustingly exaggerated. The necrophiliac undertones are revolting. If I were female, I would probably be mildly offended by this extremely undignified objectification. Even as a heterosexual male, I find this indecent, not to mention vomit inducing. There is nothing about "Vampire Hooker" that makes an appealing character theme.


  1. Lore

[Original Lore] Evelynn's origins are shrouded in mystery - a mystery she herself helps to perpetuate. What everyone does know about Evelynn, however, is that she is one of the most skilled assassins in Valoran. It is clear upon first meeting her that she is not quite human. Some theorize that she was cursed with a mild form of fantastical vampirism as a child. Supporters of this theory contend that her ability to sap the very life essence of her opponents on (and off) the Fields of Justice, while still being able to tolerate direct sunlight, would account for this belief. There is some evidence that Evelynn originally came from the Shadow Isles - the mysterious island located northwest of Valoran that is eternally blanketed by a thick, unnatural fog. It is thought that the Shadow Isles are home to countless forms of undead, though no one seems eager to perform the exploration necessary to find out the truth. Evelynn neither confirms nor denies her connection to Shadow Isles. The power brokers of Valoran know that Evelynn's services come at the highest of premiums, and her recent addition to the League of Legends indicates that her ambitions are growing. Her savagery on the Fields of Justice has been so great that new rumors about her origins are now circulating. The most popular one - an abuse of magic as a child morphed her into the hungering beast her opponents see on the battlefield - always makes her smile when hearing it... an act that bares her razor-sharp fangs and teeth. Evelynn now curries favor from League summoners, gaining influence for reasons known only to her. While the nature of her plans- much like almost everything else about her - remains unknown, there's little doubt that those plans are now set on the world stage.

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[Updated Lore] Swift and lethal, Evelynn is one of the most deadly - and expensive - assassins in all of Runeterra. Able to merge with the shadows at will, she patiently stalks her prey, waiting for the right moment to strike. While Evelynn is clearly not entirely human, and her heritage remains unclear, it is believed that she hails from the Shadow Isles - though her link with that tortured realm remains shrouded in mystery.

Can this even be called lore? It's like the writer's couldn't come up with any background at all. We could get as much out of something like:

Evelynn is a mysterious mystery. Where is she from? What does she want? Is she a vampire? Who the fuck knows? Her champ tags say she is an assassin. She charges a lot for her "services" if you know what I mean... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


  1. Kit/Gameplay

P: Shadow Walk When out of combat, Evelynn enters stealth only being able to be seen by nearby enemy champions or true sight. While stealthed, she rapidly regenerates Mana.

Most of Evelynn's power budget goes into her passive and its "lack of counterplay" has been a frequent excuse to nerf her into the dumpster. Despite this one ability occupying a huge chunk of her power, Riot cared too little to even bother fixing a huge exploit (see below) for a year that was capable of practically nullifying Eve... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXnggOdocd8

Q: Hate Spike Cost: 12/18/24/30/36 Mana Cooldown: 1.5 Range: 500 Evelynn fires a line of spikes through an enemy, dealing damage to all enemies in its path. Evelynn fires a line of spikes through a nearby enemy dealing 40/50/60/70/80 (+ 35 / 40 / 45 / 50 / 55% AP) (+ 50 / 55 / 60 / 65 / 70% bonus AD) magic damage to all enemies in its path. Hate Spike prioritizes the target Evelynn is attacking.

This must be among the clunkiest abilities in the game hands down. I am glad that I am not an Eve main, since I have to honestly wonder how many have unfortunately destroyed their keyboards or developed pinky-finger arthritis spamming q. It's just stupid that the best use case for this ability is just to mindlessly mash it as fast as possible in any fight. In my experience, it also suffers from unexplained "delays" where the ability simply refuses to go off, which is probably a symptom that it is breaking my hardware. It's also stupid having a non-skill-shot ability that can easily miss its target. There is also no very reliable way for Eve to even choose who the ability will try to target, leading to even more frustration. If building AD, this ability also does less damage than an autoattack...

W: Dark Frenzy Cost: 40 Mana Cooldown: 15 Range: Self Active: Evelynn removes all slows affecting her and gains 30/40/50/60/70% Movement Speed for 3 seconds. Passive: Evelynn's spell hits on enemy champions reduce Dark Frenzy's cooldown by 1 second.Champion kills and assists refresh Dark Frenzy's cooldown.

Not much to say about this... It's a somewhat mediocre gap-closer/chasing ability that was recently given a mana cost to tax Eve's limited mana pool... There is nothing particularly creative or interesting about this ability.

E: Ravage Cost: 50/55/60/65/70 Mana Cooldown: 9 Range: 225 Evelynn slashes her target twice, dealing damage with each hit. She then gains increased Attack Speed for a short duration. Evelynn swiftly attacks a target 2 times (applies on-hit effects), dealing a total of 70/110/150/190/230 (+100% Ability Power) (+100% bonus Attack Damage) physical damage. Evelynn then gains 60/75/90/105/120% Attack Speed for 3 seconds.

This ability is in pretty serious conflict with the rest of Eve's kit. She was originally supposed to be an assassin/mage according to her champ tags. Yet this ability seems to be designed for a sustained melee damage autoattacker. With an AP assassin build, Eve is too squishy and has the wrong stats to get much advantage from this. This one ability is the reason that Eve has gone through whole patches where she was mostly built as a tanky AD champ. At this time of writing, she is still being built with 4 tank items because it's the only way she can survive getting close enough to use her full kit. She is completely failing at her assassin role and this ability is partly to blame.

R: Agony's Embrace Cost: 100 Mana Cooldown: 150/120/90 Range: 650 Evelynn summons spikes from the ground to deal damage and slow enemies in the area. She then gains a shield based on how many enemy champions were hit. Evelynn impales all enemies in the targeted area, dealing 15/20/25 (+1% Ability Power)% of their current Health in magic damage and slowing their Movement Speed by 40/60/80% for 2 seconds. Evelynn siphons their pain, gaining a 150/225/300 health shield for each enemy champion hit which lasts up to 6 seconds.

This ability doesn't fit with an assassin at all and is pretty weak for an ultimate. The early cooldown is ridiculous. The damage is pretty low, and is literally impossible to use as a finisher due to the current-health scaling. This ability is strongest as a teamfight engager against clustered opponents, but a squishy assassin has no place being on the front lines to engage a teamfight. This is just completely counter intuitive for a champion that is supposed to be an assassin and is another reason Evelynn is best played as a tanky bruiser now.

Eve's kit has gotten several mini overhauls and none have helped fix her issues. She's just diverged further and further from her assassin role and is still considered unhealthy. It seems like nothing other than her passive is considered "core" to her identity, yet her passive is frequently referenced as a reason for gutting her repeatedly and is often called an unhealthy, low counterplay mechanic.


So be honest, what does Evelynn even have about her that would be worth salvaging in a rework? Her visual theme is disgusting, her lore is nonexistent, and her kit is mismatched and broken. Other than some sort of stealth, I don't see anything about her surviving a full overhaul. How did this character even make its way into the league? She feels like a complete parody of a proper champion.

213 Comments

shaiith23 votes

Eve needs a poppywork. (Ok, edited: I would like Eve to get a poppywork. Sigh... critics)

I'd like the ultimate to change into a single target hp drain (instant or channeled) attack with a short duration stun/taunt/charm at melee range with Quinn's kickflip at the end. (Blood Rayne anyone?)

Rather than AS buff, i'd want Ravage to change to a debilitating debuff.

Dark frenzy currently has Eve break stealth and run faster with sparkles at her feet. ... No. I'd change it to an instant smoke/stealth escape ability with a big drawback as soon as it ends, like Kha's ultimate with Blitz' slowdown.

Hate Spike... I don't know. It's interesting enough, but i can't say what should be done with it.

pWasHere6 votes

The funny thing is that his kit was her poppywork.

Ralanr2 votes

What was it originally?

Auryiel10 votes

Passive was reduced damage from monsters and minons

Q was roughly the same, except instead of being a line, it hit two random targets close to you with no way to choose who it would hit

W was her stealth, with a duration that scaled stupidly with levels. It was 10 or 20 seconds at rank 1 and 50-60 at rank 5. Note, this was TRUE stealth, like what Twitch has now, except on a very long duration (Twitch had it too). It also added an effect to her next attack when coming out of stealth. It used to be a stun, but it was removed and replaced with a slow. Overall this ability alone was the reason Eve was kept weak on purpose. Back in the days, Eve was literally a troll champion. You did not pick Eve to win, you picked Eve to spite your own team mates. I mean of course you'd have exceptions, people who mained her, but she was so bad people called weak champions Eve tier, or rather compared weak champions to Eve, saying stuff like ''X champion got Eve'd'' or ''At least Y champion is not Eve tier''. Then when her rework came out she was supremely overpowered and Eve tier, for a while, meant OP champions XD And now we're back to square 2 (square 1 would be Eve being OP with her perma stealth and stun)

E I'm not sure but I think it was basically the same, a single target nuke. I don't think it had the AS buff

R had a passive and an active. Passively, she would regain health on kills and assits and the active was an AS and MS steroid that could be used without breaking her stealth.

Fredart3 votes

Her w was her ult, man the good ole days when you'd stack sunfires and run in circles cloaked around the enemy were the best days of lol.

Actin22 votes

I think you accidentally posted this on boards instead of Tumblr

Dominick Destine21 votes

+1 for Tango panty shot. Edit: -1 for removing the Tango panty shot.

But Evelynn is fine; http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/NA/Dominick%20Destine/champions She functions perfectly fine at Diamond bracket and it goes without saying that under Diamond as well. She needs no rework or changes.

Evelynn is the definition of an oversexualized champion

Tumblr is that-a way. This isn't puritanical city, people here won't lose their shiz over some smurf's skin.... it bares noting that Miss Fortune is far more sexualized in lore, gameplay, style and voice acting.

The "seductive" poses are disgustingly exaggerated

Found the feminist.

Evelynn's title; The Widowmaker is a double-entendre... I'll leave it up to you to figure it out.

Can this even be called lore? It's like the writer's couldn't come up with any background at all

That was the point. Evelynn is supposed to be mysterious and unknown.... just like Rammus' voice acting, it's meant to be minimalist. Evelynn was my first pick in terms of lore and style when I started in S1, but I opted to main Morgana because she "looked more powerful".

Still, Quadra Sunfire Cape Evelynn was max FTW.

I have to honestly wonder how many have unfortunately destroyed their keyboards or developed pinky-finger arthritis spamming q

Pretty funny, but not a good argument.

Her visual theme is disgusting

Speak for yourself, I like her visual theme and so do many others. Her playstyle is also very engaging and dynamic, focusing not on spray and pray skill shots but rather a true level of skill; Positioning and timing. Very unique to her.

So you hate Evelynn, you are a hardcore feminist, that's all that was garnered from your spiel.

WoonStruck8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4p05EAic,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-12-12T18:35:44.317+0000)

+1 for Tango panty shot.

But Evelynn is fine; http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/NA/Dominick%20Destine/champions She functions perfectly fine at Diamond bracket and it goes without saying that under Diamond as well. She needs no rework or changes.

Tumblr is that-a way. This isn't puritanical city, people here won't lose their shiz over some smurf's skin.... it bares noting that Miss Fortune is far more sexualized in lore, gameplay, style and voice acting.

Found the feminist.

Evelynn's title; The Widowmaker is a double-entendre... I'll leave it up to you to figure it out.

That was the point. Evelynn is supposed to be mysterious and unknown.... just like Rammus' voice acting, it's meant to be minimalist. Evelynn was my first pick in terms of lore and style when I started in S1, but I opted to main Morgana because she "looked more powerful".

Still, Quadra Sunfire Cape Evelynn was max FTW.

Pretty funny, but not a good argument.

Speak for yourself, I like her visual theme and so do many others. Her playstyle is also very engaging and dynamic, focusing not on spray and pray skill shots but rather a true level of skill; Positioning and timing. Very unique to her.

So you hate Evelynn, you are a hardcore feminist, that's all that was garnered from your spiel.

Regardless of what you got from OP, Eve is a bad champion in both concept, design, and execution.

Hemulen Magi9 votes

I'm a straight guy and I don't consider myself a feminist. Evelynn just pushes the boundaries too far for no apparent reason. The oversexualization doesn't make her any more compelling as a character as far as I can tell.

I'm not a pacifist either, but I might have a problem if Riot added "Rolf, the Infant Impaler" to the game. It would just be in bad taste.

Nekusen6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hemulen Magi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4p05EAic,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2015-12-12T19:02:06.886+0000)

The oversexualization doesn't make her any more compelling as a character as far as I can tell.

maybe not for you, but as the saying goes "there is nothing written about tastes", some (for not saying most) people do like it, and that's enough to add it. as humans are coded to enjoy sex, even become happier and healthier by the sight of things that resemble it

lolipopevelynn16 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hemulen Magi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4p05EAic,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2015-12-12T19:02:06.886+0000)

I'm a straight guy and I don't consider myself a feminist. Evelynn just pushes the boundaries too far for no apparent reason. The oversexualization doesn't make her any more compelling as a character as far as I can tell.

I'm not a pacifist either, but I might have a problem if Riot added "Rolf, the Infant Impaler" to the game. It would just be in bad taste.

its not pushing anything too far. your post is a HUGE over exaggeration with your only argument being that you dislike the BDSM look. if it was truly about oversexualization then you would HAVE to include Leblanc MissFortune Syndra into your argument.

eve is unique in that she is the only champ to really have the BDSM look specifically, but in terms of oversexulization in general there are other champions that are guilty of it aswelw. DJ Sona having tight clothes and a gigantic ass to match her gigantic boobs, and hell even shadowfire Kindred skin is oversexualized. have you seen the giant ass they put on a god damn lamb of all things?

so you soloing out eve for oversexualiztion is very misguided and biased. if you dont like the BDSM look of eve then fine, state that. but dont bull shit about "oversexualization" when so many other champions in this game and other games are guilty of it.

[Edit: LOL! The forum mods deleted a screenshot of one of Eve's ingame models here. Apparently, even they agree that it is offensive.]

no you idiot, you posted a UPSKIRT SHOT of tango eve, something that is impossible to even do in game and without the use of a editor or online champ model viewer.

MF is my Waifu5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4p05EAic,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-12-12T18:35:44.317+0000)

+1 for Tango panty shot. Edit: -1 for removing the Tango panty shot.

But Evelynn is fine; http://www.lolskill.net/summoner/NA/Dominick%20Destine/champions She functions perfectly fine at Diamond bracket and it goes without saying that under Diamond as well. She needs no rework or changes.

Tumblr is that-a way. This isn't puritanical city, people here won't lose their shiz over some smurf's skin.... it bares noting that Miss Fortune is far more sexualized in lore, gameplay, style and voice acting.

Found the feminist.

Evelynn's title; The Widowmaker is a double-entendre... I'll leave it up to you to figure it out.

That was the point. Evelynn is supposed to be mysterious and unknown.... just like Rammus' voice acting, it's meant to be minimalist. Evelynn was my first pick in terms of lore and style when I started in S1, but I opted to main Morgana because she "looked more powerful".

Still, Quadra Sunfire Cape Evelynn was max FTW.

Pretty funny, but not a good argument.

Speak for yourself, I like her visual theme and so do many others. Her playstyle is also very engaging and dynamic, focusing not on spray and pray skill shots but rather a true level of skill; Positioning and timing. Very unique to her.

So you hate Evelynn, you are a hardcore feminist, that's all that was garnered from your spiel.

why was this downvoted so much

Effly9 votes

Op doesn't hate evelynn, and there's nothing wrong with feminism. Feminism is about considering equality as it applies to not just women but men too. Don't be ignorant.

Unpaladin9 votes

Feminism is about considering equality

Whoa buddy, let's not go too far here. As of right now it's half about spiting men and half about letting women get away with things.

Karn Bishop2 votes

Lets be honest if it was about true equality it would not be called Feminism, i'll admit at one point it was about equality but that was years ago, and they achieved that goal. The problem is they never stopped just like hitler never stopped after reuniting old germany he kept on wanting more and the world kept on caving to these demands instead of saying NO enough is enough which let him build a power base so strong that by the time we did say no we had to spill so much needless blood.

Puynsi2 votes

He thinks that nowadays feminism is about equality

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/psycrs.gif

ADepressedLeona15 votes

This devolved from a thread about Eve to a thread about being overly sexualized lol

Hemulen Magi18 votes

It seems like a lot of people don't understand the criticism at all. It has less to do with the amount of skin shown and more to do with her looking like a skanky, worn-out, STD-ridden, undead prostitute with a beehive hairdo. I do question whether league needs any champ so extremely sexualized, but the problems with Evelynn's visuals go beyond that issue. Her whole theme is sexual, yet her visuals fail to even make her remotely attractive in my honest opinion. It's like looking at a rotting bride of Frankenstein in a bikini and holding a whip. Who would think that would be a good idea?

ADepressedLeona6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hemulen Magi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4p05EAic,comment-id=00190000,timestamp=2015-12-12T21:39:04.138+0000)

It seems like a lot of people don't understand the criticism at all. It has less to do with the amount of skin shown and more to do with her looking like a skanky, worn-out, STD-ridden, undead prostitute with a beehive hairdo. I do question whether league needs any champ so extremely sexualized, but the problems with Evelynn's visuals go beyond that issue. Her whole theme is sexual, yet her visuals fail to even make her remotely attractive in my honest opinion. It's like looking at a rotting bride of Frankenstein in a bikini and holding a whip. Who would think that would be a good idea?

I don't mind her being sexy, but I do feel what you're saying. I've seen a few fan arts for her VU and personally like this one the best

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=824239&d=1384109077

It gets rid of her super sayin hair, and gives her more clothing while still keeping her sexiness. She also looks much more threatening and I personally like the elongated fingers and claws, it makes her more monstery.

Also this doesn't stray too far from what the original Eve is like. (Still has the blue skin, yellow eyes, pink hair. The only thing that is replaced is the mark on her forehead)

Nekusen8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Snowy Poro,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4p05EAic,comment-id=001900000000,timestamp=2015-12-12T22:03:06.009+0000) gives her more clothing

why ?

Dominick Destine13 votes

Because they want to have it both ways.

"We are feminists, stop slut shaming women for what they wear, THATS MSOGYNY!" "ZOMG THIS FEMALE CHARACTER IS SHOWING TOO MUCH SKIN, MISOGYNY!!!" /facepalm

PalPlays11 votes

That's not the problem. The issue is where she's supposed to be attractive but falls short.

Hemulen Magi4 votes

Yep, that's pretty much it. I don't think basing her off of a prostitute is in good taste though. Otherwise, I could care less about how much of her is showing. I am not disgusted by Janna and she's wearing very little too.

Bekkal9 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hemulen Magi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4p05EAic,comment-id=0019000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-13T00:17:33.948+0000)

Yep, that's pretty much it. I don't think basing her off of a prostitute is in good taste though.

Your standards of good taste are not the same as everyone else's.

Solitair1 votes

no one said misogyny?

Unpaladin5 votes

Everyone is saying misogyny nowadays. If no one said it here, someone else will.

Rundus13 votes

In all honesty, it is a decent idea. Sure, some weirdos play her bc they think she's hot. Those guys are just odd... I (along with a few friends) enjoy playing eve on occasion for a few reasons, and one is her entire persona and outfit have a confident feel to them. She's sure of herself and thinks she is amazing at everything, and she dresses accordingly. It's not so much that her appearance makes any of the eve players I know play her for the sex appeal, but rather they play her because she thinks she's all that despite looking off-putting in a few ways (the hair, the skin tone, the in-game model clunkiness). When they play eve, her outfit and personality combine and they either do well and feel like THE lethal queen of killing, or they do bad and still have fun synergising with the rest of us for an AD/tank engage and describe it as choosing when and who dies with the ult engage, and scaling into a decent late game bruiser (I didn't believe that part until I gave it a game or two). She may be weak with a lot of kit issues, but theme-wise, she has 2 big things going for her. 1) Her stealth (which as it stands is meh, but synergises well with her second theme.) 2) Her confidence. If you play eve and do well, it feels amazingly fun. She laughs mockingly at the enemies like their attacks are pitifully hilarious, she makes it seem like she's having as much fun as you, and her in-game audio in general just fits perfectly with a snowball champ like eve. If you play her jg and can get a kill lv 3 or 4, and another 1 or 2 by lv 6 or 7 without dying (I know it's a hard start but if you can do it...), you'll feel like a god if you build burst-assassin eve. Runeglaive was great for that, but I think the new jg item on PBE will be just as good. I hope they keep a lot of her kit the same, with a rework of q and r being their main priority just so I can keep this confident AP assassin jg/ hybrid tank that I can occasionally enjoy with friends (randoms rage if I pick her so i stopped doing it in soloque.)

Biff Manly5 votes

You keep saying "undead," "necrophiliac," etc, but I think you're wrong there. She's more in the 'demon' territory that Tahmmy and Shaqo Niel inhabit. Saying she's undead is completely baseless, considering her lore is just a compilation of rumors about her being either a vampire or a curse victim. Throwing her under a bus is okay, but don't throw her under imaginary, hate-mongering buses as well.

Nekusen9 votes

"oversexualized".... so? we don't live in the dark ages anymore, we don't need to be puritans, if you want to see "real" women, go to a mcdonalds, nice aesthetics are part of the game. i find Tahm Kench revolting to look at, he is an actual example of disgusting, his belly, the way he licks things, the damn sounds he makes, everything, though i like his kit, too bad.

Q- i agree here, they should make it toggable so you don't have to burn your keyboard while using her, it's kinda annoying, if they did this using Eve would be way more enjoyable.

Ult- i also think this ability doesn't fit her very much.

Her problem is that she is a stealth champ, with an assassin kit but she requires to be built tanky to work, and she has a damn bad jungle sustain.

Hemulen Magi7 votes

Holy crap! The forum moderators even deleted a screenshot of one of Eve's ingame character models. Even the Rioters agree that Evelynn's visuals are offensive.

ModMod Curator9 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hemulen Magi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4p05EAic,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2015-12-12T19:13:12.283+0000)

Holy crap! The forum moderators even deleted a screenshot of one of Eve's ingame character models. Even the Rioters agree that Evelynn's visuals are offensive.

The image in question wasn't an in-game screenshot. It was taken from a model viewer from an upskirt angle that you can't see in-game. This is why it was removed.

Hemulen Magi3 votes

It was a screenshot of an unedited ingame model. Can you clarify why those details even exist if they are obscene? If its purely what is visible from that angle on the Tango Evelynn skin, then every other skin (except Safecracker) is even more obscenely revealing from almost every angle.

ModMod Curator7 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hemulen Magi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4p05EAic,comment-id=000800000000,timestamp=2015-12-12T19:33:59.136+0000)

It was a screenshot of an unedited ingame model. Can you clarify why those details even exist if they are obscene? If its purely what is visible from that angle on the Tango Evelynn skin, then every other skin (except Safecracker) is even more obscenely revealing from almost every angle.

I don't recall saying it was obscene; you said that. Images a player creates by manipulating in-game models to show them from angles not appropriate for the Boards will be removed, usually along with the post. The image itself was edited out so the conversation could continue, not to derail it, since the image is never seen in-game and doesn't pertain to the topic in that sense.

As for why those details exist, most artists completely flesh out a character design simply so it makes sense instead of looking incomplete. However, while that may have been the unedited in-game model, again, it isn't ever viewable from that angle in-game.

Hemulen Magi4 votes

What is visible from that angle on Tango Evelynn is fully visible from almost every other angle on almost every other Eve skin. If Tango Evelynn's panties are inappropriate for the boards, then so are classic Evelynn's panties which are still visible in the other screenshots and splash arts.

A zoomed-in rear-facing screenshot of Classic Eve straight out of the game would have given just as clear of a view of the "inappropriate" area. I only used Tango Eve because I wanted to show a variety of her different skins. I do agree that it's inappropriate, but it exists in the actual game and that's what I was pointing out.

By the way, "inappropriate" and "obscene" are synonyms in this context.

lolipopevelynn9 votes

[{quoted}](name=Hemulen Magi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4p05EAic,comment-id=00080000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-12T19:56:05.627+0000)

What is visible from that angle on Tango Evelynn is fully visible from almost every other angle on almost every other Eve skin. If Tango Evelynn's panties are inappropriate for the boards, then so are classic Evelynn's panties which are still visible in the other screenshots and splash arts.

A zoomed-in rear-facing screenshot of Classic Eve straight out of the game would have given just as clear of a view of the "inappropriate" area. I only used Tango Eve because I wanted to show a variety of her different skins. I do agree that it's inappropriate, but it exists in the actual game and that's what I was pointing out.

i legit think you are autistic. you posted an upskirt shot of tango eve on top of zooming it in. you can litterally do the same fucking thing with annie and mods would still delete it you ignoramus.

Hemulen Magi3 votes

Except in the case of Annie, the argument would hold up better because you can't already see her panties in her other skins and splash arts. In the case of Eve, you can without any sort of editing or special angles.

lolipopevelynn4 votes

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Except in the case of Annie, the argument would hold up better because you can't already see her panties in her other skins and splash arts. In the case of Eve, you can without any sort of editing or special angles.

Heres an idea. go to LoL king, load fox fire ahri model and post an upskirt zoomed shot of her panties in this thread. ill be waiting for w/e excuse you make up to not do it.

Hemulen Magi4 votes

Except in the case of Evelynn, her panties are already completely visible in her splash arts, so it was nothing new being shown. I think you guys are missing the point. I don't mind it being snipped even, I just find it funny as a double standard.

By the way, if it's all about the angle, I think the mods must have forgotten that Evelynn is intentionally animated to bend over and give a down-shirt view while she does a solo lap dance in the game... http://i.imgur.com/sWelYWo.jpg

I'm not arguing that the screenshot wasn't inappropriate. It was just funny to have it removed and leave the equally revealing splash arts.

lolipopevelynn5 votes

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Except in the case of Evelynn, her panties are already completely visible in her splash arts, so it was nothing new being shown. I think you guys are missing the point. I don't mind it being snipped even, I just find it funny as a double standard.

By the way, if it's all about the angle, I think the mods must have forgotten that Evelynn is intentionally animated to bend over and give a down-shirt view while she does a solo lap dance in the game... http://i.imgur.com/sWelYWo.jpg

I'm not arguing that the screenshot wasn't inappropriate. It was just funny to have it removed and leave the equally revealing splash arts.

first off all, have you even SEEN Janna splash art? she is quite literally only wearing panties and a bra. LITTERALLY panties and a bra. those strings floating around her arnt clothes, they are shreds of what use to be her dress. just cut it out with your BS already. the reason it was removed was not because it was inappropriate, the reason it was removed was because i t contributed NOTHING to your argument as it was just a upskirt and zoomed in shot of tango eve that can not be seen in game or on tango eves splash art.

its like if you went in public, took a upskirt shot of some random girl at school or at a mall, posted on twitter/reddit/tumblr, and said "this girl is a slut!". complete stupidity. not only that, but tango eves skin in particular is actually the most tamed and elegant of all of eves skins. the fact that you posted an upskirt shot of it in the first place was moronic and deserved deletion as it had no place in this thread. infact it was CHILDISH to do so.

Kubox7 votes

"Even as a heterosexual male, I find this indecent, not to mention vomit inducing. There is nothing about "Vampire Hooker" that makes an appealing character theme."

Aaaaaand you lost me. Sexy Vampire Hooker? Yes please, I'll take 20 of them. As for oversexualisation, if the game needs female champions like Leona (armored) or Illaoi (ripped), then is also needs sexy characters.

If it's rude for characters to be sexy, it's also rude if no characters are : A balance is required. And that applies to male characters as well, we have the typical Armored guys like Darius, then we have the handsome devils like Jayce.

La Bello4 votes

"When are they going to give Ryze a shirt? Its so over sexualized as a male this makes me angry" - said no one ever

Leadpaintchips6 votes

Eve for me has been in a rough spot for a while. When I first started playing her, she was the first real hybrid damage champion that I used. She struggled with that, because of the items that were available at the time didn't really favor a caster hybrid (think every other one out there is an AS hybrid).

Her biggest advantage was that she ignored most wards to get to that gank, bit I soon realized that it didn't matter, because almost no one warded, so her passive was pretty useless.

The itemization was aimed at less raw power, so she couldn't go in and nuke anyone, so she she had to do sustained damage, which means she had to stick to someone for 3-5 seconds, which if you went full glass cannon (like you should with assassins), you died. Most people decided to build her so she could survive the amount of time she had to deal her damage, which made that time she was out there even longer (not by much though, because other than some freak moments her ratios were kindof crappy.), so she was less assassin-y, more bruiser. Then they reworked her ult, and solidified her as the stealth bruiser.

I would like to see her actually fit into the role of assassin, but I don't think that's going to happen, because of how messed up her identity developed over the years. There is no clear picture as to WHAT she is, and what role she is supposed to fill.

BlackEyesBlue6 votes

As someone who still has Eve as his highest leveled champion, I'd like to see her get a minor rework then a total teardown. She's the most fun I've had playing a champion over a long period of time. Even though her kit is simple automatics or point and click, She's deceptively hard to play well, and very rewarding when you do.

I've posted MANY threads here in the past about my thoughts and issues with her, most have gone un-heard... Here's some brief summaries.

  1. Most people who complain about how toxic or un-fair Eve is, don't even seem to know how she works! I've had individuals think she's naturally tanky, that she has permanent bird buff, that her ult deals % MAX health damage, that her W breaks stuns...

  2. I've NEVER liked her ult... It's too weak, easily escaped once hit by, the CD is WAY too long, and the shield it grants is not very reliable. It's one aspect I wouldn't mind seeing replaced entirely.

  3. This is more about her stealth rivals then her, I REALLY wish Shaco, Rengar and Teemo had their stealth work like Eve's In that they can never damage you before you see their shadowed form and have SOME chance to respond. The argument is that their stealth isn't "permanent" but theirs double as a defensive option.

  4. WAY too many nerfs... Adding the 40 mana cost to W was the point I put my girl on the shelf for a while... I argued that it would be balanced IF it no longer broke her stealth, but this got down voted into oblivion...

Overall I still love my gal Eve! And wouldn't want to see her changed too much. Her biggest problem at the moment is that their are WAY to many champs she just can't deal with alone. (Yi or Rek'sai on the field... forget about doing anything alone post 6!)

Krigjer6 votes

I often argue against boobplate and needless sexualization of women in video games, but I love Evelynn as she is.

If they change her, I hope they keep her identity as lady of the night, but make it more classy.

Zein5 votes

Eve has been nerfed into oblivion they should just remove that assassin tag. WHATEVER she builds she cant kill anyone or be of any use to the team. But hey, her passive is strong so lets just delete all the damage from her abilities because her passive is enough to do everything.

Sèx Craved Eve5 votes

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Abyssphere5 votes

I think her theme at its core is fine - she's a succubus, which is a figure of myth and is deserving of its place in a game as any other myth. That said, the way her theme is explored is absolutely... unfortunate. She does need a rework in terms of visuals, lore and gameplay, and I'd hope that rework finds a way to make her succubus theme actually threatening rather than just kinda amusingly terrible, give her visuals that at least make her "sexy and dangerous" rather than just "trying to be sexy" and of course balance her stealth and otherwise confused kit.

High55 votes
  1. There's nothing wrong with attractive champions, male or female. Personally, I think the Tango skin is pretty cool.
  2. Eve is always great against teams that don't ward. Not sure how you make her relevant against good team warding though.
Support Evelynn3 votes

Her Hate Spike and Stealth would be the only things kept in a rework since she's had those identifying things since she was released. It wouldn't be Eve without them.

I'm rather sick of people who don't play Eve trying to put forth rework ideas for her though. Or even better yet trying to judge what's good or bad on her as an assassin.

Dominick Destine7 votes

She's technically had "Ravage" since the beginning but it has suffered some changes (On-hit application and double swing) but it has always held the same core premise; a melee ranged "AD nuke".

Hate Spike is nothing like the original Hate Spike either. Point being, she is nothing like original Evelynn.

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