High elo thoughts on AP itemization change

Poske··2 votes·547 views

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#Spellbound Orb

  • More efficient then soon to be old Ludens.

Not Particulary excited about this one since Assassins I play already dont care about movement speed as a stat (Le blanc and katarina). Good Le blanc one shots from 1200 Range and thats bigger range then a champion can see making ms pointless. Granted clone ll put an extra charge on this eventhough it casts useless ability so there is like mini synergy.

I ll probably build it in my strongest Le blanc build since its just straight up Ludens replacement. Less fitting yes but the stats on item are just better to a point where it wont matter

Katarina doesnt need more ms then 390 from experience. Its nice to be around that level for shunpo ressets but any more then that is worthless.

I suspect this item LL be good on:

  • Fizz. I think fizz ll adore Movement speed.
  • Vladimir XD spellbook nerf replacement. This is actually scarry

It wont do anything for

  • Ekko - this champion is extremly bad atm. His E is the only thing which hits high elo player. Moving backwards fks up Q his R and W never hit (even from brush)
  • Ahri - I mean you can build it but it wont feel amazing or anything.
  • Le blanc - I ll build it because Lichbane (which is Le blanc most important item if you know clone tricks) + Ludens means I dont need fking sorcs at all
  • Katarina - I probably ll only build it rarely when I back at specific price points

I can see it doing stuff on

  • Diana is not that good old ludens user yet she builds it. She cant build charges as fast Lb / kat and others can. yet this version ll probably give as much burst while being cheaper and giving mobility. This is scary Diana is feast of famine
  • Kennen pretty much same as diana except he builds it rarelier. Kennen ll really like ms

Potentional for pick of mages Veigar, Syndra, Anivia. Use it gain ms catch someone of guard. Perhaps ????

Lost chapter Buffed? XD? Wut?

There are curently 3 toxic AP items for a game (Nomicon, Lost chapter, Voidstaff) which are coincidently the strongest AP items in game you just buffed one of them

Some might add that lyandri is to good but no.. people just always back with 1500-2200 gold and guise is the only thing they can get (Lets hope this issue is fixed).

New Archangel

  • I dont see where you are going with this
  • Cost went UP by 100 gold
  • Ap went down from 80 to 50. Granted you ll gain 12 more from higher mana
  • Now it gives 20% CDR
  • No more Shield

*Cass doesnt care about CDR *Anivia cares a little about CDR. She cares alot about AP due to insane ratios (Keep in mind there are ways to double them on anivia) *Karthus ultimate cares about CDR - He cares about higher AP+shield. Granted Tear is so good on karthus .... we ll see *Ryze cares about CDR + MANA scallings POG champ + he ll mind the least about shield removal (since he has shield) *Kassadin ehm cares a lil about CDR has MANA scallings POG champ + he has half a shied so sort of cares about shield removal *I ussualy dont like when items build out of 3 components but since this is a first item you get its fine

There is massive MANA gain spike on other items tho which is a synergy buff. But granted you wont build lots of those mana items.. along with this

New Ludens It changed dramaticly. 80 ap, 500 MANA 20% CDR, same passive

They bassicly want use to choose one of the 3

Well i am gonna go ahead and say Everyone ll choose new GLP if nothing changes

  • Costs 200 gold less Huge +
  • Has the best buildpath. Do People have any idea how good having this item in buildpath is item 3145
  • This is season 8 teamfights last 5 seconds (This is a seperate issue). 2 Ludens proc have value of 1 Glp proc

GLP fixes mana issues just like the others (Others 2 overdue it on 99% champions) so dont bother mentioning that as any relevant point I know very much what 500 mana + lost chapter ll do that translates to no mana issues on 99% champions, if not more

I also dont think Archangel synergizing with other AP items ll be to relevant since early game > lategame. there is also unique passive on 10% CDR so you probably wont build this 2 along with archangel which would give you 15 extra AP from 500 mana.

New Lyandri I honestly dont know

Well Magic pen vs % dmg increase

%dmg increase works with Brand passive but magic pen already does. I dont feel like doing a math. We ll see how hard brand ll like it . I dont think much ll change.

New Morrelo

  • Noob bait no good player ll ever build it. Calling it now. Well if grevious is like 75% then maybe (but assuming its not since thats toxic)
  • The mana is irelevant since all the 3 items fix mana issues. Extra 9 ap to archangel is irelevant Correct way of looking at this item is

It gives roughly 100-110 ap (depending what MR value you are reducing) + grevious for 3k gold.

This item should be niche but it ll end up being ohmwrecker level of niche in high elo.

Twin Shadow

  • Ekko ll build this 100% of time. (Ekko need some changes tho).
  • I ll choose either this or the other new item for Lb over boots (might change per game depending on price points).
  • I honestly have no idea which one Vlad players ll end up getting XD. Wouldnt be surprised if they get both or this one if behind.
  • Brings down stealth champions a notch which is a good thing (almost all of those are overperforming).
  • Again perhaps pick of cc mages ll like it

So far I like this item inclusion the most out of all changes

Voidstaff and Rabadon Riot are handling this items incorrectly (LL post more in concerns).

I am glad they learned rylai should never be strong LAUGHS in azir.

Overall I am Excited about this changes. But Of course I Have some rants to Here are my main concerns.

  • GLP > outclasses the other 2. You learnt your lesson about rylai fking up melees HI GLP hiiiiiiHIIIIIIII HI. Also hi twin shadow
  • This rework was clearly done by ryze/kassadin main (Dont even lie about this balance team is full of ryze mains). Anyway slight bias.
  • Voidstaff is to efficient overall not just against squishies (same with Last whisper) This 2 items are extremly toxic for balance.
  • Lost chapter buffed and arguably builds in better nomicons XD. Granted atleast we have alternatives or do we Nope GLP meta.
  • Rabadon build path and price are extremly annoying. Rabadon needs more massive changes then 5% more.
  • 15% CDR. are you scared of middle point 15% for fk sake Clean number Disease. I ll never agree with going away from 15%.
  • Finally another ~ 1500 Gold item (orb of shadow) Maybe guise wont be the only option after backing midgame oh wait it only builds in trash item.
  • Seraph lost its shield. I am sure this ll piss of anivia mains and those 2 karthus players.
  • The way I see it once GLP is balanced you only changed first it diversity. What about NTH item diversity.
  • Nothing cool!!!!! Other mobas laugh they actually have cool unique items. We just have slows on 40 items and stopwatch

Yes we should have % pen items but the % are at such INSANE INSAAAAAAAAAAANE I CANNOT STRETCH THIS ENOUGH VALUES. WAY TO FKIGN INSANE VALUES

This would be my voidstaff Blasting wand + blasting wand (100% better buldpath) + X gold = 2200 gold 95 AP +25% Magic pen

Why?

  • More accessible due to it being 400 gold cheapear. (It is a counter item)
  • No tilting build path. Seriously the fact that I need around 1300 gold to fuse it tilts me, The fact that I have to get tome while my build is crowded also tilts me BLASTING WAND + BLASTING WAND IS JUST BETTER.
  • Healthy %. A tank with 4 mr items shouldnt be worthless because you built voidstaff.

The armor and MR as a stats are at horrible state Void and Lw HAVE ALOT TO DO WITH IT

They are Op Early game (example old runes cloth/mantle after first back) Noob bait late game. Example xayah 4-5 hitting a tank within 2 seconds (PERHAPS 3)

Ever seen a tank melt? yes all the time? Well hi to item 3035 item 3135

Sorry but if you invest into 5 tank items THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE FKING TANKY AND NOT NEGATED BY A SINGLE FKING ITEM

Once tanks START BEING TANKY we can reduce their burst. AND THERE everyone is happy.

INB4 someone mentions some tanky champion which has %dmg reduction ability. Yes this is A Riot answer to shit MR and ARMOR formulas with voidstaff and LW existance. PUT %DMG reduction on every rework. This is one of the reasons why bruisers are garbage except J4 which abuses %dmg reduction stoneplate and duskblade and Well Cammile which was overbuffed ).

9 Comments

Diamond2Kappa1 votes

I doubt Fizz cares about move speed either tbh. Spellbound is most likely just gonna be good on the tank burst mages like Ryze Cassio and Vlad.

Lost Chapter is technically buffed but its a first item so a cost increase is a pretty big nerf.

This rework was clearly done by ryze/kassadin main

dont forget Cass mains kek

Still sad ap assassins got nothing in the assassin update and more or less nothing in the ap item update. LB rushes gunblade and other "assassins" rush Protobelt for some damage but its fine lul

Poske1 votes

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I doubt Fizz cares about move speed either tbh. Spellbound is most likely just gonna be good on the tank burst mages like Ryze Cassio and Vlad.

I think he does you hit a fish use this get lots of AP and MS. Nuke a target and get out with E. The idea is that he can be a less of a diver with it due to potentional escapes. I think he definetly cares more then other assassins

Lost Chapter is technically buffed but its a first item so a cost increase is a pretty big nerf.

Ugh perhaps XD. Idk. They have faster CDR access but fix their mana issues slightly later due to gold. I think its a buff because combination is still cheap.

dont forget Cass mains kek

I dont think there are many cass mains in Riot. After all they globally buffed MR and then buffed Sorcs XD recenlty.

Still sad ap assassins got nothing in the assassin update and more or less nothing in the ap item update. LB rushes gunblade and other "assassins" rush Protobelt for some damage but its fine lul

Best Le blancs dont rush Gunblade Best Le blancs abuse the fact that they can proc item 3145 twice due to clone

I never fuse Revolver until I get Ludens and Lichbane (should be obvious why I build this with the info I gave you )

And even then specially since recently due to ravenous hunter (gunblade lost spellwamp niche) I never ever fuse revolver in gunblade. its always protobelt it used to be 90/10 split in favor of proto

I had #1 LB world status (4 different sites) not so long like 9-10 months ago

Maybe assassins ll like new twin shadow

Diamond2Kappa1 votes

Twin Shadows seems pretty op with 80 ap for 2400 gold so they will probably like it. Especially Fizz because slow -> ult, so he wouldnt really need the move speed from Spellbound.

Everyone in pro play rushes Gunblade, would you say they would do better if they didnt upgrade it? It does give a slow for her E and stuff.

Poske1 votes

If I could transfer my Le blanc knowledge to Pros she would be Pro viable. For example Faker is horrendous le blanc

Gunblade is strictly incorrect rush

This is what I do instead

Revolver > sheen > Nlr. You also save 50 gold

I wont even talk about how building long swords and cutlass is nothing of a powerspike and borderline trolling even the end point of my build is** better**

You end with 100 AP > 80 10% CDR > 0 No mana issues (Le blanc has so low mana costs that lichbane + cookies is how i fix it nomicon mana stuff are overkill anyway)

Idk at what level people finish gunblade but stats say at 15 min mark so lets assume level 9

Gunblade does 175-253 +0.3 AP dmg

Hextech revolver Clone proc combo at level 9 does 85 X 2 = 170 Sheen with clone proc combo at level 9 78.5 X 2 = 157

170 + 157 = 327 Aka more then gunblade

And this would keep going in favor of my build Revolver at level 18 does (though I fuse it before) 250 damage gunblade does 3 more XD This is assuming both you and clone proc sheen twice. More realistic scenario is you procing sheen twice in a combo + clone once (3times)

Suddendly building mr is bad into le blanc. Lots of times assassins get that broken hexdrinker and then die to sheen abuse

Revolver and sheen cooldown are independed on your clone. Sheen has naturaly low cooldown anyway (compared to gunblade)

Sheen rush can also devastate kassadin matchup which is impossible any other way

You lose out on AD which is a stat Le blanc doesnt scale with You lose out on lifesteal. Again you dont care You lose out on spellwamp. I used to care in 10% cases when I had no ocean drake / healer and I was up against poke comp

But ravenous hunter at 5 stacks gives you 15% spellwamp.. more then enough

The slow is irelevant I dont even need E to one shot.

Twin shadow sounds like Vladimir wet dream CDR + AP + MS + Twin shadow active +

Other then that glad we got it

Due to it being cheaper Ludens it ll probably replace ludens in my LB build

Diamond2Kappa1 votes

Sounds like something I should try hehe But my clone always walks away without attacking so I have to control it, dats too hard for me :[

meowwow71 votes

wait they are removing the active shield from item 3048 ?

Poske1 votes

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wait they are removing the active shield from item 3048 ?

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Well I dont see it listed on item picture If Riot made an Error with writing then Yeah I guess seraph ll compete with GLP

wildfox991 votes

New Archangel . . . No more Shield

what?

they didn't remove it

btw this item will be OP on stuff like orianna/syndra/veigar

New Morrelo

  • Noob bait no good player ll ever build it. Calling it now. Well if grevious is like 75% then maybe (but assuming its not since thats toxic)
  • The mana is irelevant since all the 3 items fix mana issues. Extra 9 ap to archangel is irelevant Correct way of looking at this item is

It gives roughly 100-110 ap (depending what MR value you are reducing) + grevious for 3k gold.

while i agree this item is a bit too weak,grevious doesn't have a threshold anymore so every time you deal magic damage you apply it

and it give no mana but HP


i agree on glp800,but i think the problem is that they gave it too much range but the active feels bad to use,projectiles are too slow

Mizuno1 votes

I like the buildpath you propose for Voidstaff but your price for it doesn't make any sense. 95 ap is worth 2066 gold so 2200 gold total is way too cheap. The item's identity should always revolve more around magic pen rather than ap because other items already offer ap. Personally I would like the item to be 2 blasting wands + 800 gold for a total of 2500 gold, and it could offer 80 ap and 30% magic pen, close to how it is right now but better buildpath.

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