Either change it to a scaling per-level sunfire effect. or slap that on in addition to her current Sunlight passive. Just put her in the jungle, shes too susceptible to bot lane countermatchups and has a jungle viable kit/build paths already.
And let her Zenith Blade to large monsters.
boricCentaur14 votesShe's a support deal with it. All your doing is hurting the people that actually play her since NO ONE that plays hers wants this.
You have to also remove basically half of her cc to move her from support since she will be fucking broken if she would jg or lane.
Also adding damage IS NOT WANT LEO NEEDS and goes against her play style she is a cc bot and nothing else.
Fargo791 votesShe's a support deal with it. All your doing is hurting the people that actually play her since NO ONE that plays hers wants this.
You have to also remove basically half of her cc to move her from support since she will be fucking broken if she would jg or lane.
Also adding damage IS NOT WANT LEO NEEDS and goes against her play style she is a cc bot and nothing else.
do whats the difference between say the kits of Leo and Naut? not much.. in fact he has more CC the Leo does.. High damage output scales off of HP for his shield that does AOE like sunfire cap while active.. I used to play Leo ALOT but last season and this i have really touched her much.. changing something like letting her clear a jungle camp faster or even letting her dash to large jungle minions wont break her kit.. Other then a kill lane Leo brings NOTHING to a lane or late game team fight.. cause Late game she is either babysitting her adc.. or she is so behind in gold and EXP that she doesnt have the items to engage and matter..
Pika Fox3 votesSounds more like you just cant play leona.
PhearBunny1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5eMQ3RsB,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-06-14T12:56:39.056+0000)
Sounds more like you just cant play leona.
Playing Leona anywhere above Gold is a vastly different scenario than playing Leona below Gold. I can stomp sub-gold players all day long as Leona. Anywhere on the map, in any role. Any player above Gold knows how to exploit Leonas glaring weakness(Her E, and her "all-in" nature). heres an example of what a Gold+ player would do vs Leona. Lux vs Leona bot lane. Leona should win from your view, right? Since Lux is soft and immobile. Easy target. Well, no. A gold+ Lux is going to sit on her root CD and wait for Leona to begin her INCREDIBLY SLOW Zenith Blade or ultimate animation, and use that as her que to cast her root in Leonas direction. this 100% guarentees that you cancel her E(Zenith Blade) or make her unable to followup on landing her ultimate. it also makes Leona a useless sitting duck for the next 12 seconds, leaving you a large window of time to do whatever you want.
Pika Fox4 votesPlaying Leona anywhere above Gold is a vastly different scenario than playing Leona below Gold. I can stomp sub-gold players all day long as Leona. Anywhere on the map, in any role. Any player above Gold knows how to exploit Leonas glaring weakness(Her E, and her "all-in" nature). heres an example of what a Gold+ player would do vs Leona. Lux vs Leona bot lane. Leona should win from your view, right? Since Lux is soft and immobile. Easy target. Well, no. A gold+ Lux is going to sit on her root CD and wait for Leona to begin her INCREDIBLY SLOW Zenith Blade or ultimate animation, and use that as her que to cast her root in Leonas direction. this 100% guarentees that you cancel her E(Zenith Blade) or make her unable to followup on landing her ultimate. it also makes Leona a useless sitting duck for the next 12 seconds, leaving you a large window of time to do whatever you want.
Again, sounds more like you just cant play leona, since there are leona mains in high diamond.
Akenero2 votesWe don't need Leona as a jungler. And giving her constant aoe would mean she's always pushing waves. Not always a good thing
Fargo792 votesSo we leave her Pigeon holed as a VERY vulnerable tank/support? Other then her CC and her VERY minor passive she has nothing that calls her a support.. Meanwhile other supports like Kench, can flourish in numerous roles without giving up anything.. Moving Leo to the jungle? why not.. might freshen up the jungle comps.. a small change to her kit to allow this isnt going to make her OP.. and if it puts her more on the OP side then people just ban her.. Christ Morg gets a small change to her ulti and she is almost a permaban..
PhearBunny1 votesWe dont NEED Leona anywhere. the champ roster is huge....the purpose of the sunfire passive would be so that she doesnt waste a significant amount of time clearing Wraiths and Golems on her first clear, and then just to add a little bit of sustained dps onto her damage. We DEFINITELY dont need her in a support slot.
*replied to the wrong guy. woops.
PhearBunny1 votesEvery Leona main doesnt even play Leona anymore. You would need a full premade dedicated to banning her extensive list of hard counters just to even make her a viable support choice. the only reason Leona even sees gameplay in the botlane is because she is the easiest support to pick up and play. Her kit is extremely binary and mechanicless, shes VERY easy to play and is the most played autofill support as a result. Doesnt change the fact that shes a terrible version of Alistar.
Also...you already can jungle as Leona...and it isnt broken. You on drugs? you really think a scaling by level sunfire effect(properly tuned) would add a significant enough amount of damage to make her a godtier duelist? Really?....The main purpose of it would be to finish off targets hit with E/W+Talisman burn. Not for combative purposes. Exclusively for clearing purposes.
i could go over what Leona needs inorder to be viable in the support slot if youd like. -unstoppable on her E. -Faster missle speed on her E. -percentage mitigation on her W
id be okay with this as well. I just want to be able to competitively play my main champion. Idc where tbh.
*shes already capable of jungling at a B Tier level. Shes currently a better jungler than she is a support. She clears 1.4seconds faster than Nocturne on a full first clear. Currently. The main reason i actually want a sunfire effect on her, is to force her out of botlane(because the sunfire would shove lanes)and encourage players to play her where she is functioning rather than where she isnt functioning. You could honestly just make her Zenith Blade capable of latching onto large Monsters and that would be enough of a buff to make her an A tier jungler. Id tune the sunfire very conservatively cuz she doesnt really need it. Like at lvl 1, 2damage per second(+100% to monsters).
PhearBunny1 votesyeah and both(IK that whole whopping two people) of them have below a 50% wr. Lol. Thats called getting carried/lucking to your rank. Also, one of them only has 2 Leona games played above Plat. The other has 17% of games above plat played as Leona.(39.87% winrate on Leona)
sooooooooooooooo....
upon closer inspection, they pretty much both exclusively only are playing Leona in unranked games.