Is full-AD-crit Rengar considered bad for gameplay health?

darkdill··3 votes·1,558 views

Whenever I face a Critgar, I'm left wanting to smash that player's face into some concrete. Even if you see that "!" mark over your head, you have less than half a second to do something when he jumps or you're automatically dead if you're a squishy. It's not just the Q spam that'll get you, but the fact that he'll have an Infinity Edge crit and loads of bonus attack speed tied to it. Your only hope is to have someone like Alistar next to you when he does to peel him. And no, a Zhonya's won't work because you'll be dead before your input even registers, or he'll just kill you after you come out of it.

Even if you do have someone who can peel, I find it obnoxious when he builds so much AD and kills you in 2 hits, when other assassin's can't claim to do the same thing. Can something be done about his crit builds? Maybe make his Q crits not deal 1.5k?

EDIT: If you need more proof...

https://youtu.be/yW_st2H2Y2Y

Thanks for the link, Bussinessbacca.

12 Comments

Earl Eulrich4 votes

yea, whenever i see those 2,3k dmg within 0,4sec deathlogs and they feel apprpriate it´s rengar...it´s ridiculous how they gut eve, while she still has an insane amount of counterplay compared to critgar.

CreationFlaw2 votes

The awkward moment when Rengar is just a better talon.

Rustling Bush1 votes

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now do your check list

are you alone? - yes are you squishy? - yes is the jungle completely unwarded? - yes are you in a bushy area? yes is rengar on your map? nope

then hes most certainly comming for you, hes going to pick off the easiest target which is you, take some precautions if your going in to split push, i imagine critgar sacrifices the little bit of sustain ad rengar has, its a matter of if you warded in a way that he can't surprise you then a few hits should kill him as easily as the few hits of his would kill you, if ur the adc or mage then you have the range over him.

i mean leblanc can do the same thing and return to her previous spot to she isn't considered cancer.

darkdill3 votes

Are you trying to ward when Rengar's already beat you to the punch? Yes? Then you're automatically ambushed.

You don't even need to be alone for him to autokill you. He could just wait until your team is forced to fight his, and then attack you.

Rustling Bush1 votes

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Are you trying to ward when Rengar's already beat you to the punch? Yes? Then you're automatically ambushed.

but it would be better to ward where a enemy warded, if you didn't then they would have vision of you while you'd be blind to them.

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Are you trying to ward when Rengar's already beat you to the punch? Yes? Then you're automatically ambushed.

You don't even need to be alone for him to autokill you. He could just wait until your team is forced to fight his, and then attack you.

and then what? hes going to be stuck with 4 people on his ass and no way out. you do know the point of a assassin is get in and kill the squishy, get out as fast as you can. how it different from Talon

darkdill1 votes

The point is that they're already there when you're trying to ward. You get jumped and die for trying to ward, and can't get vision of your jungle otherwise.

Also, Talon doesn't get a huge AS boost and +10% AD bonus from his Q, while Rengar does. Talon's also not manaless.

SlytherinUmbreon1 votes

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i mean leblanc can do the same thing and return to her previous spot to she isn't considered cancer.\

Rip, your credibility is dead to me.

Rustling Bush1 votes

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Rip, your credibility is dead to me.

why :(

SlytherinUmbreon1 votes

Leblanc isn't Cancer. She's way past Cancer.

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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Earl Eulrich1 votes

yea...because makroplay is always available in SoloQ as everyone constantly tries as ahrd as possible to play as a unit *cough*

in reality you would even have serious issues deal with a good ad-rengar in a professional 5v5 if they play around their rengar well enough, initiating the fights to give him the opportunity to come in from the flank, no matteryour warding. And if you ever fall behind and lose out on the vision battle more and more it just gets incredible easy...there´s just no bullshit "makroplay" that stops his snowballing or his potential to onehit. It´s a highly toxic mechanic that really shouldnßt be in the game.

Calabok1 votes

gonna need that Z - Powa!

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