Wait, wtf, why is Kayle's heal better than Soraka's? Like a Wookie on Endor, that makes no sense.

IvernBramblefoot··1 votes·947 views

Lets break it down!

Kayle's range on her heal is 900, she can self target, it doesn't cost 10% of her health, it has higher base heal as early as rank 3, and it gives an 18-30% movement speed bonus for three seconds, and that even scales off of every 100 ap for an extra 7% MS per 100.

Comparatively, Soraka's heal costs slightly less mana, 60-100, starts out stronger than Kayle's heal at rank 1-2, has a CD that goes all the way down to 2 seconds, compared to Kayle's flat 15 seconds, and scales a bit better, Kayle's heal is 45% AP, Soraka's is 60%.

Problem is that Soraka's heal cost 10% of her health so unless you like.................Rush Warmogs...and then a giants belt or two, you have no way of consistently applying yourself outside of dropping Q's, problem there is Soraka's range is not incredible, and when she fires them out at max range they drop quite slowly. She's not useless until she uses Equinox, then she actually is pretty useless as she can't heal, she will put herself at death's door, her health is too low to risk going in to drop a Q, her equinox and ult are on cooldown...literally all she can do at that point is just go back. she's essentially dead at that point, lol.

Soraka's ult heal scales pretty poorly, whereas Kayle's ult just gets better with time because it blocks more as people get stronger. Soraka's ult heal does not keep up with the Jeffersons.

Overall, looking outside of just healing, they are pretty close. Equinox is an extremely powerful ability, it shuts down quite a few ults, and Starcaller (if that's what its called? Soraka's q) with Astral Infusion makes your lane have endless sustain. Thing is, Kayle's ult is way better, her Q is a lot stronger in a fight than 'raka's Q, I'd say Kayle's heal is better because raka's heal hurts her and she can't even heal herself, so having to have 2750 health+Warmogs really fucks up Soraka's support build badly, or else you end up essentially "killing yourself" by healing people who would for-real die, Kayle's passive peels off armor and MR, plus she's a lot better at knocking down turrets than 'raka.

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Death by Glamour2 votes

Fights generally dont last long enought for the heal hp cost to be that much of an issue, remember she has her ult and redemption to self sustain in teamfights not just her q.

Besides if they target soraka in a teamfight that means the adc has had atleast 3 seconds of damage onto a target so its a win win overall

IvernBramblefoot1 votes

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Fights generally dont last long enought for the heal hp cost to be that much of an issue, remember she has her ult and redemption to self sustain in teamfights not just her q.

Besides if they target soraka in a teamfight that means the adc has had atleast 3 seconds of damage onto a target so its a win win overall

this is really not true, though. Fights constantly last long enough for the hp cost to be an issue both in bot lane and in team fights. I heal more than one person, so the hp cost is always an issue. I heal the jungler when I leash him. The HP cost is an issue even at level 1 at the very beginning of the game.

If they target soraka in a team fight she dies instantly and then she can't heal, its not a win-win at all. It's a total loss to the team because now they don't have equinox or heals. You're just completely wrong. Nothing you said is factual or accurate, even the thing about her ult and redemption for sustain? those abilities are on a BIG cooldown. why would you think that's sustain when she's constantly hitting herself in the face for 10% of her health? It's not nearly enough.

Death by Glamour1 votes

No they dont an early leona or alistar all in will kill your carry with ignite and aftershock, you heal will likely be on a 6 second cd so as a said the health cost wont effect the outcome of that fight.

She dies quickly if she builds squishy, alot of good tank support items work well on soraka

Locket knights vow even a frozen heart

With all due respect you are the one who has no idea what they are talking about.

Tristanl0l2 votes

Because Kayle isn't a dedicated healer so her once a fight 15 second cooldown heal had better feel impactful.

IvernBramblefoot1 votes

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Because Kayle isn't a dedicated healer so her once a fight 15 second cooldown heal had better feel impactful.

yeah nobody builds CD on support kayle. :| it isn't every 15 seconds, and meanwhile, it doesn't hit Kayle in the face for 10% health, AND she can actually gasp heal herself

Tristanl0l1 votes

Here's a thought, don't play support Kayle.

IvernBramblefoot1 votes

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Here's a thought, don't play support Kayle.

its actually stronger than 'raka support because it doesn't hit her in the face for 10% of her hp every time.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Higher cooldown and weaker heal.

IvernBramblefoot1 votes

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Higher cooldown and weaker heal.

the CD is higher, but if you actually read my post instead of responding without reading, you'd know that Kayle's base heal is actually stronger than Soraka's past its third rank. It's also just better, it doesn't hurt kayle, it gives a ton of MS to the target. soraka's heal does scale better by about 15% as I covered in my original post, but Soraka builds as a support, not as an ap mage so the difference there is going to be minimal. Meanwhile, the low CD on Soraka's heal just ends up killing her due to the constant 10% hits to her face until she can get warmogs+2750 health.

AirKingNeo1 votes

Kayle doesn't build as an AP mage either. She's an onhit, attack speed carry.

Dark Nephthys1 votes

Kayle's heal has a much higher CD than Soraka and while it is true that she could build CDR and lower it down to like 9 Seconds with max CDR, it's still like 4x slower than the 2 second CD that Soraka has on her heal. Also Kayle isn't as much seen as a support, she is usually seen Top/Mid as an AP-attack speed hybrid type of champion, so really doesn't get max CDR usually. Most Kayle's I see build something like item 3115 item 3124 and sometimes item 3100 item 3085 or item 3146 in which case, she doesn't always have max CDR and even if she did Soraka can almost heal a target 5 times in the span of Kayle's CD. And most of the time the heal is the last thing Kayle maxes to, so it needs to feel impactful when she does put points into it.

IvernBramblefoot1 votes

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Kayle's heal has a much higher CD than Soraka and while it is true that she could build CDR and lower it down to like 9 Seconds with max CDR, it's still like 4x slower than the 2 second CD that Soraka has on her heal. Also Kayle isn't as much seen as a support, she is usually seen Top/Mid as an AP-attack speed hybrid type of champion, so really doesn't get max CDR usually. Most Kayle's I see build something like item 3115 item 3124 and sometimes item 3100 item 3085 or item 3146 in which case, she doesn't always have max CDR and even if she did Soraka can almost heal a target 5 times in the span of Kayle's CD. And most of the time the heal is the last thing Kayle maxes to, so it needs to feel impactful when she does put points into it.

except all it takes is five heals and failing to dodge just one singular poke attack and you're on the Highway To the Danger Zone; all it takes then is one good shot like Cait's ult or even Varus's Q... and you're respawning. I don't know why Kayle isn't a support, her Ult makes the ADC invincible, her base heal is stronger than Raka's at rank 3, she gives MS, she peels off up to 15% Armor and MR, and she doesn't constantly hit herself in the face for 10% of her max health

Dark Nephthys1 votes

Kayle isn't a support because she has way more scaling then most ADCs and honestly is better off ulting herself than her ADC (outside a few ADCs) and she has everything she needs to be a massive damage threat that picks up like crazy after 2-3 items. Also while that is true that a lot of heals is taxing on Soraka, the fact that she gets to use her heal so many times makes her very good as a healer, not just for the ADC but the whole team as she can run around and keeping healing different people which is a lot compared to Kayle who basically heals 1 person per team fight.

That's also not to mention that Soraka also has her ultimate which is a very strong heal to everyone + she gets a lot of benefit from item 3107 item 3504 as you have way more heals to work with (for Ardent) while if you went Kayle support she would only be able to get 1 person with Ardent because of her higher CD heal (not sure if Kayle ult counts for Ardent or not. I don't think it does).

You also didn't mention the other passive from landing Soraka's Q which gives rejuvenation which she can give to her allies to further increase her healing. Yes it's not much more healing but with the low CDs from Q and W when ranked up, it can add up.

Jobriq1 votes

Kayle's heal sucks until she actually has some AP tho

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

I don't think we're playing the same game here

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