@Riot Banning Teammates intended picks needs to come with a punishment

Great Muta··7 votes·759 views

I had a 100% Winrate with Yasuo before today. I don't win every matchup, but I get 6-8 farm a minute and end up carrying on that.

In 2 of 3 queues today, my own teammates banned Yasuo, even though I was first and second pick.

I shouldn't have to dodge for people trolling me and I shouldn't be forced to play or take a penalty when a teammate tries to screw me.

There needs to be a punishment for banning intended picks.

45 Comments

I am Pacman5 votes

How about we just ban yasou every game regarless of pick intent. Oh wait that already happens because he is really fucking annoying to play against. Deal with it and have a backup ready.

Great Muta1 votes

Pick Olaf or Poppy. They crap all over him.

BeatzBoyFTW2 votes

Fun fact: No one plays them. Only Yasuos no matter what, and that's why I still ban him.

Great Muta1 votes

I could have sworn I saw both in LCS. Oh well, what do pros know compared to Bronzies?

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

I'm referring to public servers. It's like not seeing anyone playing Rumble except Worlds.

Aptest1 votes

here is why I would ban yasuo:

I would like **YOU **to play Olaf or Poppy.

#NeedATank

Theorchero4 votes

No.

You can make post after post asking for this, but it never will be implemented, ever, because that restricts people from banning champions that are overpowered but they aren't likely to be able to pick.

I'm also not inclined to let someone on my team play Ivern the first day of his release in ranked either.

Great Muta1 votes

I'm also not inclined to let someone on my team play Ivern the first day of his release in ranked either.

Well, this is an issue that's also been requested and never fulfilled for a long time. I literally just destroyed a top lane Ivern with a Shyvana. Any sustain or countering wipes him.

Oleandervine3 votes

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Well, this is an issue that's also been requested and never fulfilled for a long time. I literally just destroyed a top lane Ivern with a Shyvana. Any sustain or countering wipes him.

Ivern is a Jungler/Support mage. He is not intended to be in a solo lane, and DEFINITELY not intended to go solo in top. You destroyed him because he struggles to solo against anything that isn't Janna, Soraka, or Lulu.

{quoted} I'm also not inclined to let someone on my team play Ivern the first day of his release in ranked either.

Especially this for Ivern. He's so unique in how he plays, that typical jungler mains will use him completely wrong. He's not intended to be a gank to kill jungler, his ganks offer the laner the opportunity to land easy kills. He needs to be played by Support mains, not jungler mains, and so many people are going to have that rude awakening.

Great Muta2 votes

Ivern is a Jungler/Support mage. He is not intended to be in a solo lane, and DEFINITELY not intended to go solo in top.

Yes, I know that.

The point I made though was that new champs should be banned from ranked for a few days after release. I'm really not interested in discussing Ivern.

DrCyanide3 votes

But it is one example where a champion should be banned regardless of ally pick intent.

Another situation is when a champion is significantly overpowered. It's not too hard to imagine people queuing as Support, hovering some super OP champion, and refusing to move away from it so the team can ban it unless someone swaps roles with them.

Once you've got that going on, it's not unthinkable for someone to hover a hard counter to an allies pick, just to spite them or try and make them lose lane.

In the end, a punishment/prevention for banning ally hovers is probably going to cause more problems than it solves.

Zykklon B4 votes

I will ban Yasuo always

Great Muta1 votes

Why? Poppy, Olaf and a good Panth take a crap all over him and Yas sucks against ganks.

Nameless Voice1 votes

Stop repeating the same bad excuse over and over. Maybe people don't want to have to play Poppy, Olaf or Pantheon? Or, gods forbid, they want to be able to play a mage mid and actually have fun.

Great Muta1 votes

Or, gods forbid, they want to be able to play a mage mid and actually have fun.

The don't complain when you lose.

Great Muta1 votes

Or, gods forbid, they want to be able to play a mage mid and actually have fun.

You trying to rank up or have fun?

Nik Nikerson2 votes

Both.

Great Muta1 votes

GL with that. I'm sure it's always party time at the SKT house.

Nik Nikerson1 votes

That's because, for the members of SKT, it's their job. They get paid to win games of league. If I were good enough for someone to pay me money to play league, yeah, it would be business and I would be less concerned about having a good time. But I'm not a professional player, and I never will be. So I play League for fun. I want to win games, and I'd like to see my rank improve. But if I'm not having a good time doing so, what is the point? There isn't ever going to be any sort of payoff outside of a border on my loading screen, a free skin (if I'm good enough), and bragging rights. None of that pays my bills, or improves my life, and realistically means anything in the grand scheme of things. So why wouldn't I want to spend my free time enjoying myself?

I already have a job, I don't need a second one that doesn't pay me anything. I have better things to do with my limited time than waste it on something I'm not enjoying.

S0kaX3 votes

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Great Muta1 votes

Pick Poppy or Olaf. Both beat him easy and the goal is to win.

S0kaX1 votes

What about fizz or Zed, have counters to those?

Great Muta1 votes

Don't know. I don't play mid. If you wanna ask me about Junglers and Tops I can help.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

When dealing with Zed, I don't really bother counterpicking and just adjust my build on certain mages.

Summoner Spells: Exhaust/Flash Runes: AP Quints, Hybrid Pen Marks, Scaling Armor Seals, Scaling CDR Glyphs Items: item 1056 item 1056 item 3191 item 3027 item 3158 item 3157

This provides 40% CDR, decent armor and health and stasis. While the damage is a little lower than an offensive build, the durability lets me survive the laning phase and leaves me pretty difficult to kill throughout the match.

XinZhao2WinNhao2 votes

There is a higher chance that your last pick who actually wants a champ will get the champ than the enemy to get the champ, because you know what, no matter how popular a champ seems, there are 125 more champs that the enemy's 5 players can choose from, meaning that there is a 1/25 chance that the enemy will pick a certain champ, for example, yasuo.

EndlessSorcerer3 votes

Half the reason for banning Yasuo is to avoid an enemy picking it.

The other half is to avoid an ally picking it.

Great Muta2 votes

You can always pick Poppy or Olaf into him. Either one just wrecks him.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

I don't care about beating Yasuo myself. Many of my picks (i.e. Renekton, Poppy, Irelia, Jayce, CC-tank junglers) work rather well against him anyways (though the Phantom Dancer -> Frozen Mallet build is still a pain to deal with).

If the Yasuo is my opponent, I don't trust my team not to feed him since many don't know how to deal with him. If Yasuo is my ally, I don't trust him not to feed since he is an easy target for junglers while having a lot of bad match-ups.

Either way, I would prefer not having him in the game. Not only are Yasuo players rather unreliable, many of them are toxic or insist on solo-carrying and I would rather not deal with them.

Great Muta2 votes

Well that's an issue you have to work out. As much as we all hate him, he can be beaten and he's not going anywhere. Banning your teammates picks increases the chances of getting trolled and losing.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Considering how many Yasuo players feed and troll anyways (on my team or the enemy team), leaving him unbanned wouldn't change much in that regard.

If I have a ban, I can use it on any champion for any reason. Considering there has been talk of each player getting a ban next season (for a total of 10), then I'll always have a ban available to remove him.

Yasuo has a 66% ban rate in Plat+ at the moment and has for quite a while; they should be used to it by this point.

Heck, it may even hit 80% or 90% next season since people will have enough to ban the FotM picks and Yasuo rather than having to choose between them.

XinZhao2WinNhao2 votes

Why would you use a ban to troll your own teammate instead of, idk, you know, actually banning a champ that the enemy might play, you know, like it's supposed to be?

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

I use a ban to remove a champion I don't want in the game from the game.

That is what they exist for.

As for why, it is a combination of crushing enemy Yasuo players (tilting them and making them rage) and having ally Yasuo players feed (tilting them and making them rage).

I dislike the champion and their stereotypical player-base and would like to avoid it altogether.

XinZhao2WinNhao2 votes

"I dislike the champion and their stereotypical player-base and would like to avoid it altogether." That sounds like a certain presidential candidate that I dislike for a good reason.

Also why would you want to make your own allies feed and tilt because they can't play their main? This is a TEAM GAME. It's not all about you. If you intentionally ban a champ knowing a teammate will pick it, and they don't know how to play their new champ and end up losing lane/not ganking (if they're a jg), you deserve to lose.

I don't think there should be a punishment for banning a teammate champ. I think the system should just not let you do it. As in you can't click to ban a champ once your teammate declared. That way people who accidentally ban teammate champs (I sometimes do) don't have to be punished, but players will also not be able to blatantly troll a teammate by banning their main.

Aptest1 votes

Not only are Yasuo players rather unreliable, many of them are toxic or insist on solo-carrying and I would rather not deal with them.

Consider this: you get a replacement CHAMPION, not a replacement TEAM MATE.

[zombie-nunu-tears]

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

A significant portion of it is Yasuo's design since he is rather feast-or-famine at times.

Yasuo is a champion without ranged harass, ranged farming tools or waveclear or non-conditional escapes. As such, he has to be within melee-range of the minions to properly farm or fight, which exposes him to his opponent and can leave him overextended against the enemy jungler. If he falls behind, he tends to get screwed for the rest of laning phase against competent opponents.

If they aren't playing Yasuo, then a significant portion of that may be rendered moot since their new champion would have fallback patterns and lack some of the above weaknesses. Since they are no longer getting stomped or have alternative fallback patterns, they are less likely to be toxic since they can still be useful.

Also, while not the intent of doing so or something to encourage, it can have the side effect of helping to screen out toxic teammates during Champion Select. If the player decides to rage, troll-pick or ban another ally's pick intent over pettiness or revenge, it can serve as a good indicator that they are a toxic player.

Honestly, I would much prefer learning about that during Champion Select (where I have the option of dodging) than after I am stuck in-game with them.

GaleWinUnleashed3 votes

It goes with the territory when you play a champion that many players find highly annoying, especially when said champion is also popular enough that there are a large number of very bad players using it. Try letting your team know as soon as possible that you plan to play Yasuo. Politely inform them that you are experienced with his matchups. If it doesn't work, then you did the best you could; you'll simply have to pick a different champion this time.

On a different topic, please don't imply that you can be "forced" to dodge a queue/lobby. It is and always has been a choice. Choosing the lesser (highly subjective) of two poor options does not make the choice a good one. You can never be blamed for choosing to play out a game instead of dodging it (not the same as refusing to surrender), but dodging is always your own fault.

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L0ve Is Blue2 votes

Sorry but I prefer not taking a chance of facing a broken champ just so you can play it.

Great Muta1 votes

Poppy, Olaf and a decent Panth take a crap all over him.

L0ve Is Blue2 votes

good shit for them I still don't wanna play against those fuckers

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

I honestly wish there were no bans in ranked.

If you're a ranked player and you're good at the game, you can find a way to at least do decently against any champ regardless of what champ you're playing, but especially on your main.

I can Akali vs Heimerdinger okay. Do I like to play against Heimer, no. But in a ranked competitive situation if I have to play against him I can do fine.

Commander Javik1 votes

{quoted}

I honestly wish there were no bans in ranked.

O.O Wot m8 ???

AdeBug2 votes

i made a thread just like this :( but I also suggested a warning when banning a team mate's champ just for those cases of 'oh sorry did not see you selected that'

MAKAVELIncarnate1 votes

I agree that it pisses me off when my intended pick gets ban. I NEVER ban someone's intended pick (except once by accident and twice I accidently banned my own intended pick). However, if your champ is yas or anther commonly banned champ / pain in the ass, I think it's justifiable. Maybe they recently played with several horrible Yas on their teams. They may not know your skill level.

Commander Javik1 votes

Saw " yasuo " in the text , decided to leave a comment .

Because of my personal experience with yasuo players , y'know , those who dance in the creeps like retards and feeding like low level bots , i will always ban him . Not only because of this , also because of how frustrating it is to face him in lane and his actual build he uses makes him even more cancer . You should get used to this ban . As long as he will stay the same , he will have the same ban rate .

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