New kayle nerfs will gut her entirely

Sinister Anubis·Apr 10, 2019·5 votes·1,693 views

Kayle AD lowered from 52 to 50 Armor lowered from 28 to 26 Attack speed ratio lowered from .695 to .667 Divine Ascent (Passive) ranks are now based on Kayle's level rather than skill points

At this point klepto will be meh on her probably still the best to go for golds sake. The AD nerfs she will not be able to farm, the armor nerfs means she will get dumped on even harder, and finally the attack speed growth means ON hit or AD builds will be shit now she is stuck as AP.

20 Comments

astralwitApr 10, 20194 votes

Good, she's brainless autowin past 30 minutes and has less counterplay than almost any other late game champion. Her early isn't even as bad as people suggest. Most melees struggle vs her.

Sinister AnubisApr 10, 20191 votes

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Good, she's brainless autowin past 30 minutes and has less counterplay than almost any other late game champion. Her early isn't even as bad as people suggest. Most melees struggle vs her.

Except riven renekton fiora destory her even xin and j4. Not to mention late game CC kills her. SHes not even tanky yes she has her ulti but you can cc her enough to stop that or find picks on her.

SyrileApr 10, 20192 votes

The only problem with Kayle is at top levels and even then, it is because a lot of players would rather look good than win. I have beaten many Kayle's that get to late game. If your team has any sense at all you can stop her with decent CC.

This is what Riot does. Make broken champions and then gut them. Makes zero sense.

Also, saying Yi and Yasuo are weak is not really a good way to convince anyone of anything. Yasuo does not need to be fed at all. Thus why we have the meme of the 0/7 powerspike.

Sinister AnubisApr 10, 20191 votes

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The only problem with Kayle is at top levels and even then, it is because a lot of players would rather look good than win. I have beaten many Kayle's that get to late game. If your team has any sense at all you can stop her with decent CC.

This is what Riot does. Make broken champions and then gut them. Makes zero sense.

Also, saying Yi and Yasuo are weak is not really a good way to convince anyone of anything. Yasuo does not need to be fed at all. Thus why we have the meme of the 0/7 powerspike.

Exactly Late game champions are designed to end the game but it is not a guarantee win. I'v lost as kayle due to cc Aka vi single me out with ulti into say leona stun or thresh hook. Its really not hard to cc a champion and burst them down hell even soraka has stopped me from ulting with her silence when in the middle of a fight. Cmon people if ur losing to kayle its because your not thinking about how to win. Learn to close games before she has items and levels learn to cc the heck out of her and get picks and camp her.

SyrileApr 10, 20191 votes

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Exactly Late game champions are designed to end the game but it is not a guarantee win. I'v lost as kayle due to cc Aka vi single me out with ulti into say leona stun or thresh hook. Its really not hard to cc a champion and burst them down hell even soraka has stopped me from ulting with her silence when in the middle of a fight. Cmon people if ur losing to kayle its because your not thinking about how to win. Learn to close games before she has items and levels learn to cc the heck out of her and get picks and camp her.

Exactly. The real reason that Riot is nerfing here is two-fold. One: Because she counters the LPL style. Two: Bad players cannot use overpowered champions to insta-kill her unless they are super fed. She can win team fights with good positioning and decision making, something that bad players hate. They want to insta-win without effort or skill and just push 3 buttons to kill their opponent.

Sinister AnubisApr 10, 20191 votes

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Exactly. The real reason that Riot is nerfing here is two-fold. One: Because she counters the LPL style. Two: Bad players cannot use overpowered champions to insta-kill her unless they are super fed. She can win team fights with good positioning and decision making, something that bad players hate. They want to insta-win without effort or skill and just push 3 buttons to kill their opponent.

Idk what lpl means. I just think that kayle once was unviable unplayable before gets reworked people like playing her now and now she will be dumpster again.

SyrileApr 10, 20191 votes

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Idk what lpl means. I just think that kayle once was unviable unplayable before gets reworked people like playing her now and now she will be dumpster again.

LPL is the professional league of China for League of Legends. Kayle is a direct counter to their playstyle and punishes most of the way they play. And since Riot shifted the meta towards LPL playstyle over the last couple of years... Makes sense they would gut her.

Sinister AnubisApr 10, 20191 votes

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LPL is the professional league of China for League of Legends. Kayle is a direct counter to their playstyle and punishes most of the way they play. And since Riot shifted the meta towards LPL playstyle over the last couple of years... Makes sense they would gut her.

Could also be that riot was bought buy a Chinese company. So i guess that makes sense but still :\

SyrileApr 10, 20191 votes

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Could also be that riot was bought buy a Chinese company. So i guess that makes sense but still :\

Yep. Which is what I meant by that. They wanted China to win World's. They are destroying the macro game in place of micro game which is what the LPL thrives on. LPL macro is horrendous. Easily the worst of any major region. LCK has always been the best. Notice how at World's LCK did nothing (mostly because KT lost that five game series to IG) compared to normal? Removal of strategy from the game in favor of solo queue mentality does that.

SuicidePlankApr 10, 20191 votes

I don't mind her being thrown into the gutter. Having a timer set on your Game in which you have to win (against her) isn't good gameplay, also for being so strong late she should be S7 GP, not a decent fighter after 6. Gut her, gut Vayne, gut Kai'Sa, gut Kassadin(yes he isn't seen much in LCS, but only because he lacks prio in the early, which is abused there, but not in SoloQ.).

PS: Fek Riven and gut her too.

Sinister AnubisApr 10, 20193 votes

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I don't mind her being thrown into the gutter. Having a timer set on your Game in which you have to win (against her) isn't good gameplay, also for being so strong late she should be S7 GP, not a decent fighter after 6. Gut her, gut Vayne, gut Kassadin, gut Kai'Sa (yes he isn't seen much in LCS, but only because he lacks prio in the early, which is abused there, but not in SoloQ.).

PS: Fek Riven and gut her too.

MIght as well gut yi yasuo tryn, etc like whats the point in having a late game champion if you can't get there? LIke on hit builds will suck AD builds will suck hybrid builds will suck and AP is not even good on her, just doesn't flow with her kit.

roughvanApr 10, 20193 votes

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MIght as well gut yi yasuo tryn, etc like whats the point in having a late game champion if you can't get there? LIke on hit builds will suck AD builds will suck hybrid builds will suck and AP is not even good on her, just doesn't flow with her kit.

Problem is, kayle wasn't weak in early game. She could actually duel aatrox at 6 and win.. Just needs to dodge 1/3 of his q. Yasuo,trynd,yi are all weak. If your team doesn't feed them, its really hard to win with them. If you checked Pantsaredragon streamer/youtuber got rank 3 na playing kayle with 80% win rate in challanger, i don't know how you see this as healthy champion.

SuicidePlankApr 10, 20191 votes

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Problem is, kayle wasn't weak in early game. She could actually duel aatrox at 6 and win.. Just needs to dodge 1/3 of his q. Yasuo,trynd,yi are all weak. If your team doesn't feed them, its really hard to win with them. If you checked Pantsaredragon streamer/youtuber got rank 3 na playing kayle with 80% win rate in challanger, i don't know how you see this as healthy champion.

And you have to add that this isn't even hard for Kayle with a tiny hitbox + ms boost.

Sinister AnubisApr 10, 20191 votes

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Problem is, kayle wasn't weak in early game. She could actually duel aatrox at 6 and win.. Just needs to dodge 1/3 of his q. Yasuo,trynd,yi are all weak. If your team doesn't feed them, its really hard to win with them. If you checked Pantsaredragon streamer/youtuber got rank 3 na playing kayle with 80% win rate in challanger, i don't know how you see this as healthy champion.

I know exactly who pantsaredragon is and i played kayle over 100 games in rank. She is absolutely weak early on and she will be even worst. All in champions destory her range champions destory her jayce will kill her over and over hecrim just about anyone top lane rekts her except tanks and even tanks like Malphite kill her once 6.

ColteApr 10, 20191 votes

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I don't mind her being thrown into the gutter. Having a timer set on your Game in which you have to win (against her) isn't good gameplay, also for being so strong late she should be S7 GP, not a decent fighter after 6. Gut her, gut Vayne, gut Kassadin, gut Kai'Sa (yes he isn't seen much in LCS, but only because he lacks prio in the early, which is abused there, but not in SoloQ.).

PS: Fek Riven and gut her too.

kai'sa is female

SuicidePlankApr 10, 20191 votes

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kai'sa is female

Accidently swapped Kai'Sa and Kassadin, fixed it.

Soul DealerApr 10, 20191 votes

The problem is she has true damage. As long as a champion has access to true damage the cannot be balanced.

Sinister AnubisApr 10, 20191 votes

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The problem is she has true damage. As long as a champion has access to true damage the cannot be balanced.

So true dmg can't be balanced?

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Titanium70Apr 10, 20191 votes

Do people really think the Elixir you get in 1 out of 3 games the max is the reason to pick Klepto????

Sinister AnubisApr 10, 20191 votes

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Do people really think the Elixir you get in 1 out of 3 games the max is the reason to pick Klepto????

I mean it was the highlight of that keystone. I mean it will still be the best keystione on her cause she will not be able to cs in lane. If she does try to cs when she goes in for it just attack her she has nothing to stop you.