There is no real jg item for AD assassin junglers

Oakleaf Ranger·Jul 13, 2017·1 votes·516 views

One thing I have constantly noticed (especially with the release of Kayn) is that there is no solid assassin jungle item. Warrior enchant scales so bad for pure assassin junglers like

The only reason it even works on them is because they scale primarily with AD but flat AD and CDR are not the main strengths of assassins nor does what warrior enchantment offers augment them in a way that improves their play pattern like the enchantments do for the rest of jungler types. Yes you can sell it later on but then you lose out on the smite augmentation that only comes with a jungle item.

Its called warrior enchantment yet assassins are clumped along with that group when their play style isn't that of a bruiser.

12 Comments

J4 Ulted MexicoJul 13, 20171 votes

item 3252 and item 3077 would like a word with you.

Oakleaf RangerJul 13, 20171 votes

neither of those can be combined with any of these item 3706 item 3715 item 3711

Plus item 3252 still sucks

EschetonJul 13, 20171 votes

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neither of those can be combined with any of these

Plus still sucks

You don't have to finish your jungle item first. And if you think item 3252 sucks you clearly don't know the value of gold or clearspeed.

Oakleaf RangerJul 13, 20171 votes

it has a 40 second cool down per camp, I don't think I have seen anyone in low or high elo ever build this item. The problem with the item isn't that not gold efficient but that its not time efficient. The only time anyone should really build this item is when they are snowballing but at that point its more like a win more item since if you are snowballing you can afford the upgraded version.

Even if I don't finish my jungle item first, that still doesn't address the issue I brought up which is there is no good enchantment upgrade for assassins that scales well with them.

EschetonJul 13, 20171 votes

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it has a 40 second cool down per camp, I don't think I have seen anyone in low or high elo ever build this item. The problem with the item isn't that not gold efficient but that its not time efficient. The only time anyone should really build this item is when they are snowballing but at that point its more like a win more item since if you are snowballing you can afford the upgraded version.

Even if I don't finish my jungle item first, that still doesn't address the issue I brought up which is there is no good enchantment upgrade for assassins that scales well with them.

You buy it early, you finish your lethality item late. Meanwhile you enjoy greatly increased clearspeed for an itemslot. Thats great. Those that say it isn´t ask too much.

Or haven´t you seen the update too it? The old version might have been lackluster, the new one is awesome. And really only for AD Assassins.

J4 Ulted MexicoJul 13, 20171 votes

Fair point on the dirk but I still fail to see how warrior + skirmishers don't "improve their play pattern". It's cheap, cost effective, and provides an amazing passive, being the smite. True damage on auto attacks and damage reduction to the smited opponent. To me? That sounds amazing on an assassin.

Oakleaf RangerJul 13, 20171 votes

I'm not arguing that these are item 3711 item 3706 item 3715 bad or don't work but that the flat AD and CDR of warrior enchantment doesn't scale well with them like it does for bruisers. Assassins are more focused on bursting with one rotation and not multiple ones. CDR is good but not the defining strengths of assassins. It doesn't augment their mobility, burst/execution, or their ability move towards a target before being made aware of their presence, or chase/escape capabilities. There is no jungle item that directly buffs or augments those strengths for AD assassins.

SparksFFFJul 13, 20171 votes

i have no issues playing them...are you building lethality? because that makes a diffrence

NahuiJul 13, 20171 votes

If you add lethality onto a jungle item, you'll have assassins move into the jungle for more lethality paths and as an AD assassin player, I don't think we need an option to have 15+ more lethality as a viable path.

Oakleaf RangerJul 13, 20171 votes

They need a jungle item with a passive that remains relevant for them the whole game or that scales with other items. Something that boosts traits that are unique to assassins and potentially divers. I put out examples of the kind of traits could be buffed when for an assassin jungle item.

deadlychuckJul 13, 20171 votes

It's simple, it's because assassins are a class which is currently being shoehorned into the game, so all of the old systems, such as jungle items or even just the basic stat system, are not designed to handle them.

All of these assassins use to be fighters (or in some cases mages), but now you've got riot trying to force them into the game without having to making changes from the ground up.