Why is kaisa allowed to be so busted

PICKLE RICK REEE··130 votes·24,461 views

Like what the fuck is her kit

she has like 2x the power budget of vayne and kog and literally any adc player above d5 only plays kaisa

Have a front line and right click any champs hp away in 3 auto attacks from stealth and 800 damage shield. G-Rex vs. SuperMassive goes from 0-0 to 12-0 in 5 minutes because there's literally nothing they can do when another disgusting champion like Rakan is standing in front of her

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SKHynix59 votes

% bonus dmg on missing hp, fucking ass broken shield, dash, invisibility, atk speed buff, hybrid dmg. Fucking overloaded champ

The Dreamwalker34 votes

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% bonus dmg on missing hp, fucking ass broken shield, dash, invisibility, atk speed buff, hybrid dmg. Fucking overloaded champ

Don't forget that she gets a movement speed buff on the same ability that gives her an atk speed buff + invisibility & that the same ability is reduced by .5 sec every time she autos.

PICKLE RICK REEE7 votes

It's like, why does it need to give an attack speed buff? and invisibility and movement speed

Her Q has as much thought as Ahri's W where you just push it when you're near someone and deals 700+ damage

Tbh it's mostly rageblade and her passive that break her passive needs to be gutted not the first time rageblade has broke champions after the item's passive been removed 3-4 times

The Goodest Boy1 votes

gotta agree mostly on the Q thing. kai'sas Q is something I NEVER would've expected to see in modern day league. it's so fucking strange.

literally remove the visuals and kai'sas Q and ahris W are almost exactly the same. "are you in range of an enemy? yes? use it. no? dont."

haven't the foggiest what they were thinking with her.

Wilyum8 votes

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% bonus dmg on missing hp, fucking ass broken shield, dash, invisibility, atk speed buff, hybrid dmg. Fucking overloaded champ

Riot has made a habit of creating overloaded champions lately. Everyone needs insane damage, mobility, survivability, and flashyness nowadays. I miss when someone like Anivia got released, unique kit with very obvious counterplay and weaknesses while still being unique and viable.

I am 122 votes

She is basically an assassin that is tankier and more defensive.

PICKLE RICK REEE3 votes

basically a ranged burst per second assassin that has, what, 2 defensive mechanics?

The only thing she does not have is hard CC.

Flashes1 votes

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% bonus dmg on missing hp, fucking ass broken shield, dash, invisibility, atk speed buff, hybrid dmg. Fucking overloaded champ

I literally said this and some Kai'sa mains were like this:

"Ok but kai'sa doesn't shred tanks like Vayne does"

"Kai'sa's ult requires you to actually land your skillshots"

"Kai'sa is in a fine spot rn just nerf her shield a little bit"

Thilmer30 votes

Kai'sa is an awesome example of a bad champion design based in "muh, originality".

Someone thougth: "Hey, let's make an ADC with the sustained damage of an ADC, but also the mobility and burst damage of an asassin. There isn't any champion with that design in the game".

A surprise for you, "genius": Nobody did that champion design because is broken as balls and a toxic kit since the beginning, therefore nobody with a little idea of game balance would design such a thing. But you have to make Kai'sa just to check it, I guess.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

Hügö11 votes

They took Vayne as example for how Kai Sa should be, so who would ahve thought that it will be complete broken?

3TWarrior4 votes

I have to wonder if quinn qualifies as this, but she can not go invisible and her builds tend to be complex

Quinn

charge attack10 votes

Quinn isn't a tank buster and therefore falls off a cliff in late game (not in assassination potential, but in teamfights).

Kaisa arguably has the same assassination potential as Quinn late game but also serves as a tank buster.

Also Kaisa can abuse the most broken AD, AP, AND on-hit items. She can build Merc scim, Zhonyas, Banshees, stormrazor, and rageblade in one game - being PERFECTLY viable build.

PICKLE RICK REEE5 votes

she doesnt have a 3000 range targeted dash, spammable stealth, and 400-800+ damage shield and sustained %hp damage.

Other than that, yeah I guess so Not like quinn is the most fun to play against either

panexin13 votes

The thing is though, I'm watching Worlds right now, and it honestly just feels like whoever has Kai'sa wins.... That first game between SUP and GRX was a smash when SUP had Kai'sa, but it game two, as soon as GRX got Kai'sa, they started smashing team fights.... This dynamic is even less interesting than the ardent meta imo XD

BLIGHTBRINGER9 votes

Remember in the beginning when they were teasing her, when they said they were looking to add another "high risk, high reward" Marksman.

Being able to shield yourself for almost half of your health, having movement speed boost, stealth and a dash on her R is definitely "risky"...

LUL

MorgManBasher4 votes

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Remember in the beginning when they were teasing her, when they said they were looking to add another "high risk, high reward" Marksman.

Being able to shield yourself for almost half of your health, having movement speed boost, stealth and a dash on her R is definitely "risky"...

LUL

She use to be at least short range but then they buffed her auto attack range so like... The champ has like no downside.

Elkington8 votes

Because she's a flashy adc and she's popular.

Rift Herald Jr5 votes

Why is kaisa allowed to be so busted

looks at Prestige Skin

I mean, if it makes you feel better, she'll probably be gutted after Worlds...

PaladinNO2 votes

People apparently doesn't like to be reminded of this fact...

NaturesMayhem4 votes

I think her most annoying aspect is how she so easily wins trades, especially early. I can't win a trade against the champ, all she has to do is use her Q and E and we lose any trade, no matter the champ matchup. I love duoing with her, and I guess that's why she's allowed, because playing with her as your ADC or if you play as her, easily winning against the enemy is fun. However, I don't think that's fair, she needs to be hard nerfed, Riot is showing blatant favoritism as always and in this meta, all it takes is the right picks to win a game.

Somebody Love Me4 votes

Kaisa doesn't win trades lol

However, she does have really good all ins because her passive works well with every engage support in the game. And since this meta is all engage supports and super hard engage teamfights, Kai'sa gets to do whatever she wants.

Harden Stepback4 votes

welcome to new league of legends. Bullshit, overloaded kits.

Colton1473 votes

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RedCyclone18 votes

Recheck your calendar cus it's not April 1st

Daddy Ants4 votes

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Recheck your calendar cus it's not April 1st

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Is this an irony response?

Colton147 is infamous for shit posting.

Just report his posts and move on.

Ayzev2 votes

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Just report his posts

If I'm not mistaken, posting stuff that's incorrect isn't bannable. So just leave it at a down-vote.

Daddy Ants4 votes

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If I'm not mistaken, posting stuff that's incorrect isn't bannable. So just leave it at a down-vote.

He isn't posting "incorrectly"

He does this in every single thread that talks about a champion's balance.

Alzon1 votes

Colton is a legend. I typically upvote him when I see him.

Not everyone gets his satire, though.

Saezio8 votes

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Is this an irony response?

Velzard of Koz10 votes

It's a troll post

GayFluffyUnicorn5 votes

IRONy hehexd

Thilmer22 votes

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Kaisa's been repeatedly gutted with her nerfs and is badly in need of compensation buffs.

I think you are talking about Kalista, my friend.

AbiwonKenabi3 votes

Her range is super short, and unless she finds some early kills she's got a meh early laning phase, easily bullied by someone like Lucian. I think part of why she's seen a ton above D5 is because she does require some skill to use.

That said, I can see how she's still a little too strong. The stealth she receives on her E after enough attack speed makes her hard to pin down. On the other hand she pretty much requires some kind of reposition tool because her range is so short and she has no real way to get back out or otherwise avoid damage after she ults in. Pairing her with Alistar is really killer, because he gives her some free passive stacks when he does his thing, and she gets to proc her passive easily after that, or ult in if she wants. The passive stacks is probably what needs to be looked at most, perhaps a straight nerf of numbers or a reduction of how many stacks her W puts on targets.

EDIT: I don't think people realize, OP title says "why is Kai'Sa allowed to be so busted?" I think she's STRONG and could use some nerfs. I don't think she's BUSTED and I don't think any Champion deserves to be dumpstered with excessive nerfs. I'd rather see a slower approach. Thanks for the discussion.

JoeAnarchy2 votes

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Her range is super short, and unless she finds some early kills she's got a meh early laning phase, easily bullied by someone like Lucian. I think part of why she's seen a ton above D5 is because she does require some skill to use.

That said, I can see how she's still a little too strong. The stealth she receives on her E after enough attack speed makes her hard to pin down. On the other hand she pretty much requires some kind of reposition tool because her range is so short and she has no real way to get back out or otherwise avoid damage after she ults in. Pairing her with Alistar is really killer, because he gives her some free passive stacks when he does his thing, and she gets to proc her passive easily after that, or ult in if she wants. The passive stacks is probably what needs to be looked at most, perhaps a straight nerf of numbers or a reduction of how many stacks her W puts on targets.

looks at her W yea short range.. looks at her gap clearing potential with her E and R yea must be really hard to hit things..

demoted to iron3 votes

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Her range is super short, and unless she finds some early kills she's got a meh early laning phase, easily bullied by someone like Lucian. I think part of why she's seen a ton above D5 is because she does require some skill to use.

Kaisa 's a lategame hypercarry. In no way, shape or form should she be even allowed a "meh early laning phase", not to mention she tends to hold up against Lucian a hell of a lot better than other lategame hypercarries (e.g. Twitch KogMaw)

Kazekiba3 votes

Damn straight. Twitch is the epitome of "Zero relevance in lane but controls every fight lategame and carries the team". Kaisa has that but unlike twitch:

  • She's extremely mobile
  • She can self-Peel
  • She has an execute
  • She has waveclear in lane
  • She abuses Rageblade
  • She can attack from outside of her auto range
  • SEMI GLOBAL DASH????
  • Actual lane phase power

Imagine Vayne but with Tristana's E, and her Q has Twitch's Q steroids too.

Xilixer3 votes

It's because they are trying to make her their unique version of Kerrigan.

Autrah Fang4 votes

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It's because they are trying to make her their unique version of Kerrigan.

Skin-tight body suit... Super model figure... Random alien like stuff coming out of her back... I think you're onto something here!

Xilixer1 votes

The moment i saw her I immediately thought of Kerrigan. She's a girl that got turned into a hybrid human/alien.

PaladinNO2 votes

Why is Kai'Sa allowed to be so busted?

Because she's getting a new skin, one of which must be left oh-so desirable (Popstar Kai'Sa Prestige Edition).

But once Worlds has ended, and enough people bought her new Popstar skin, mark my words, she'll be nerfed ASAP.

MorgManBasher2 votes

I personally don't even understand why they want to keep her so strong, she isn't even interesting to watch. You don't even have to aim her q, it does it for you.

Rekkon2 votes

I mean, Miss Fortune is much more busted.

PICKLE RICK REEE2 votes

mf can be nerfed because her kit isnt broken numbers can be changed

kai'sa's kit is just disgusting. The power budget in her kit stops with her passive. If her passive was changed into something utility or "useless" damage wise, she wouldn't be too bad.

Rekkon1 votes

I'm afraid you didn't get what you mean, but yeah MF is not that broken as Kai'Sa.

5050BS2 votes

WORLDS

General Matty2 votes

if kog and vayne had a child that was also 4x as strong as them then kai'sa is the monstrosity that came out.

LINAWR2 votes

tencent needs that fat cash fam

Avicou2 votes

Her kit is overloaded, for sure. The reason I think they let it stay that way is that she's extremely positioning reliant, because unless she's got her ult shield she could get locked down and killed before her damage output ramps up too high.

I think her ult shield needs to be taken away, or severely gutted, and her passive damage needs to be scaled down. The rest of her kit is pretty okay, there's no fundamental design on her QWE that makes them busted, like Akali's true-invisibility.

MuffledGarbage1 votes

It's so Riot's SJW politics of a "strong woman" can continue

saltran5 votes

Tell that to the gutted Kalista

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