So COTC is getting another nerf

Oakleaf Ranger·Jan 11, 2017·28 votes·1,578 views

Guess that's easier than changing/buffing the other resolve key stone masteries.

28 Comments

RalanrJan 11, 20175 votes

CoTC is incredibly strong and needs nerfs. Buffing the other keystones to its level is asking for people to boycott anything tanky.

Oakleaf RangerJan 11, 20179 votes

COTC felt like a breath of fresh air for me after grasp became shit along with the other resolve key stones. Like finally a real reason to invest into the resolve tree if I wasn't the jungler.

Smitty ManjensenJan 11, 20178 votes

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COTC felt like a breath of fresh air for me after grasp became shit along with the other resolve key stones. Like finally a real reason to invest into the resolve tree if I wasn't the jungler.

Yea, such a nice breath of fresh air having unkillable poppys and darius' or hecarims.

INoble KnightIJan 12, 20171 votes

Really? I still get shredded as a tank because smart people build pen! You won't do any damage without building pen. I've gotten deleted as a full tank in seconds by an ADC who built some armor pen. It's already hard to tank against people with a brain but because the morons can't figure that out they have to cry for nerfs cause fuck building pen when you can go full crit and damage!6

Smitty ManjensenJan 12, 20171 votes

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Really? I still get shredded as a tank because smart people build pen! You won't do any damage without building pen. I've gotten deleted as a full tank in seconds by an ADC who built some armor pen. It's already hard to tank against people with a brain but because the morons can't figure that out they have to cry for nerfs cause fuck building pen when you can go full crit and damage!6

They all are highly picked and highly banned champions in high elo, and complained about by many high elo people, because you got blow up once doesn't mean they aren't op especially with that retarded keystone mastery, if they build tons of health with resistances, your penetration won't be that effective, and in poppys case her w and passive and the stupid mastery gives her unmatchable tankiness, hence the nerfs.

GayFluffyUnicornJan 12, 20173 votes

Who is they? Who are "many high elo people"? The reddit challenger adc mains? The only complaint about tank is poppy, rightfully so.

INoble KnightIJan 12, 20171 votes

Actually I get blown up constantly by them because pen beats tanks hard.

CyberBaltJan 12, 20173 votes

They were unkillable long since before CoC ...

Smitty ManjensenJan 12, 20172 votes

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They were unkillable long since before CoC ...

Nope, after they added that the issue became apparent, that stupid mastery is beyond broken, hope the next nerf will make it bearable.

StephenizgodJan 12, 20172 votes

^ This... I don't see the issue with nerfing it. Pretty much every champion that takes it is busted or over the top with it. We can nerf it AND buff the other masteries so Tanks have some actual choices. Right now its: "Can you proc CotC? Yes? cool take it and dominate. No? Play a different tank..."

SlaktarTaskenJan 12, 20175 votes

How dare CotC be usefull! It must be nerfed into mediocrity like the rest of the resolve keystones.:D

GayFluffyUnicornJan 12, 20178 votes

It's so sad noone here notices that bias. Remember fervor and warlords being broken? No real nerfs at all up until end of the season. Oh tanks are actually tanky? Nerf that shit into the ground.

rG ThundragJan 12, 20172 votes

Buffing the other keystones would just inflate the game with more damage powercreep.

doiminat0r3600Jan 12, 20175 votes

Well, except all of these are defensive masteries that are meant to hold back damage creep.

Hello I am BirdJan 12, 20171 votes

Can't say how Grasp of the undying is defensive, but okay

doiminat0r3600Jan 12, 20171 votes

You heal for half the damage you deal. Healing = defensive. But damage in this case is defensive because it's the tank tree.

NichtHurzJan 12, 20171 votes

No, Grasp is in the resolve tree as damage + sustain option. So yeah, it's party defensive, but was also supposed to act as a damage source for tanks, which is why it already was better for damage than thunderlord's (when it was broken and taken by everyone) for those who could fight long enough to get 2-3 procs.

GULAG 4 UJan 11, 20171 votes

Cotc is extremely powerful, just the because the other resolve keystones are trashcan, it doesn't mean COC should be busted. It means Grasp and Bond need some buffs while coc gets a nerf.

Oakleaf RangerJan 11, 20172 votes

I know it needs a nerf but I don't want to go back to 3 shitty key stones in the resolve tree.

GULAG 4 UJan 12, 20171 votes

That is why I've said we should buff the 2 other ones? I thought this was common sense?

WoonStruckJan 12, 20173 votes

Yeah, and Fervor, DFT, and TLD definitely haven't broken the entire game with the damage creep they've added. Definitely not.

GULAG 4 UJan 12, 20171 votes

I never said those weren't overpowered neither.

SkorchJan 12, 20171 votes

While i do think the other masteries still need buffs, CotC was also WAY too strong.

KeitronJan 12, 20171 votes

The nerf never came out on 7.1, and its a maybe for 7.2.

Sraeg2013Jan 12, 20171 votes

It's fine.

I'll switch my 9/0/21 Darius page to 9/21/0 and they will die even faster.

Glory ln DeathJan 12, 20171 votes

It's not even really a nerf. Except for the shield duration, it only negatively affects laning phase. Once you start getting into grouped fights, it has the same strength against 3 enemies, and is actually stronger against 4 or 5 enemies.

The changes to the base shield solidify it as an engage/dive mastery, rather than an all-purpose, always strong generalist mastery. Abuse cases like Riven and other duelists can't use it as well for early game trades to bully opponents and duel with an extra shield.

The changes give it a more clear purpose and actually buff it when it's used as intended.

iPooUnicornsJan 12, 20171 votes

Honestly it should just be changed to have diminishing returns for additional nearby enemy champions. So instead of 10-180 +5% max hp for each nearby champion, 10-180+5% for one enemy and 5-90+2.5% for each additional nearby enemy.