If this is a burst meta, why arent people using barrier?

Hexs Fortune··6 votes·1,008 views

You cant get more anti burst than barrier

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ZT Xperimentor8 votes

An extra 500 health doesn't matter when you're being overkilled for a thousand damage.

GigglesO2 votes

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An extra 500 health doesn't matter when you're being overkilled for a thousand damage.

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Venomar2 votes

Honestly. I get bursted through hex drinker all the time.

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Thing is, it's shield only blocks magic damage, so it's not always worth it against an on-hit champ.

Illâoi Evê Siôn6 votes

Exhaust should reduce more damage (because it reduces by a %) and it slows the enemy, too.

EndlessSorcerer4 votes

Exhaust is more anti-burst than Barrier.

paisy4 votes

summoner 3

TTK Dreadnought3 votes

because ignite lasts 5secs not 2.

thats why I dont use barrier though. lol.

Lauchmelder1 votes

Well you don't use barrier to save you from ignite, you use it as a meatshield to prevent SOME of the burst damage coming through.

Snowman Arc3 votes

Because barrier is worthless most of the time. Heal is more reliable HP, can also heal a teammate, grants a speed boost and can be used any time during a fight to replenish HP, unlike barrier which you have to time. I gotta say though, Barrier feels more tilting to play against.

zaire902 votes

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jesus i found my next assassins to play

RexSaur3 votes

Because Exhaust exists and is overpowered.

Penns2 votes

Idk as Fizz I honestly prefer playing against Exhaust over Barrier. Has higher cooldown and at least they cant Exhaust me in my E while Barrier is just free HP that you cant miss or fuck up lol.

Mountain Warden2 votes

I like barrier. But maybe it could use a slight buff on strength of shield and duration. With assassins now having their burst damage come with a delay, it might be useful to have the shield last just a little bit longer.

RookPusher2 votes

If barrier reflected the damage done back to the attacker then it might be viable.

LankPants2 votes

Because Heal is Barrier with a speed boost?

DrugsForRobots2 votes

It really doesn't help that ages ago they buffed summoner 3 to reduce the target's Armor and M.Res, or that summoner 7 was given it's MS boost (instead of summoner 1? Really Riot?)

Let summoner 21 be 50% more effective vs projectiles. Maybe it could grant Armor or M.Res? IDK, Riot, please.

Aptest1 votes

the way I see it, make barrier a spell shield. then adjust it's CD accordingly.

Kaioko1 votes

And who would use barrier on? Realistically the only position that it makes sense on is mid, but that summoner spell has to compete with ghost, heal, teleport and ignite. Also heal is much better as you actually gain the health back, the only exception is if your opposing laner is running ignite.

MissingKayo1 votes

You're assuming idiots would be smart enough to do that.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

a kat did 2500 damage to me in 2.5 seconds as darius last game I had around 160 MR. i thought it was pretty ridic. point is. its not going to save you. heal is good because it gives movement speed and it also works on allies.

barrier simply sucks. and if it were to be buffed. it would make champions like zed usless. even tho exahust is just better anyway

Into The Aether1 votes

Barrier ranges from 115-455 in value.

Exhaust is better when damage exceeds 287-1137 assuming the attack speed and movement slow are irrelevant. If they're relevant due to who you're fighting, it takes less damage than this.

As burst get's stronger, the integer, non-scaling value of Barrier get's relatively inferior.

Enough nerfs have happened to Barrier, and the game has continued scaling up enough, that Barrier is just flat out bad at doing it's job.

It has like, a 30 second advantage on cooldown, and is less flexible. There isn't a real upside to it.

Meep Man1 votes

Because Exhaust will always be 100% better for negating burst since it reduces all damage by a %. Barrier is only better if you absolutely cannot take any damage and are at very low health, upon which Barrier is still a very bad safety net.

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