People would go on a witch hunt if Zed had 54% winrate for every single patch since release.

MissingKayo··11 votes·966 views

Zed also has a lot less than Ahri does. But I guess 53-54% winrate is fine and her having it through every single patch since release means she's "balanced" and "consistent".


Because like, 53-54% winrate by itself in one patch alone totally isn't on the higher end either usually. And I guess Ahri being one of the top 3 best picks for mid for just about every single patch since release outside of obviously broken mid releases is fine and shows her being "balanced" and "consistent".

Let me make it clear by the way, just in case some dullards don't get it. Ahri isn't a champion who's absurdly broken like release Xin/Silencing Kassadin/release Camille. But she is still broken and needs tuning. Not huge nerfs, but some.


CC, Zed only has a slow which he needs to hit a point blank E on. Ahri has hard CC through Charm. Ahri is better in this regard.

Mobility, both check. Zed's W mobility is extremely limited though, and his R mobility is situational. Ahri gains MS or a nonconditional dash for her Q and R respectively. Ahri is better in this regard.

Sustain, only Ahri. Ahri is better in this regard.

Resources, Ahri has fairly low mana costs as long as she doesn't spam like an idiot. Zed has near permanent sustain in lane, but is limited to essentially a few moves and then having to wait several seconds for energy to recover regardless of cooldowns. More or less tied.

True damage, only Ahri. Ahri is better in this regard.

Burst, Zed has stronger flat burst, but is restricted by the 3s timer pop. Ahri has less burst, but has enough to still kill any carry the second she lands E because it is immediate. More or less tied.

"Failability" of the kit (missing abilities, etc), only Zed's R is technically unmissable, although his E somewhat falls into the regard if it's pointblank (excluding when the target uses mobility to get away before Zed can E). Ahri has two auto-targeting abilities, one with fairly high damage. Zed's ultimate deals almost nothing by itself unless he actually hits other abilities, meaning he can just be CC'd to prevent the mirror pop. Ahri is better in this regard.

Safety, Zed has W and R, Ahri has Q MS buff, E for CC, and R for mobility. Zed cannot immediately shift to W shadow upon cast, but R has untargetability. Ahri's E is missable outside of point blank, but MS buff is immediate as is her R. Ahri is better in this regard.

Waveclear, Zed vs Ahri. Zed's waveclear in early is fairly bad unless he uses W which is also his only escape or poke mechanism that is likely to hit (Q and E are dodgeable easily unless pointblank, W making it harder to react to and dodge both). Ahri's isn't too amazing until she gets a Lost Chapter or so, but afterwards, her Q waveclear is fairly decent. Zed is still limited to only the wave directly in his face unless he expends W for waveclear. Ahri is better in this regard.

Range, Melee vs Range. Ahri is better in this regard.

17 Comments

ForgiveColour2 votes

Nah more like any ad champion have >50% winrate and >10% pickrate mage circlejerk will complain

Warlord Scrap1 votes

Of course if you put it like that ahris better shes a generalist were as zed had a specific niche to fill. I do agree her winrate is a tad high and her e is annoying major some minor tweaks what would you propose.

MissingKayo2 votes

Reduction to the MS boost on her Q and a longer CD on her ultimate probably would suffice.

Nothing too huge. She's not absurdly broken, but is still broken and needs tuning to be honest.

Jinzo Torrance1 votes

People are complaining about Ahri too my friend

Edge of Daybreak1 votes

People were witch hunting zed when he was at a 46% winrate. The forums would explode if he hit 53%

zaire901 votes

we still on this? also hes a bad example cause people did go on a witch hunt for zed and he was barely seen until those lethality buffs came in

Oleandervine1 votes

Zed is impossible to catch and kill when he's strong or fed, and frustrating as hell to lane against. Ahri still has points of weakness and has to sacrifice her damage output on R to escape with it. She presents a challenge, but she's not vein-blowing frustrating to play against.

bbQsauçe1 votes

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MissingKayo1 votes

Yeah who cares about logic.

DunkinNoobs1 votes

Ahri's only been at this level since her rework early in season 5. Before that, she sat at around 49% for the longest time.

Challenger Ahri1 votes

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Ahri's only been at this level since her rework early in season 5. Before that, she sat at around 49% for the longest time.

That's not true either. I can't remember a time since Season 3 that she ever went under 50%. And if it happened, it didn't last long.

Lauchmelder1 votes

Tbh by now I'd rather face a Zed than an Ahri. Yes, his kit is bullshit, but he's fair to play against.

KindredAndWolf1 votes

Everything about zed is annoying, including his laugh. Ahri has ass and is my bae... And leona, at the same time

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Frustration when playing against the champion is a significant reason for this discrepancy.

Even when Ahri is objectively strong, I find her far less annoying to play against than Zed.

As such, I'm less likely to complain about her.

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