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This just in: jungle-based carries must rely on on-hits

Anonagon··3 votes·435 views

I'm not sure what Riot is thinking with Sated Devourer.

On one hand, having a transformation is the perfect way to reward farming/carry junglers, and having it gain 5 stacks on Dragon encourages team play rather than selfish farm. It seems great at first.

But the transformation itself is awkward. Its an item that nearly specifically caters to champions with multiple on-hits in their kit, which basically makes it Yi, Shyvana, Warwick and Udyr's wet dream while being just not-as-good on everyone else. It also really restricts build paths, basically telling the user: "Hey man you want lifesteal? Oh then you want item 3153 and item 3153 only. Crit? Yeah, item 3031 is nice and all but man don't you want to maximize your attack speed and on-hit damage with item 3087 ?" Sated Devourer essentially increases the power of on-hits by 50%, making on-hit items insanely gold efficient and other damage items not so much, since lifesteal, crit, and actual raw AD don't have any synergy with Sated's proc.

I believe Sated Devourer should be a general jungle-based-carry item, not "on-hit wet dream".

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ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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Anonagon1 votes

I'm not saying on-hit junglers don't need help. Of course they do, there's a reason Devourer is being buffed in the first place.

My problem is not that they are getting buffs, but rather that Devourer isn't supposed to just be "on-hits5dayz" but rather an item for carry junglers as a whole, and that other carry junglers (like, say, Tryndamere, or the rare Fiora jungle, or literally any rADC that decides to jungle) don't benefit from this change nearly as much as dedicated on-hit champions do, since they all rely on lifesteal and crit and raw AD, none of which Sated benefit from.

I also dislike how much build pigeonholing Sated is going to cause for on-hit junglers. While previously Master Yi could opt for a wide variety of damage items, Sated basically tells players to ignore every other combat stat for more attack speed and more on-hits. Its not as much of a problem for Shyv/Udyr/WW since they already built to maximize on-hits and tankiness, but it still will be a little noticable; ignoring Cleaver in favor of Trinity, or ignoring Locket for a Wits End.

The Whamboozler1 votes

Every new jungle item, jungle mob change, jungler buff or nerf and/or ANYTHING riot does in regards to jungle utterly breaks the game and ushers in a new meta. People were tired of tank meta, so now shall come the era of mages and on-hit junglers.

Seriously, name one major jungle change that didn't bend champion balance over it's knee and have at it like a fat kid who stole cookies from the jar.

Anonagon1 votes

Warrior AD: 45 -> 40

: ^ )

ProfDrDeath2 votes

"Major jungle change..."

LankPants1 votes

But the transformation itself is awkward. Its an item that nearly specifically caters to champions with multiple on-hits in their kit, which basically makes it Yi, Shyvana, Warwick and Udyr's wet dream while being just not-as-good on everyone else.

There are other moves that work quite well with it too. Any ability that applies every X auto attacks (Grandmaster's Might, Battle Cry, Ki Strike ect.) also benefits greatly.

I've found one of the most potent users of the item if they somehow manage to get it is Vayne. Making Silver Bolts proc on every second hit is just insane. More realistic users in the same vain are Jax and Nocturne.

It's also worth noting the item itself gives 60 magic damage on-hit, so if you need AS and can't buy other on-hits for some reason it already has some self synergy.

"Hey man you want lifesteal? Oh then you want item 3153 and item 3153 only. Crit? Yeah, item 3031 is nice and all but man don't you want to maximize your attack speed and on-hit damage with item 3087 ?"

Static doesn't really work that well with Sated Devourer as it only makes your SS gain 15 stacks per auto on average. Every single jungler who would build Sated Devourer would prefer BotRK to any other lifesteal item in the game. Maybe a couple would like Hydra, but that also procs on the phantom attack.

FatesDefiler1 votes

on-hit builds got the shaft, hard, when riot removed ionian spark and nerfed wit's end practically out of the game. sated devourer is like throwing an old dog's bone to the weakest character builds and playstyle in the game currently. it's like this community throws a conniption fit every time a melee champion might become viable.

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