If you are struggling vs. X Champion...

Nin10do0014··51 votes·4,707 views

Maybe adapt your build and NOT build the same items every game nor build in the same order.

Are you facing someone with a really dangerous Debuff like Zed, Morgana Warwick, or Malzahar ? -Get a item 3140 for yourself or get a item 3222 for your teammates. Staying alive deals much more damage than dying in 4 seconds.

Are you facing beefy champions like Nautilus , Volibear , or Sion ? -Replace your main AD item with item 3153 or your main AP item with item 3151 . 70 extra Attack Damage or 80 extra AP on a 4000 HP target is much less than dealing 5% of its HP per hit.

Are there AA-reliant champions on the enemy team like MasterYi ,Tryndamere, Fiora , Caitlyn , or Ashe? -Cut down their DPS by building a item 3110 (don't show an act of true love with this) or return some of their damage with a item 3075 or with Rammus . Ok? Ok.

Are you facing a mostly AP composition like Swain Sejuani Orianna Leona Graves ? -Try a item 3060 to pressure a side lane or get a item 3190 to protect your teammates.

Is the enemy team getting resistances early or have naturally early resistances like Rammus or Leona ? -Might need penetration early. Get that item 3035 or item 3135 earlier than usual or implement a item 3071 or item 3001 into your build so your teammates can deal more damage.

It's really annoying to see players build the same items over and over regardless of the situation. Their main excuse is that it's recommended or that it's from a MOBAFire Guide -- most of these guides even explicitly tell players to build X item for different situations. The only items that should be built every game regardless of situation are an upgraded Trinket, Boots, Jungle Items for Junglers, Sightstone for Supports, and wards. Aside from those items, think about your item build before you automatically buy a Bloodthirster when a Blade would have been better.

78 Comments

ABlueQuaker46 votes

nah brah gotta get my 6 doran's blades

-0/5/0 Top Lane Rengar

Lt Cuddles2 votes

I main the cat, and seeing item 1055 stacking makes my stomach turn. Herp derp, lets waste 1320G for an "early advantage". I can see why people would get a second one, sure, but after 2, I question if they trying to build item 3050 out of 5 item 1055...

DUDE BRO1 votes

A friend of mine who goes Malphite top never changes his build for any reason.

His last game he built Frozen heart > Iceborn Gauntlet > Thornmail... Against Vlad top/Ahri/Leona/Jungle Karth/Jinx.

When I ask why he builds only armor he says armor makes him do more dmg.

I wish I was joking, but sadly I'm not.

blueberrypancake1 votes

It literally has a .4 scaling on his e, still its pointless getting any armor in that sitatuon unless its one of your last itiems

Meeks0111 votes

*.3

Jarrito2321 votes

Frozen heart and iceborn Gauntlet does not mix well with thornmail.

Meeks0111 votes

Yeah, Thornmail on Malphite isn't good and Randuins/Frozen Heart doesn't belong on Rammus.

SecretAgentHulk1 votes

Why?

(Not being argumentative, just trying to learn. If I'm top, it's usually with Malph.)

RikoZerame4 votes

The faster they attack you, the more damage Thornmail does.

Randuin's Omen and Frozen Heart lower enemy attacks speed.

Ergo, those last two items clash with the purpose of the Thornmail.

SecretAgentHulk1 votes

OK, good to know. Thanks!

Only Play Darius3 votes

Rumble Annie Corki Morgana Chogath

Rammus : item 3075 item 3143 item 3047 item 3068 item 3110 item 3026

"Muh passive."

Tis a nice day3 votes

It hurts how true this is.

PokladnicaZla20 votes

One wrong statement about vs WW&Malzahar,Mikales doesn´t remove suppression effects,while QSS removes them and Zed's deathmark,AP-champs can only buy Zhonya to counter his R.

Downvote incoming for saying the truth.....

Champion Skin7 votes

Mikales does not remove debuffs it only removes CC (Also it does NOT remove knock ups and suppression)

junglerboy161 votes

Both of those only interrupt the suppression though, not the damage, right? You need to actually interrupt their channel to stop the damage.

I Main Swain1 votes

I think that's correct, but the actual point is you are no longer locked down so you can actually do something to get away or fight back instead of just getting blown up by the enemy team.

PokladnicaZla1 votes

The point is that AP-midlanaers can't fight against suppression effects while AD can and that vs Zed Zhonya is a must.

disregardable9 votes

I was playing a Jinx game earlier, and I was just flat out getting my ass kicked by their entire team. My team refused to help me and were basically trolling me.

We were playing against:

Bot: Caitlyn Ashe JG: XinZhao Mid: Riven Top: MonkeyKing

So you know what I did? I build a fucking item 3075 on top of my GA. None of them could 1v1 me (as long as I dodged RIven's ult). It was fantastic.

junglerboy165 votes

That moment when a thorn mail is better than a damage item. Priceless.

Terff2 votes

You were losing as a jinx?

disregardable2 votes

Like I said, I got trolled. Support brought Ziggs into a double ADC lane, Caitlyn and Ashe. I told him we would get shoved out of lane and he should bring some tanky engage or maybe even Karma, but he told me to stfu, I'm stupid, and he'll bring who he wants. K then. Of course he doesn't build support at all and may as well not have been in the lane. The game went to over an hour, and he didn't even finish his full build. Mhm.

Meanwhile, our Amumu doesn't gank until 12 minutes into the game. And I know sometimes that's really understandable, you want that ult, but they were a double ADC lane. Literally all we needed was his dash thing and a ziggs minefield to kill them. And of course, when he finally does show up, Ziggs is oom and I'm 1/3rd health. We back ping, he goes in 1v2. Cait gets an easy kill on him, and he starts raging at me. "I'm never ganking bot again, you guys fucking suck", etc.

This is not what I need when I'm basically 1v2 and outranged. Meanwhile Leblanc is feeding because top AND jg keep ganking her (no pings from top whatsoever), so nothing she can do.

And Malphite just doesn't leave top lane. Like I'm pretty sure he did not group until over the 20 minute mark, long after their team had taken all of our outer turrets.

So, yeah. Their team had around a 10,000 gold lead for over 20 minutes, and they still lost. GG Thornmail OP.

warpenguin5554 votes

also buying and playing that champion can give you a better understanding of their mechanics.

Cloud2734 votes

Let's buy a super expensive item (QSS) that can be popped by ANY ability In the game (not just ults). Seems legit. And QSS doesn't even give armor, so you don't get any actual stats to help you beat Zed.

LeeDark2 votes

I think maybe you don't fully understand how QSS works...

Vermonster1 votes

In his defense even the pros have said that it is a terrible item as your only choice to counter Zed. Yes, youre forces to build it for his ult, but i reality the game needs better itemization against Zed rather than a Zed nerf create an armor item with the effect.

Spacesuit Spiff2 votes

And then when you learn how to do this, you can laugh at the childish rage of people who are calling you a troll for not following mobafire. "WTF NOOB WHERES YOUR FROZEN HEART??" "Well currently I'm building to tank their 20/0 Ziggs... and you already have a frozen heart."

Nin10do00141 votes

I've had a teammate flame me for buying Liandry's on Sejuani...

YureontheYordle1 votes

lol.

Maximum Zilean2 votes

Yeah I had a Zac last game who built nothing but armor.

Against a 4 AP team comp... Even funnier their AD carry was so far behind they were barely doing any damage.

Zac item 3068 item 3143 item 3083item 3111

VS

Lissandra top Diana jungle Karthus mid Jinx Karma bottom

Lets just say the one doing all the damage was Karthus and Diana. I dunno I would stack magic resist if a game got that way... That armor was surely useful against their 2 / 6 Jinx though.

YureontheYordle2 votes

Do you have a problem with him building like 1.9k hp vs AP? Health works vs ap's too.

Apollocliptic2 votes

This is so true, the replies too, you don't know how often I have been going on at team mates to change their build, sometimes it's so bad they're better off selling the items they have, but I get reported for flaming when all I say is, "stop building MR they are a full AD team"

Or I am volibear jungle, I've built one armor item and the enemy ziggs mid and akali top have 10 kills between them, so I start building MR, then my team starts flaming me for losing the game, feeding and trolling because I don't have frozen heart, when I have died once, have more assists than the support, and can 1v1 the fed laners top and mid, but as volibear I can't 1v1 vayne in bot lane, so i've lost the game somehow. I am becoming more and more a fan of the idea of starting a game with everyone on mute, I swear, you play better that way

ProjectRay122 votes

playing Xerath vs XinZhao , yes let me just itemize against him and go full tank and morello, because that's what it freaking takes to deal with him as most midlaners

KaisadiIIa3 votes

You can build an early Zhonya's. An item you should never be buying if you are facing Malzahar.

Pikmints3 votes

Lest he be AD Malzahar. It's also worth noticing your opponent's build each game before itemizing against them so you can assure you're making the most out of your situation.

gubigubi3 votes

Just crush him with your spell spam wtf is xin compared against the god of poke lol imo xerath has no bad match ups

meatjunjun2 votes

In my opinion, a lot of Xerath players suck. They play a champ with so much range and just poke from the back. And if you manage to kill them with a burst champ, they go, "Y Champ is OP, they shouldn't be allowed to close distance against me."

gubigubi6 votes

How to play xerath (assuming you can land skill shots) step 1 ban vi step 2 profit

SleepyLionCub2 votes

How am I supposed to build against losing 8% of my hp every autoattack?

Tentacle Love1 votes

{quoted}

How am I supposed to build against losing 8% of my hp every autoattack?

Get lifesteal and some armor and max hp shredding.Blade of the Ruined King is a winner.

Dar Raksada1 votes

{quoted}

Maybe adapt your build and NOT build the same items every game nor build in the same order.

Are you facing someone with a really dangerous Debuff like Zed, Warwick, or Malzahar ? -Get a item 3140 for yourself or get a item 3222 for your teammates. Staying alive deals much more damage than dying in 4 seconds.

Are you facing beefy champions like Nautilus , Volibear , or Sion ? -Replace your main AD item with item 3153 or your main AP item with item 3151 . 70 extra Attack Damage or 80 extra AP on a 4000 HP target is much less than dealing 5% of its HP per hit.

Are there AA-reliant champions on the enemy team like MasterYi ,Tryndamere, Fiora , Caitlyn , or Ashe? -Cut down their DPS by building a item 3110 (don't show an act of true love with this) or return some of their damage with a item 3075 or with Rammus . Ok? Ok.

Are you facing a mostly AP composition like Swain Sejuani Orianna Leona Graves ? -Try a item 3060 to pressure a side lane or get a item 3190 to protect your teammates.

Is the enemy team getting resistances early or have naturally early resistances like Rammus or Leona ? -Might need penetration early. Get that item 3035 or item 3135 earlier than usual or implement a item 3071 or item 3001 into your build so your teammates can deal more damage.

It's really annoying to see players build the same items over and over regardless of the situation. Their main excuse is that it's recommended or that it's from a MOBAFire Guide -- most of these guides even explicitly tell players to build X item for different situations. The only items that should be built every game regardless of situation are an upgraded Trinket, Boots, Jungle Items for Junglers, Sightstone for Supports, and wards. Aside from those items, think about your item build before you automatically buy a Bloodthirster when a Blade would have been better.

You realize that item 3222 Does not work vs Any of those three champion's ultimates right? All it removes from is Malz's q.

Unless they patched it Yi isn't affected by item 3110's AS slow I agree with the general idea of the post though.

Only Play Darius1 votes

I was playing MasterYi jungle one game and I started building a item 3075 early because I noticed Fiora was getting a little out of control. My teammates started raging at me and telling me i'm an idiot because I am not building item 3153 item 3031 item 3087etc.

Guess who ended up turning the game around and carrying?

YureontheYordle6 votes

Lulu?

Ethri1 votes

Question: As an ADC, what is the best item to build against a fed Zed? Assume he can kill you without his ult. Randuins?

Nin10do00141 votes

If you want to remove the debuff, you can buy a QSS and built it into a Mercurial Scimitar. Dealing less damage while staying alive as an ADC is much better than getting a few shots off before dying. The ADC is supposed to provide sustained damage in a teamfight, meaning he or she must stay alive as long as possible to put off as many times as possible.

Ethri1 votes

{quoted}

If you want to remove the debuff, you can buy a QSS and built it into a Mercurial Scimitar. Dealing less damage while staying alive as an ADC is much better than getting a few shots off before dying. The ADC is supposed to provide sustained damage in a teamfight, meaning he or she must stay alive as long as possible to put off as many times as possible.

{quoted}

It's QSS or Zhonya mate. Yes, Zhonya.

Question: As an ADC, what is the best item to build against a fed Zed? Assume he can kill you without his ult. Randuins?

Please read the **entire **two line post before responding. Thank you.

YureontheYordle2 votes

It's QSS or Zhonya mate. Yes, Zhonya.

Snow Taradien1 votes

AND BUILD SOME DAMN PORTALS item 3512 Best item in game. Build it.

SpongeDude1 votes

It's really annoying to see players build the same items over and over regardless of the situation

Riven
And Riven mains says that she's balanced , needs skill, squishy , "balanced."

Miku Lv991 votes

What is a good way to build against:

Really fed katarina that can just 1v5 your team even when you had aegis? Caitlyn during the laning phase? Lee Sin? Full build Yasuo?

Unedible1 votes

I need to get my item 1038

-Every ADC ever

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