Leblanc :| Please Riot tell me you have a plan to bring her back from the brink...

BlueBilberry·Mar 9, 2017·3 votes·749 views

Been trying Leblanc in bot game under this patch. Tried the old style of play (W first). Tried maxing Q first. Tried going with a slower maxing. Tried regular mage builds. Tried glass cannon builds. Went with different masteries. And it looks like it's going to be quite very challenging to get things going. Period.

Simply put, Leblanc is and probably will not be healthy atm - even as an off-meta.

Please bring back the pre-re-worked Leblanc. Yes, she was not overpowered. But at least she's not as bad as this. (I'm probably going to have to shift to Ahri. like I am seeing so many other Leblanc mains doing...)

9 Comments

AgravainMar 9, 20171 votes

Wait. You never tried mastering E first? Something's very wrong here. LOL.

MrHaZeYoMar 9, 20172 votes

Why would you max her E 1st? It has awful base damage.

MAGIC DAMAGE: 55 / 90 / 125 / 160 / 195 (+ 50% AP) - Her Q MINION REBOUND DAMAGE: 44 / 72 / 100 / 128 / 156 (+ 40% AP) - Q MAGIC DAMAGE: 40 / 55 / 70 / 85 / 100 (+ 20% AP) - her W MAGIC DAMAGE: 40 / 60 / 80 / 100 / 120 (+ 50% AP) - Her E TOTAL MAGIC DAMAGE: 80 / 120 / 160 / 200 / 240 (+ 100% AP) - Her E if both proc hit.

COOLDOWN: 6 - Her Q COOLDOWN: 18 / 16 / 14 / 12 / 10 - W COOLDOWN: 14 / 13.25 / 12.5 / 11.75 / 11 - E.

You can get two Q's off per E till lvl 4 then its pretty much even. Assuming you can stand there long enough later on her E becomes more riskier to get both procs. Q can be used just to poke if you have to, plus you now NEED it for waveclear, specially early. Her E damage really comes from her Passive. Not maxing it 1st doesn't really harm your damage as the Q will scale faster/earlier to add more overall damage,

on topic though, they should just reduce the CD of her W.

AgravainMar 9, 20171 votes

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Why would you max her E 1st? It has awful base damage.

MAGIC DAMAGE: 55 / 90 / 125 / 160 / 195 (+ 50% AP) - Her Q MINION REBOUND DAMAGE: 44 / 72 / 100 / 128 / 156 (+ 40% AP) - Q MAGIC DAMAGE: 40 / 55 / 70 / 85 / 100 (+ 20% AP) - her W MAGIC DAMAGE: 40 / 60 / 80 / 100 / 120 (+ 50% AP) - Her E TOTAL MAGIC DAMAGE: 80 / 120 / 160 / 200 / 240 (+ 100% AP) - Her E if both proc hit.

COOLDOWN: 6 - Her Q COOLDOWN: 18 / 16 / 14 / 12 / 10 - W COOLDOWN: 14 / 13.25 / 12.5 / 11.75 / 11 - E.

You can get two Q's off per E till lvl 4 then its pretty much even. Assuming you can stand there long enough later on her E becomes more riskier to get both procs. Q can be used just to poke if you have to, plus you now NEED it for waveclear, specially early. Her E damage really comes from her Passive. Not maxing it 1st doesn't really harm your damage as the Q will scale faster/earlier to add more overall damage,

on topic though, they should just reduce the CD of her W.

You're missing the entire point. Yeah sure, you can max Q and play her, but why not just play Lux if all you're gonna do is cast, cast, cast? LB is a nuker assassin. It's burst damage she excels at. Lux and Brand would do a much better job at the way you're utilizing LB.

E sets off 2 procs, significant passive damage, and most importantly, Thunderlords. No other champion has the ability to produce this much efficiency over the use of just 1 skill consistently, and no other champion can match up LeBlanc's raw DPS in the timeframe she uses her E.

There's a reason most of the metagame for LB has moved. There's a reason why players, who are way above your level, are doing what they do. Although the nerf on her W may force LB to take points into Q, her nuking deal is still from her E's insane efficiency.

MrHaZeYoMar 9, 20171 votes

You realize why I posted that right? Early game damage wise, lane phase wise. Q will give you more damage cause you can cast it twice in the span of your Chain being off CD.

You used to max W for the wave clear anyway, maxing E on her for early game damage is as effective as her Q. QWEPasQ. WQEPasQ. The damage of the Q twice outweighs the Chain twice untill around Lvl4-5(in the skill) assuming you hit both procs of the Chain. During team fights that a little bit harder because everyone can turn on you and you have to Distort out/back.

Having the Wave clear also allows for you to push up and roam.

I'm sorry who way above my skill is building this way now?

AgravainMar 9, 20171 votes

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You realize why I posted that right? Early game damage wise, lane phase wise. Q will give you more damage cause you can cast it twice in the span of your Chain being off CD.

You used to max W for the wave clear anyway, maxing E on her for early game damage is as effective as her Q. QWEPasQ. WQEPasQ. The damage of the Q twice outweighs the Chain twice untill around Lvl4-5(in the skill) assuming you hit both procs of the Chain. During team fights that a little bit harder because everyone can turn on you and you have to Distort out/back.

Having the Wave clear also allows for you to push up and roam.

I'm sorry who way above my skill is building this way now?

Don't worry, you can keep whining about LB while we enjoyed how broken she is. Who, you ask?...Why do you think LB has an 80+% Ban rate (which hit 92% at one point) in Korea in all tiers? But i understand. It's not possible for your small eyes to see the entire world and not just your elo.

MrHaZeYoMar 9, 20171 votes

What kind of response is that?

She got changed today, I fully understand how she was,

You act as if your high and mighthy, show me some stats my god :).

Link me to her Pick Ban on 7.5. Link me to her builds for patch 7.5. You sound like your talking out your ass. I gave you numbers and reasoning, you just say that people who better then US are doing stuff different. Link me to a creditable twitch streamer Vod.

BlueBilberryMar 9, 20172 votes

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You're missing the entire point. Yeah sure, you can max Q and play her, but why not just play Lux if all you're gonna do is cast, cast, cast? LB is a nuker assassin. It's burst damage she excels at. Lux and Brand would do a much better job at the way you're utilizing LB.

E sets off 2 procs, significant passive damage, and most importantly, Thunderlords. No other champion has the ability to produce this much efficiency over the use of just 1 skill consistently, and no other champion can match up LeBlanc's raw DPS in the timeframe she uses her E.

There's a reason most of the metagame for LB has moved. There's a reason why players, who are way above your level, are doing what they do. Although the nerf on her W may force LB to take points into Q, her nuking deal is still from her E's insane efficiency.

If you have been checking the top players since this patch rollout, and the players out of Korea on op.gg, then you would see that the E is not being maxed first. Yes, it's important - but I think you are missing the boat. Even the Champ Enthusiasts have been playing Leblanc less in favour of the alternatives.

Craft ZeppelinMar 9, 20171 votes

Personally, I find her still doing enough damage somehow even after the nerfs. She did way too much just by the passive alone. And the waveclear is busted again, just like after the rework.