Riot, thank you for Rakan. Xayah too.

Inari Fox Orrion·Apr 21, 2017·21 votes·2,609 views

Now my new-favorite support, akin to a bard in DnD or any other bard-like class, he's fun as fuck to play. Not overpowered on release () but nor are they underpowered () so... I just wanted to say, thank you. You know you've done something very right when there's no highly-upvoted "RAKAN IS OP AF NERF PL0X" threads.

~~After all of the bitching I did because of awful matchmaking experiences in ranked, I wanted to end the day they came out and became my favourite/s with a "thank you" and not a "fuck you" ^.^~~

27 Comments

DerfelApr 21, 20177 votes

I have no idea what you're saying Rakan is broken as shit. What you're doing here is pretty much writing a thank you letter to mc donalds for selling burgers. What a stupid thing to do.

Inari Fox OrrionApr 21, 20175 votes

http://www.op.gg/champion/rakan/statistics/support http://www.lolking.net/champions/rakan#/overview http://lolalytics.com/champion/Rakan/

Look at his winrate. He's just above Ryze and below everyone else. If you lost to him, you either sucked hard or he was really fucking good.

Being thankful they at the very least released him in a somewhat balanced state (albeit under-powered slightly) is how to get more champions released in a balanced fucking state, because without thanks THEY HAVE NO REASON TO DO IT.

nice tableApr 21, 20172 votes

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/rakan a new semi mechanically intensive champion reaches over 50% win ratio at 8+ games played, yeah his going to get nerfed and anyone who says his "under-powered" is stupid.

Inari Fox OrrionApr 21, 20174 votes

No.

People in general use more than one source for a reason.

Use OP.GG and Champion.GG and LolAlytics and LolKing and LeagueOfGraphs. Not just one and one alone. Singular information from all of the listed sites is unreliable.

nice tableApr 21, 20172 votes

so the person qqing about source credibility links me to wikipedia ... twice ... to the same page.

championgg and lolking are trash sites that should never be used, lolalytics and opgg don't provide the same kind of statistics so comparing the 3 would be retarded and on top of that they haven't updated yet.

Inari Fox OrrionApr 21, 20173 votes

Because both links involve the exact same thing, in the exact same context in the exact same sentence. Wikipedia is credible because it actually defines what is what, and short in short everything from offline to online to handheld dictionaries agree on the definition of 'confirmation bias'.

Of course it's freely-editable, so it'll have plenty of trolls ~~the Anita remarks in the entry on Adolf come to mind~~ but it also has a LOT of superusers to fix that because it's popular thanks to being credible and vice-versa. I challenge you to prove otherwise, and if you can't, then... well, you can't argue.

By the way, LolAlytics, LolKing, OP.GG and Champion.GG DO display the same info: champion pick-rates, builds, and all but one have the ability to skew it based on division and rank. You're using ONE site, and then getting asshurt when someone tells you to use more than what just confirms what you think.

It helps you later in life, too, so... Being able to check multiple sources for info, that is. It prevents bias, and in turn confirmation bias... which is looking for evidence that supports what you claim and... denying all other evidence contrary. ;)

Oh by the way, LolKing, LolAlytics. OP.GG all say that he evens out at 48% after 15~ games played on average. So... three sources beat one. ~~I didn't fact-check this. I want you to try and genuinely prove me wrong.~~

Edit: Removed a link. I don't want to be a hypocrite.

Edit2: Rakan's LoLGraphs profile doesn't seem to exist.

nice tableApr 21, 20171 votes

Oh by the way, LolKing, LolAlytics. OP.GG all say that he evens out at 48% after 15~ games played on average. So... three sources beat one.

well i can't argue with arguments that are as retarded as "its this because i have a vagina" so i guess you can "win" this one. none of the sites you listed actually confirm what you said and you bringing a essay of bullshit into this to hide the fact you aren't actually saying anything at all, might work in middle school buddy but it stops at a point.

Inari Fox OrrionApr 21, 20173 votes

The irony is that you're still talking with nothing to say for yourself.

And by the way... read the ~~strikethrough text~~, so... if you can't prove me wrong then it's just proof you really don't care or don't even have an argument counter to it. And it is proof.

But hey, start with this shit instead of a functional counterargument; Really makes you look like someone worth listening to, y'know?

nice tableApr 21, 20171 votes

if you took that as a personal attack you might actually be mentally challenged, clearly you never read the sources you provided your self or you would see the gaping holes in your argument but hey at least you can make false claims, talk shit about my arguments not based on them being wrong but based on them not being based on your sources and call this a personal attack when the only thing i know about you is that you are bronze and i haven't even brought it up until now.

Inari Fox OrrionApr 21, 20172 votes

Never said it was one. I said I didn't want it to become one.

Anyway, I've read my own sources. You say I have gaping holes in my argument, and you never tell me what those are, instead you're too focused on covering the cracks in yours via an argument... without a foundation.

But take it however you will; I won't reply further. Goodbye, my friend; I wish you luck.

nice tableApr 21, 20171 votes

at the time of my first reply and your first reply the only source available with statistics on that matter was leagueofgraphs, as of right now the other sources will confirm my argument if they have been updaded, also making a claim that the most credible source for league of legends statistics is not valid enough for you seems fairly dumb especially when you are telling me to give you more sources when its the only one available on the matter.

Chembaron YamadaApr 21, 20177 votes

It is way too early now to say if Rakan is balanced or not. Iverns winrate was incredibly low at release and look what happened to it.

Iverns playstyle was different from every other jungler in the game. People had to adjust to his playstyle first to use him at his full potential. Same could apply here, Rakan plays pretty different from every other support in the game. He has the play pattern of an assassin (jumping in the enemy team, doing stuff, then jumping out again) and a pretty high skill ceiling in my opinion.

We definitely should wait before calling him balanced.

Inari Fox OrrionApr 21, 20172 votes

We should, but we also got to remember how Ivern came to be. Daisy had a massive A.I update so she wouldn't do literally nothing anymore, and Ivern himself had the Q cooldown lowered to a point it's actually functionally useful as an initiation and a chase tool, two major things that seem to be set aside as fairly minor.

We don't need to call him balanced, we need to thank Riot for not making him excruciatingly broken on release a' la' Bard Zyra Camille Bard AurelionSol Bard Bard Bard .

Glory ln DeathApr 21, 20176 votes

Even after the stats hotfix and the Daisy and Q buffs, Ivern still took a full month to break 50% winrate (6 weeks after his release) with no additional buffs. Granted, Rakan is nowhere near Ivern's level of uniqueness, but be will still see a pretty dramatic rise in his winrate even without buffs. He plays way differently than other supports.

Inari Fox OrrionApr 21, 20171 votes

Hmm...

...well, I'll admit bias here; I learn pretty fast to the point I've already grasped exactly how to play Rakan, as well as the functionality of his skills, and so I expect the same of other people even if I sort of[?] know it's unreasonable because everyone is not good at everything.

We'll see! I will reserve judgement.

An Undead bratApr 21, 20171 votes

XinZhao not listed?

LooknookApr 22, 20173 votes

Why do you have Bard all over the place? Pretty sure he has only ever received buffs and no nerfs since his inception.

Inari Fox OrrionApr 22, 20171 votes

That's sorta' my point; He was abysmally weak on release to the point people thought you're a troll for picking him.

lilpokflufApr 21, 20172 votes

Yeah they cool.

Mech0pApr 21, 20172 votes

imo rakan may need some nerfs... His mobility is way to high and makes it extremely hard to get on him... I mean he comes in knocks you up and is out before you get aq chance to try any sort of cc not to mention his heal+shield combo is ridiculous... I personally think he should only get one or the other not both... But it is still early and ill give it another week so I can actually learn his abilities and learn to play around him as adc and the revisit this topic but he still seems pretty strong right now...

FishlordApr 21, 20171 votes

When was the last time riot released something that was worthwhile? Xayah and Rakan are literally one of the worst releases so far. What happened to champions with cool kits like Zed who when you ult someone their heart explodes. And then we have generic sh!tter champs like Xayah. Oh, auto attack. all she does. her whole kit is complete crappa lappa. and then Rakan, the annoying little autistic 12 year old who just dashes 2 times and taunts like rammus. We need more champions with diversity, pls riot.

Inari Fox OrrionApr 21, 20171 votes

...but isn't a champion with a skill Zed has, a skill Rammus has, a skill Lucian has, a skill Kat has still a new and unique/diverse champion?

Don't even get me started on the character design for Xayah and Rakan. I fucking love it; It's not superficial at all. They're also a really fucking adorable couple, so that helps.

Count LieberkuhnApr 21, 20174 votes

There is so much wrong with this comment. Zed's kit is cool now that it's a bit fairer to play against, but Xayah is one of the more interesting ADCs. And yes, she is auto-attack based because that's what ADCs do. They excel at auto-attacking. But her true kit revolves around prepping her E for big damage, and the zoning that comes with it. She's shit at chasing, but tough to engage on safely. She's not top tier, but she's fun and different.

Rakan is a support that's fun to play, feeling like Lee Sin if he was designed as a support. He probably has the most outplay potential of any support in the game, and a very high skill ceiling.

You just come off as a Zed main edgelord in this comment.

Chromatic EagleApr 21, 20171 votes

How do you even play against him though? I feel like you have to ban him in ranked.

zaire90Apr 22, 20172 votes

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How do you even play against him though? I feel like you have to ban him in ranked.

poke him hard and dodge his q during laning so now he has no sustain i find bard counters him pretty hard because of that (slightly biased as i would play him following this rule when rakan would get stolen)