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Jungling is frustrating.

Inari Fox Orrion·7/25/2019, 8:26:56 AM·49 votes·15,673 views

It's not frustrating in a normal way. A better word might be 'infuriating' to be fair. It's a role that requires your team not to feed before you can even gank. It's a role that requires people to go in when you gank and/or engage. It's a role that requires you to pick a specific set of champions to fight over scuttlecrab if you meet. It's a role that requires your team to come & help when the enemy jungler's caught counter-jungling. It's a role that snowballs entire lanes through one or two kills.

You know, maybe if you reduced the value of kills, then you can actually reduce snowballing and increase the power of the jungler, you know? Currently they decide games if their teammates are competent, and they are nonexistent if their teammates are chimps. One single kill will net the jungler and either the ADC+Support, the Mid, or the Top a minimum of 450-600g + 2 turret plates, not counting the enemy laner's missed farm. That's around 770-920g, equating to 22-26 AD, 35-42 AP, 19-23 Crit%, 30-36 AttackSpeed%, 20-24 LifeSteal%, 34-40 Lethality, or 24-29 MPen. That's, for the ADC with the best AD growth (Jhin), 5 whole levels of stats. Isn't that kind of extreme in this high-burst instant-death low-counterplay meta?

Do me and every other jungler a favor and fuck off make kills less important. It used to be that three minion waves (27x9, 63x1, 20x9) was worth more than a kill and that's what had kept the assassin carries and champions focused on killing people from becoming overbearing. Now that it's gone, guess what: those champions are permaban status, and now jungle has to be nerfed incessantly to keep it from becoming overbearing as well. All because kills are now the name of the game.

91 Comments

Respect Women XD7/25/2019, 9:15:48 AM22 votes

EVERY ROLE IN THIS GAME IS FRUSTRATING

Tr4shB4NSYST3M7/25/2019, 4:16:20 PM12 votes

The biggest problem with JG right now is how Awful it feels to play when your team gets even just a little behind early. And if you get behind and enemy laners support their jungler you basically just get removed from the game.

Durzaka7/25/2019, 4:54:24 PM7 votes

I love Jungle, but ive pretty much given up playing it because nothing feels worse than clearing your entire jungle (krugs AND gromp) and having no gank opportunities, and just having to recall, only to get back to your jungle and look for ganks and all of your team is pushed forward without any vision.

And youre just sitting there like "I guess I just go try and counter gank one of the 3 routes the enemy could take to destroy my team because I cant do anything else"

CytheGuy7/25/2019, 4:56:55 PM7 votes

There's so much pressure on you as a jungle to do everything right to boost your team into carry status, but simultaneously there is a lot of pressure on your team to not feed when you can't help them, which helping is your job, but you can't be there every single time despite it feeling like you need to be there every single time. There's just so much paradoxical shit in the role that it becomes extremely difficult to know what the right call is when you're deciding what to do now, what to do later, and what to be planning for.

Daddy Ants7/25/2019, 4:17:22 PM6 votes

Jungle's too reliant on laners.

If enemy laners rotate to a scuttle and your laners don't you're automatically behind on XP / Tempo.

huhndog7/25/2019, 11:53:53 AM5 votes

What I hate is that riot did nothing to fix the crappy state the put jungle in with the scuttle change. All they did after was delay its spawn time. Half of the dang time, I can gank before the dang thing spawns. At this point I would just want the jungle to be back when it was s7.

Ephixus7/25/2019, 11:50:00 AM5 votes

Well yup Jungle role is mostly not rewarded by teammates, you either SUCK because u getting kills, you suck because laners getting ganked without proper vision and map awareness, you suck because you couldnt 1v5 an objective.

TheBrothersGrymm7/25/2019, 11:24:31 AM5 votes

what i hate is, a lane gets ganked, your not there its now your fault, you go to top to help the enemy gets dragon, its your fault for trying to help, you take a kill on accident but you secure a kill, its your fault and your garbage, it hate it

Meteora7077/25/2019, 3:40:40 PM4 votes

Currently they decide games if their teammates are competent, and they are nonexistent if their teammates are chimps.

a funny way of saying "best role for carrying low elo", low elo junglers just need to stop being so lazy and learn to path.

The Veiled Flame7/25/2019, 3:37:22 PM3 votes

Yeah this season is different...You can't really farm at all in the jungle. You just take camps until level 3 and rotate to your lanes and hope at least one is gankable. Unfortunately some games you're going to get entire comps that you can't gank for, and I'm not really sure how you win games like that. Sadly you have to pick champs that make the lanes gankable, someone with a significant stun or a root.

U R Good At Game7/25/2019, 7:28:20 PM3 votes

Probably because no low elo jungler in the game actually uses chat. I have duo'ed with many junglers and they will complain all day about about a lane not playing right in voice chat but they will not type a single word. Like no, a laner isn't going to perma-freeze a lane for 20 minutes on the off chance you may or may not come by. You need to physically type: "I'm clearing blue side then coming down, let them push past river starting now". You also need to tell them when you START that side, you can't wait till your at the last camp and say "after gromp coming down". The time to kill gromp in many scenarios isn't enough for them to get the enemies to push far enough to be gankable.

The point being is if you aren't good enough to pick a low elo slammer like yi and yolo 20-5 games then a JG actually needs to use their chat. As a top laner I usually forget my JG is even in the same game as us until I hear dragon screech because they never communicate but at the same time want everyone to be in their ideal position 24/7. JG should be the one in chat the most but they are often the least.

They use the self fulfilling prophecy of my laners always ignore me but guess what...if you don't communicate your letting us all ignore you by default therefore reinforcing your laners never listen idea when it's all on you.

sentosa7/25/2019, 6:47:08 PM2 votes

i find myself unable to play my main (shaco) for two reasons:

shaco is shit rn and riot won't buff him :( games are one-sided: either my laners feed before i can gank (i can only provide effective ganks after levels 5-7, depending on my skill order) or my laners get ahead and crush the enemy.

sad state of the game :((

The Kombinator7/26/2019, 9:13:55 AM2 votes

I would change 3 things that would adjust the jungler issue.

  1. Towers would get a protective aura, that gives shield ally champions in range. So if you get hard countered you can still farm under turret, and not gona be dived at lvl4. Less pressure on jungler.

  2. Dragons wouldn't give permament buffs. Right now if you got a bunch of dragons, then it greatly increase your chances, and even further increase in lategame. All players are fullbuild, but the dragon buffs tip the edge. Again less pressure on jungler, because losing early wouldn't matter in late.

  3. Easier jungle minions, but faster respawns. More champs would be available in jung, counter jungling wouldn't destroy you that much, and more gold, if you simply can't gank, because all lane pushed.

Velasan7/25/2019, 7:40:44 PM2 votes

I would say it has more to do with the amount of background stuff the game currently asks you to keep track of. As a mid and jungle main myself I've become used to it, but anyone who gets auto filled into that role is going to have a horrible time.

As a jungler you need to keep track of: All your side camps and when they are spawning to maintain a solid jungle route for max exp, when your enemies buffs are spawning, where the enemy jungler (or fighting with them), invading, counter ganking, scuttle crabs, active plants, dragon, herald, how low the towers are so you can try to help force down the lowest one for first blood tower, what enemies are pushed up in their lane for ganking, and then later on in the game baron.

All the while still having to deal with the normal stuff of your teammates not feeding, being under leveled, and the enemy jungler trying to do all this same stuff to you. Plus you need your teammates to help rotate on objectives like dragon to ward it and take it. If you have a bad team and you can't safely secure any of these objectives or they are not warding properly and dragon is dark for a lot of the game then you basically don't get to jungle. Even if you are warding all of it yourself, you won't have enough wards and their timers aren't long enough and the enemy will clear your wards through scrying plant/dusk blade/sweeper.

Jungle in a nut shell.

mack91127/25/2019, 5:23:04 PM2 votes

Most important part of jungling is communication

Summoner SpeII7/26/2019, 2:49:26 AM1 votes

u realize the rank 1 is a jungler, and jungler does not need buffs, it needs nerfs. https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Santorin