It is impossible to balance mobility creep at this time

Yma S·Apr 5, 2015·4 votes·780 views

Riot dug themselves this hole a long time ago

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=84234

asking their majority population of double digit IQ players and unranked bads their opinions of game design. These are the same types of people who play shooters with aiming down sights

now it is TOO LATE to remove flash

this game will never stop releasing DASH DASH DASH DASH BLINK FLASH, as long as the current design team exists.

18 Comments

BlastermineApr 5, 20154 votes

Ashe

As if mobility creep has anything to do with flash.

Knight SoIaire Apr 5, 20152 votes

the lack of ballance beetwen mobile and immobile has loads to do with flash

in this case existance of flash and its popularity cause 2 things 1)mobile champions dont pay for their mobility as hard as they should 2)immobile champions dont get compensated for lack of mobility as hard as they should

which in the end can easily lead to owerloaded kits (another problem we face)

i kinda agree with op, it was riots decision and now fixing it can basicaly break the game
but i wont blame them for making profit

catastrophicSkilApr 5, 20151 votes

kay?

Sailor MintApr 5, 20151 votes

What's wrong with mobility exactly?

Pretty much everyone has some mobility. For everyone else, there's always Lulu.

Knight SoIaire Apr 5, 20151 votes

the problem is exacly with "everybody else", they have little to no way of actualy fighting on par with mobile champions and get simply outclassed

Sailor MintApr 5, 20151 votes

I love seeing "outclassed" champions sitting in the top 20 win rates and/or competitive pick/ban every patch.

But nobody who's actually good let Ashe reach late game! People don't fight in Heimer's turrets! Just gank him! Karthus is a free kill mid, jungle and everywhere else!

Actually, it's a lot worse than that. The entire top 20 is dominated by immobile champions. http://i.imgur.com/lvpzZrM.png

ChargeItDownMidApr 5, 20151 votes

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Sailor MintApr 5, 20152 votes

Nunu's Bloodboil is effectively a permanent 12% movement speed buff. Most of his chasing power comes from snowballs. Jinx's Get Excited! is a conditional movement speed buff.

Galio, Heimer, Malzahar, Ashe, Morgana, Annie, Kog'maw, Karthus all fall under low mobility. Volibear is borderline.

Sejuani, Sion, Blitz, Amumu, Hecarim, Sivir all have some sort of on demand mobility.

ChargeItDownMidApr 5, 20151 votes

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Sailor MintApr 5, 20152 votes

Where do you draw the line? There's a huge difference between a weak movement speed buff (Nunu) and a zero limitation blink (Kassadin)

Does any champion who can build Mobility Boots/Righteous Glory/Ghostblade magically become mobile?
Are all ADCs (including Ashe) mobile because they build a Zeal item?

The ability to bypass terrain is more valuable than running around really fast.

ChargeItDownMidApr 5, 20151 votes

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Sailor MintApr 5, 20152 votes

When were they considered mobile?

When did mobility creep hit exactly. Do I need to remind you that Kassadin was released in 2009, Ezreal in 2010 and Ahri in 2011?

You guys are acting as if it was this new thing when the bulk of the champion pool is over 4 years old. Riven and Fizz didn't come out recently, they came out before Season 2 started.

ChargeItDownMidApr 5, 20151 votes

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RaptameiApr 5, 20151 votes

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Nunu was considered mobile when the top champions had long cd on their mobility (tf), 0 mobility (ashe), or even slowed themselves (twitch). SInce then, mobility creep has constantly gotten worse to the point where having 1 mobility spell doesn't even qualify a champions as being mobile.

That's like saying damage creep is out of hand because a champion with only 2 damaging spells is considered low damage.

TheI3igDaddyApr 5, 20151 votes

I wouldn't group Sion, Sej, and Amumu into that bottom list. They, along with Gragas and maybe Nautilus, have mobility revolving around their initiation. They can't really escape well with them because champions can bodyblock those abilities.

BluePolarizerApr 5, 20151 votes

its bronze/silver win rates mostly. bronzes/silvers don't know how to properly punish lack of mobility. Try going against a plat+ LeBlanc or Ahri, the minute they get rolling it is almost impossible to shut them down.

Sailor MintApr 5, 20151 votes

Champion.gg is Plat+ only.

In general, immobile champions have lower win rates at low Elo because players don't know how to make up for their low mobility.