PSA: Akali is still broken
Just why? Just...WHY?!
Just why? Just...WHY?!
"Broken".
Give me a good reason why you seem to think so.
Before you pull out bullshit:
"Broken".
Give me a good reason why you seem to think so.
Before you pull out bullshit:
- No, she can't trade before level 6. Her poke damage is on-par with Janna's, she's melee, doesn't have a gap closer until 6, doesn't have CC, and requires the opponent to be braindead enough to walk up to her. She can only trade if you let her trade. It's not even a Darius level, where you have to "let" him trade with you by coming into range of his pull. You literally have to walk up to her.
- Her innate sustain is a joke in early game. Look at about Ahri's passive. About the time Ahri's sustain becomes relevant, Akali's sustain becomes relevant.
- Her W leaves her inside of it. If you stand on it, she's essentially trapped, unless she can already kill you. Treat it like a Zhonya's, because that's basically what it is.
- Her burst is entirely backloaded onto the second hit of her Q, the second hit of her passive, and Thunderlord's.
- Her R does basically no damage. You thought her Q's initial damage was a joke? Her ult does less. It's strictly mobility. Engage, and disengage if there's an enemy to leap to.
She can use her W as a gap closer and has almost no CD on her Q. She can literally already use it again the moment the mark times out, basically being able to perma pressure you. And her Q W aa combo already hurts early.
Her sustain is maybe not the best early, but it is still there. On almost no CD, and tied to no costs. With just some basic AP you can already heal enough to survive until 6, from when it just becomes broken.
Her W being a Zhonyas? That was the worst example I ever heard. When your enemy has Zhonyas, you know when and where you have to hit. Also, Zhonyas doesn't last 8 seconds and has a laughable 18 seconds CD without CDR. She can just hit you and go invis again while healing up. Also, she can leave and easily disengage from every angle and moment. At least we once had these things called Pink Wards that would counter that shit, but Riot says nope.
Her whole burst being delayed isn't a problem for her cause she can heal up and be invis every time she basically wants to.
The whole champ is just broken and the definition of unhealthy gameplay. Especially her W duration is just BS.
Her Q is a 6 sec cd lv 1, and to proc it, you have to position badly enough for her to do so, and even so, you can trade back.
Her heal is on an 8 sec cd if she doesnt proc the second passive. Zone her off minions. You will most likely be stronger than her pre 6, depending on the champ. She will have to farm with Q, and that means she doesn't get an auto off to heal, or a Q on you for harass.
If you let her get a double Q proc on you, you probably deserve it tbh. Akali's success is based off of the mistakes of her enemy. Her entire design is based on punishing bad positioning.
If she Ws agressively, punish her while it's down. If she uses it defensively, then congrats. She's scared of you. Abuse her.
Akali succeeds mid game if she didnt fall behind in the early game, but late game, or whatever you call that part of the game where the ADC comes online, she's worthless again, so she has to split push. And most split pushers outscale her, so....
Playing scared against Akali kills more people than Akali herself. Abuse her pre 6. Don't let her heal up for free without punishing her.
Ik but it's still easier said than done. mana costs are also a thing, depending on your champion. The best you can do without your jungler is denying her some CS pre 6.
But even if you win pre 6, after she gets
she comes the point where she is strong, if you didn't completely take her down already.
And I absolutely hate playing against that champs power spike in her current state.
Her invisibility and sustain is just so obnoxious to play against mid game imo.
Old Akali with old Pink Wards weren't nearly as much of a pain in the ass.
Speaking for top lane, after she gets gunblade, there's not much you can do against her in lane if shes not behind. I agree. Her kit is toxic by design, which is why she needs a VGU. The only thing you can do is really group because she is basically useless in teamfights unless she builds moderately tanky.
I prefer old Akali, because even if you basically didn't have a W, since 75 gold rendered the ability useless, she could at least kill a squishy before dying. She was actually an assassin before, instead of the bruiser assassin hybrid splitpusher she is now.
Her heal's on an 8s static CD no matter what at level 1. Proc of damage or no, it's 8 seconds.
I thought it was a different cd if she procced the second part. My bad.
She can use her W as a gap closer and has almost no CD on her Q.
Her W is about half the distance of flash. About the same distance as a Riven's third Q. And it has a cast time almost completely negating the jump distance.
Does spamming an ability completely negated by Doran's shield at rank one really do anything for you? No. Doesn't matter if it's 1 or 20, you're negating it by simply having Doran's Shield. Pick up Specter's Cowl, and you've negated initial damage at all ranks.
She can literally already use it again the moment the mark times out, basically being able to perma pressure you. And her Q W aa combo already hurts early.
Q>W>AA what? A minion? She isn't getting close enough to anyone with her W. You have to literally walk up to her for it to matter.
Her sustain is maybe not the best early, but it is still there.
Yeah. It's pretty much identical to the feast mastery.
On almost no CD, and tied to no costs.
8s CD. That's longer than a number of cool downs...
With just some basic AP you can already heal enough to survive until 6, from when it just becomes broken.
Unless they decide to poke her. Or are ranged. Or are Kassadin. Fun fact: She can't beat Kassadin, unless he's completely braindead and afk.
Her W being a Zhonyas? That was the worst example I ever heard. When your enemy has Zhonyas, you know when and where you have to hit.
You know where as well. In the zone. And you can't hurt anyone in Zhonya's anyways. Treat it just like Zhonya's.
You can also use a control ward or sweepers to reveal where she is. She's still untargetable, but you know where she is.
Also, Zhonyas doesn't last 8 seconds and has a laughable 18 seconds CD without CDR.
18s CD is longer than most toplaner's abilities...And she can't rush CDR and do well.
She can just hit you and go invis again while healing up.
Pick one. You can't heal and be invisible. Attacking breaks invisibility.
Also, she can leave and easily disengage from every angle and moment.
Unless she's CC'd.
At least we once had these things called Pink Wards that would counter that shit, but Riot says nope.
Fun fact: You can still hurt her. She can still be seen, revealed, and hit. You just can't AA her or use point and click abilities on her when she's invisible. Try using a sweepers on her next time.
Her whole burst being delayed isn't a problem for her cause she can heal up and be invis every time she basically wants to.
Her heal is crap in early, and outclassed by Gunblade in late. And you can't "become invisible whenever you want" if it's on an 18s CD...
The whole champ is just broken and the definition of unhealthy gameplay.
Broken? No. Unhealthy? Yes. She needs a mini-rework, to make her less shitty before 6, and not instakill as soon as she reaches level 6, and then going back to being useless in late-game.
Especially her W duration is just BS.
W duration is her least useful thing. It really is. Now, it's actually somewhat useful, since 75g doesn't completely invalidate it, but it's still her least useful thing. I end up only using it to get back cooldowns while my team fights, and as a way to get past my own minions. Sometimes I'll attempt to use it to slow the enemy team down when they're chasing my allies. But the only time the ability's really been useful is when I'm dived.
"Broken".
Give me a good reason why you seem to think so.
Before you pull out bullshit:
- No, she can't trade before level 6. Her poke damage is on-par with Janna's, she's melee, doesn't have a gap closer until 6, doesn't have CC, and requires the opponent to be braindead enough to walk up to her. She can only trade if you let her trade. It's not even a Darius level, where you have to "let" him trade with you by coming into range of his pull. You literally have to walk up to her.
- Her innate sustain is a joke in early game. Look at about Ahri's passive. About the time Ahri's sustain becomes relevant, Akali's sustain becomes relevant.
- Her W leaves her inside of it. If you stand on it, she's essentially trapped, unless she can already kill you. Treat it like a Zhonya's, because that's basically what it is.
- Her burst is entirely backloaded onto the second hit of her Q, the second hit of her passive, and Thunderlord's.
- Her R does basically no damage. You thought her Q's initial damage was a joke? Her ult does less. It's strictly mobility. Engage, and disengage if there's an enemy to leap to.
i let the thread talk, and seems like she's broken/toxic
i let the thread talk
What the hell does this even mean? The thread talk? There isn't enough people here (I have the only main comment, and there's a total of 4 people who commented) to even begin to consider balance.
She's not broken. At all. She has a sub-50 winrate (granted, barely, but 49.99%<50%, and 50% is perfect balance). Her kit isn't really toxic, either. Yasuo has a toxic kit. Teemo has a toxic kit. Irelia has a toxic kit. Toxic kits are ones that are completely and utterly unfun to play against, because the only way around it is complicated, impossible, or extremely binary. Akali's kit is nothing like this.
And you gave literally no reasons. This is literally your first comment!
#You still have yet to give any reasons why. You just said she's broken, and screamed "WHY????" like some cheesy, c-list actor. You have literally given no reasons why you think she's broken
"Akali " "Nothing like this "
i did answer, read the thread [sg-ahri-2]
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"Toxic kits are ones that are completely and utterly unfun to play against, because the only way around it is complicated, impossible, or extremely binary. Akali's kit is nothing like this."
"Akali " "Nothing like this "
I did. Akali's annoying. Not toxic. There are a lot of annoying champions to fight. Ashe is annoying. Ahri is annoying. Illaoi is annoying. None of them are toxic.
i did answer, read the thread [sg-ahri-2]
The only people who commented are me, Shadòw, and TrashAtThisGame, before now. You are none of those three.
"Broken? No. Unhealthy? Yes." "Akali's annoying. Not toxic "
Choose one
try again kiddo, the answer is up there [sg-miss-fortune]
"Broken? No. Unhealthy? Yes."
That's the first time that's been said in this thread, dipshit.
Broken? No. Unhealthy? Yes. She needs a mini-rework, to make her less shitty before 6, and not instakill as soon as she reaches level 6, and then going back to being useless in late-game.
actually you said that.
what's it like being dumb [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
Akali's kit is pretty toxic and unhealthy, but she isn't broken.
Her entire thematic is punishing enemy mistakes, which is fine and all, but her main counterplay as a melee is "be stronger than her" or "do more damage than her."
She's basically similar to Irelia in that case.
Eh. Better than Irelia for certain, in that you don't lose by beating her in a trade. That shit's just annoying.
And I'm not certain she's really that toxic.
well you're pretty dumb for certain, so i wouldn't be certain to trust yourself either [zombie-nunu-bummed]
the threat has spoken, sit down![]()
"Broken".
Give me a good reason why you seem to think so.
Before you pull out bullshit:
- No, she can't trade before level 6. Her poke damage is on-par with Janna's, she's melee, doesn't have a gap closer until 6, doesn't have CC, and requires the opponent to be braindead enough to walk up to her. She can only trade if you let her trade. It's not even a Darius level, where you have to "let" him trade with you by coming into range of his pull. You literally have to walk up to her.
- Her innate sustain is a joke in early game. Look at about Ahri's passive. About the time Ahri's sustain becomes relevant, Akali's sustain becomes relevant.
- Her W leaves her inside of it. If you stand on it, she's essentially trapped, unless she can already kill you. Treat it like a Zhonya's, because that's basically what it is.
- Her burst is entirely backloaded onto the second hit of her Q, the second hit of her passive, and Thunderlord's.
- Her R does basically no damage. You thought her Q's initial damage was a joke? Her ult does less. It's strictly mobility. Engage, and disengage if there's an enemy to leap to.
All these weaknesses don’t matter because akali tend to play super safe and once she hits lvl 6 and buy 1 item, yes 1 item, that’s gunblade you might as well say GG and FF or just stand in your base. With short cool down, point and click spammable abilities she can out trade and out sustain champs like
. With that kit and gun blade she can probably out trade and out sustain a 
I mainly have problem with her shroud, its way too retardedly strong. It's almost like a zhonyas on short cd and u can moved and attack and become invisible again. You can't trade against her at all after lvl5 at all and even though she is fairly weak pre lvl-5 shes hard to kill because of her w
YEA BUT AFTER LVL 6 AKLI GETS UNHOLY GETS GOD POWER AND 1 SHOTS UR MOM