How do you beat a Renekton that rushes sunfire and black cleaver?

ApexInTheCircle·May 21, 2015·2 votes·889 views

Because armor doesn't do shit against him and I'm tired of losing the to dumb piece of shit.

15 Comments

Deep Terror NamiMay 21, 20151 votes

Probably counter-pick against him or simply don't try to win lane. Sometimes you have to resign yourself to losing your lane in order to not feed, and let your team take care of it.

But hey, I suck at top lane so idk.

ApexInTheCircleMay 21, 20151 votes

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Probably counter-pick against him or simply don't try to win lane. Sometimes you have to resign yourself to losing your lane in order to not feed, and let your team take care of it.

But hey, I suck at top lane so idk.

Any attempt to sit at the back line of minions has failed due to his double dash stun. I wouldn't have a problem if his damage wasn't so high for him building tank. I have yet to find armor useful against him and his sustain sure doesn't help.

FooDangMay 21, 20151 votes

His dash is linear, so if you can predict where he dashs to, you can dodge out of AA range. Easier if you stay max distance of his 2nd dash.

GrimspeakeMay 21, 20151 votes

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His dash is linear, so if you can predict where he dashs to, you can dodge out of AA range. Easier if you stay max distance of his 2nd dash.

he only has a 2nd dash if he hits something with his first. just be careful for your minions inbetween you and him.

DrNovaMay 21, 20151 votes

Those two items make most top laners much harder to deal with.

Out farm. Easier said then done, but if you can take some poke and dont waste your time trying to trade back you can slowly get ahead in farm. Get pots and defence's first. Depends on your champ and how much they want to try to poke/trade.
Get jungle to help more, since your just farming you should get pushed to tower.

These are very generic tips that can still work. To be honest though if he's got both those items its either later in the game, or you fed or someone fed him so its too late and you need your team

ApexInTheCircleMay 21, 20151 votes

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Those two items make most top laners much harder to deal with.

Out farm. Easier said then done, but if you can take some poke and dont waste your time trying to trade back you can slowly get ahead in farm. Get pots and defence's first. Depends on your champ and how much they want to try to poke/trade.

Get jungle to help more, since your just farming you should get pushed to tower.

These are very generic tips that can still work. To be honest though if he's got both those items its either later in the game, or you fed or someone fed him so its too late and you need your team

Well by the time he has any health on him it makes it impossible for most to deal with. So you have to basically turn your lane into a game of waiting or attempting to farm.

DrNovaMay 21, 20151 votes

Which is how a top lane played well by both tops end up, with most top champs. I believe higher elo's its more of a farm fest, where as lower elo's there is more dying involved, could be wrong.

But I rarely see Ren, cant remember the last time I saw him much less played against hi, and I only have a general understanding of his kit so I dont know the details of fighting him.

Look up some of his counters I'd say.

IcyPepperMay 21, 20151 votes

item 3153 to counter his health stacking, I believe?

Cenobite AzazielMay 21, 20151 votes

Pick nasus and proceed to farm under turret. rush glacial shroud. Just keep farmiing.

ApexInTheCircleMay 21, 20151 votes

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Pick nasus and proceed to farm under turret. rush glacial shroud. Just keep farmiing.

It's funny you mention that. I'm playing him right now and destroying this Rene.

FooDangMay 21, 20151 votes

Depends on the champion you lane against him. Armor doesn't effect AP champs.

GrimspeakeMay 21, 20151 votes

farm, farm and farm some more while being safe, give up the couple cs if u think u might die or get chunked to hard for it, try and stay in xp range if u can tho. wait until laning is over and boom your more useful then renektion. or u can always give up a tower so u have time to roam and help other lanes and then come back to your tier 2 for a phatty wave

LifeCyclesTWAMay 21, 20151 votes

Renekton pushes his lane naturally through the use of his culling. He also pushes to build his rage up, similar to Tryndamere. So, use that to your advantage. Keep in mind Renekton was designed to be a monster early-game then fall off late-game. He is the opposite of Nasus. Nasus isn't going to bully you until he is farmed, Renekton will bully you until you are farmed.

junglerboy16May 21, 20151 votes

Play Olaf

Olaf out ranges him, out sustains him, outduels him, outscales him, and can bypass Renekton's Armor with his E's true damage. Basically, he is the anti-bully, and that is why he is good against Renekton (or at least, on par with him), because he can take the beating renekton dishes out, while giving one back. Both you and Renekton thrive at low health (he gets more fury, you get more AS and sustain), and while poking him with Q too often will run you OOM, you can control the wave quite well by allowing him to push a little and then Q-ing through it or using W to sustain and counter push the wave. If you pick up a Tiamat, you can easily push the wave for no mana, which puts the ball in your court to use your E and Q to harass Renekton into submission.

That said, don't get cocky, Renekton is still a strong laner and you aren't likely to be able to 1v1 kill him early on unless he makes a mistake, and being too aggressive yourself will leave you vulnerable to ganks or to Renekton capitalizing on your mistake. Basically, don't let yourself be punished while taking every advantage to punish Renekton back.

Renekton's Dash>stun>cull>dash out combo can be pretty annoying, but you can easily sustain through it and are naturally tanky enough that he won't be able to burst you unless you are very low to begin with. Your E alone will deal almost 3/4 as much damage as his full combo (because true damage), and when you go on him after he combos you, his dash will be down meaning you can just permaslow with Q and smack him to pieces.

Now, I'm not a great Olaf player myself, so if you'd like to know more about how to lane with him (other than these basics I mentioned), I'd suggest checking out this guy's build/guide over on lolking: http://www.lolking.net/guides/248513 . it is super in depth and has a lot of very high elo strategy and the guy who made it definitely knows what he's talking about.