Tell me if im wrong, but i though that the ADC was supposed to be the player you had to protect because they had a ton of damage an in most cases no way to protect themselves. I dont think Phantom Dancer is a terrible item design, just it should be more for skirmishers/bruisers, classes who want to be dueling others for solo kills and not for marksmen, who want to stand in the back and dont want it to come to a 1v1.
I hate my ADC5 votesBecause a dead ADC is useless.
Astôlfo5 votesOkay? So? If they don't want to die, they should play smarter and not rely on a horribly designed item.
I hate my ADC4 votesPlaying smarter means knowing when to build defensive items.
Astôlfo4 votesExcept they really shouldn't be able to use strong defensive items. The general limit should be things like Maw/Mercurial/QSS/Youmuu's (sort of)/lifesteal, and GA late game. If they don't want to die, they should stick with their team and play behind the tanks or such. Not rely on abusing horribly designed items or items not even meant for them like Sterak's.
I hate my ADC4 votes
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this lol
Astôlfo1 votesmmk. thanks for the incredibly constructive and well thought-out reply.
ZT Xperimentor4 votesThe team should be protecting said marksmen, and the marksmen shouldn't be doing something stupid like roaming alone.
I hate my ADC4 votesWell duh. But even with a team protecting him, he still has to get in range to attack people which put him at risk of getting bursted down.
Astôlfo1 votesUh yeah except then the team could just CC them.
Astôlfo4 votesBecause PD is an awfully designed item.
Critmaster Garen4 votes{quoted} I dont think Phantom Dancer is a terrible item design,
i do. since the item was reworked to include % damage reduction.
ranged adc are balanced around being squishy and susceptible to getting bursted by mages and assassins or getting caught out by fighters. its their counterweight for their almost comical lategame damage from distance.
and then theyre given a bunch of items that allow them to break their own rules and make them unproportionally resilient to burst or duelling assassins and fighters.
look at the mobility items for bruisers for example. mainly. 
it still follows the same rules of susceptability to kiting, since the movement speed falls off when the wearer is cced. which makes it situationally good on slow champions to roam or to flank.
but it doesnt straight up negate an intended weakness like defensive adc items do.
its even worse, that these powerful defensive mchanisms are tacked on to extremely strong offensive items and dont cut into the carries damage potential.
colesy3 votesthe whole reason marksmen buy it is when the enemy team has a diver sitting on them and they want some damage reduction which gives them atkspd+crit at the same time. if you're not being focused you just go any of the other zeal items.
WoonStruck3 votesADCs given tools to deal with other classes without sacrificing anything, meanwhile other classes aren't given tools to deal with ADCs, and if they are, there are SERIOUS drawbacks for it. #balance
Critmaster Garen4 votesADCs given tools to deal with other classes without sacrificing anything, meanwhile other classes aren't given tools to deal with ADCs, and if they are, there are SERIOUS drawbacks for it. #balance
exactly on point.
in the past, if a carry needed extra safety, he had to build items like 
which cut into his damage potential for the extra safety.
but now they just can go for a 6 item offensive build with a ridiculous amount of defensive mechanisms just tacked onto these items.
WoonStruck3 votes6 item offensive build, better items, Fervor, more % multipliers from masteries.
Riot: "ADC rework was a TOTAL success guys." :^)
I'd say they do more damage this season than seasons 1 and 2 (when their late game was considered broken, but they paid for it with absurdly weak early games), meanwhile tank items are about half as powerful as far as efficiency/power than they were back then AND there are more ways to mitigate their effects.
But people complain that tanks are broken because they refuse to build 
or 
before 5th/6th item and don't have a single defensive item...and don't think their team needs to peel for them. lol
Lock On6 votesAre you joking? Sacrificing things like additional crit or magic damage, lifesteal, and useful actives to keep them alive in exchange for damage is HUGE. A Jinx with IE runans and bloodthirster will be doing a lot more dmg than IE, PD, Mercurial but makes it super easy for a cc tank or assassin to flank the team and lock down the carry for a free kill. At least bruisers/tanks can do their jobs no matter what health items they build. Need MR? Here's a boat ton of health, magic resist, cooldown, and a glorious healing passive: 
Armor? Hey hey, why not a fat health and armor item with a crippling slow active: 
or, if you need the movement speed of Ghost, here's . All you have to do is walk in with your 3000 hp, resistances and movement speed to lock down the carry for 2 seconds to win most of your fights.
WoonStruck2 votes 75 AD
65 AD
Wow, that Jinx is really killing her damage output there...
And Bloodthirster is another defensive item...it grants effectively 350 HP at level 18, and holds 20% lifesteal...which is a defensive stat.
Seriously, are you stupid? ADC defensive items are so over-tuned that you honestly think one of their defensive items is an offensive item...lol
_ Edit: Didn't include PD/Runaan's because all Runaan's offers, DPS-wise, is 15 on-hit damage, which is often going to be less than 5% of her damage; less than 1% if she crits. The 5% AS on PD effectively nullifies that. _
What ADCs give up for defenses is effectively nothing. Its so insignificant compared to their increased survivability that its honestly laughable how big of a damage difference you're trying to make it out to be.
Lock On2 votesYou're calling me stupid when you don't realize how much of a difference a carry with an extra 10 AD and crit makes in damage output during a teamfight. Hilarious. You must also believe the random AD buff on Essence Reaver and other items was just for funsies by Riot's balancing team.
WoonStruck1 votesWhat crit would Jinx be missing out on?
Defensively, she still had IE and PD...which is the same as IE+Runaan's.
Considering Fervor and other AD she already had...that 10 AD is less than a 1% damage increase. Do math. You. Are. Wrong.
Also, you still haven't address that Bloodthister is a DEFENSIVE ITEM, so that 10 AD doesn't matter because its still on a DEFENSIVE ITEM.
Lifesteal is a defensive stat for ADCs. Much less so for other classes.
Lock On1 votesBetween PD Runans, same crit, huge difference in damage (2 extra auto attacks that can crit) Some carries go for a 50% crit build, others do 70%, depending on whether they're grabbing another zeal item or built ER.
Using percentages skews the argument in your favor and blinds you from seeing the real difference that 1% increase makes. I'd encourage you to hop onto a custom with a typical lvl 8 adc build against another with different offensive/defensive itemization. Otherwise, you shouldn't comment on things you don't understand, like the role, or the itemization, or dps.
Watch this, Phylol gives a great overview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUNchrSm_3o
Essentially, it's glass-cannon autistic dmg build to chunk the fat tank ekko and j4 while they murder your team, or a defensive build so you can survive the Zed or Yasuo running into you.
I hate my ADC2 votesWhat do you think you are doing using common sense in a thread meant to QQ about ADCs being OP. Showing people that other roles also have broken ass items that does everything for them.
Go away, nobody wants someone being right on these boards.
WoonStruck2 votesI like how you're bringing smurf accounts in to downvote. Classy.
warpenguin5551 votesI like how you're bringing smurf accounts in to downvote. Classy.
lol what?
Mcsquzzy1 votesI feel that PD only shines when 2 AA champs are in a fight, since the winner will be decided by crit chance and dps. An item that lowers damage done by one champ while increasing AS and crit chance is an advantage but feels more niche then the other offensive items with defensive attributes. Anyways I mainly choose it over the other Zeal items purely for the higher AS and chase potential.
