Have people forgotten that RUNES ARE FREE?

Illâoi Evê Siôn·Nov 9, 2017·16 votes·1,709 views

"We're getting 20% less IP" "Blue Essence sucks" "Champion Capsules suck" "Blablabla"

Even if your complaints were true, which they shouldn't be, new players are still saving lots and lots of time and effort not having to buy Runes, the super extensive IP sinks that were a prerequisite for competitive play?

And if you say "Oh no, they just have to buy Rune Pages which are so much more expensive" they had to do that before, too!. Now at least you have 5 additional preset Rune Page that are good and you can use for free.

Hextech Crafting makes everything much cheaper as well.

Be honest, you probably just don't like the delayed reward system, the RNG, blue essence or that things have changed.

38 Comments

Sona PingNov 9, 20175 votes

" Have people forgotten that RUNES ARE FREE? " Yes. They have apparently.

"And if you say "Oh no, they just have to buy Rune Pages which are so much more expensive" they had to do that before, too!. Now at least you have 5 additional preset Rune Page that are good and you can use for free. "

Not even that far. You can just use the single page, like everyone I've ever seen play League do for the past two years.

ArvDaBeastNov 9, 20175 votes

But we had masteries. Now masteries are gone or mixed with runes. You can only have 2 rune pages. Before, I just had an AD and AP rune page and i was ok with it since we had unlimited masteries

DrCyanideNov 9, 20172 votes

Speak for yourself, I've got 16 rune pages.

ElipoNov 11, 20172 votes

You can change them in champion select screen (they are working on a bug that doesn't let you, but they are intended to be able to be changed) besides everyone has 5 more runes pages for free, yeah, you cannot change them but it is still better than no free rune pages.

QuephaNov 9, 20175 votes

Yup. Riot made several objective improvements to the system and all people are doing are complaining about the feelsbad parts of the system that have always been around even though they feel way less bad than ever before.

"It will take so many games to unlock a 6300 champion" That was always the case, it always took about a month to afford 6300 IP. Fun fact: Riot wants you to spend money on champions. If you're smart and patient you can get the champions without spending money and that hasn't changed at all.

"I don't get anything after an individual game" You already got nothing after an individual game, 100 IP is nothing unless it happens to be the last little nickel you need to afford a 10 dollar champion in the store. Only tier 1 and 2 runes were cheap enough to afford from the funds of a single match and that was a complete waste of your IP.

ŠternbergNov 9, 20174 votes

Preset riot made uncustomizable rune pages = garbage

archerno1Nov 9, 20172 votes

{quoted}

Preset riot made uncustomizable rune pages = garbage

And its free garbage. It doesnt affect you in any way.

ŠternbergNov 9, 20171 votes

{quoted}

And its free garbage. It doesnt affect you in any way.

Ikr, but they should have made them customizable.

Sona PingNov 9, 20173 votes

No, they shouldn't have. They are intended to be newbie presets for people who don't understand the system, the intention was not "give everyone 5 free pages".

Like I enjoy free stuff as much as anybody, but that's not what they are there for.

archerno1Nov 9, 20172 votes

{quoted}

Ikr, but they should have made them customizable.

Well you have 2 pages that are customizable. If they made presets customizable that would just give you free 5 rune pages in addition to other 2 free pages. People wouldnt have reason to buy extra rune pages.

ŠternbergNov 9, 20172 votes

{quoted}

Well you have 2 pages that are customizable. If they made presets customizable that would just give you free 5 rune pages in addition to other 2 free pages. People wouldnt have reason to buy extra rune pages.

Obviously this is made to earn more. I would rather create a word document with the best masteries for every champ I play rather than buying over 15 additional rune pages for 100 euros.

archerno1Nov 9, 20172 votes

{quoted}

Obviously this is made to earn more. I would rather create a word document with the best masteries for every champ I play rather than buying over 15 additional rune pages for 100 euros.

Well yes, its made to earn more. Noone is denying that. Free to play games make money like this.

ŠternbergNov 9, 20173 votes

{quoted}

Well yes, its made to earn more. Noone is denying that. Free to play games make money like this.

I think most of the community have spent on this game more than an AAA game, they still don't earn enough?

archerno1Nov 9, 20171 votes

{quoted}

I think most of the community have spent on this game more than an AAA game, they still don't earn enough?

What is "enough"?

ŠternbergNov 9, 20171 votes

{quoted}

What is "enough"?

Having one game and having a stunning 1.6 billion revenue isn't enough? Greed is not a good thing.

archerno1Nov 9, 20172 votes

{quoted}

Having one game and having a stunning 1.6 billion revenue isn't enough? Greed is not a good thing.

Well, look it this way. If they decided they have enough money, they would close League.

ŠternbergNov 9, 20171 votes

{quoted}

Well, look it this way. If they decided they have enough money, they would close League.

Why close something when it still gives you profit? You don't need to make more things to pay for. Just let it be, like it was.

Inner SquidNov 9, 20173 votes

not really, just gotta put some thought into how to use them

AterpaterNov 9, 20174 votes

You have to buy mastery pages in practice, not rune pages. Considering the overall nerf on BE and OE and free stuff gain, I suppose, too many guys were okay with a generic AD and AP rune page before, without spending money, so they came up with this.

Renaming the mastery system to runes is a pretty cheap trick...

ŠternbergNov 9, 20172 votes

{quoted}

You have to buy mastery pages in practice, not rune pages. Considering the overall nerf on BE and OE and free stuff gain, I suppose, too many guys were okay with a generic AD and AP rune page before, without spending money, so they came up with this.

Renaming the mastery system to runes is a pretty cheap trick...

Exactly this is what happened.

EedatNov 9, 20172 votes

Already had all the runes I wanted and even some oddballs ones. This system offers nothing to me that I didnt already have

TrollmanshipNov 9, 20172 votes

First off, RNG deciding your champion pool is fucking retarded.

Second off, they did nerf IP so stop defending Riot for nickle and diming the player base? You really think people are going to be happy about that?

Sl4yerKingNov 11, 20172 votes

Overall I just think that everything became a lot less customizable. I can't seem to find any good combinations for something like mana regen, before I could just add some runes, Now im pretty sure there is a total of one rune for mana regen , and it's not even for base mana regen. What the fuck? They also got rid of Biscuits. Replaced with a new one that does basically nothing.

Illâoi Evê SiônNov 11, 20171 votes

There's four total Mana management runes (Manaflow Band, Presence of Mind, Biscuit Delivery, Kleptomancy) and they more than make up for the two Masteries and two Runes that we lost (Meditation and Dangerous Game), none of which increased base mana regen. The new Biscuits are free. They aren't tied to potions. From effect alone they're much stronger as well (15 Health and Mana vs. 15% missing Health and Mana +40 max Mana).

Sl4yerKingNov 12, 20171 votes

With runes before you could add as many as you want to whatever you need, now it's impossible for me (with any combination of runes, i've tried...) to get even close to the mana regeneration I was getting before. I'm constantly out of mana now, so it completely ruined my 'magic spam' class I had set up. They do not make up even close.

Pandemic PunchNov 11, 20172 votes

Yep. On top of it, you only need one rune page since you can change everything in champ select.

Darkdemon653Nov 11, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Xayâh Bôt,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4RiuEZQM,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-11-09T15:57:43.356+0000)

new players

And not-new players got completely fucked over

It doesn't take long for the new players to also reach the breakpoint of getting fucked over as well.

SwiftKitten88Nov 11, 20172 votes

have you forgotten.. runes are NOT free. RUNES are GONE all we have now are "masteries" which riot thinks they can just call "runes" and "no one will notice"

HåppyNov 11, 20172 votes

That's because runes are gone. This is just a new mastery system. And, new players can't even get familiar with customization, because for a good while of leveling, your runes are automatically chosen for you based on your champ.

You don't need to pay for rune pages because there aren't rune pages anymore. Now you have to pay for mastery pages.

Akali is SO HOTNov 11, 20172 votes

There are no more runes. Riot just deleted runes and updated the masteries and are calling them runes.

BoNaFiDeOuTkAsTNov 11, 20171 votes

True... I forget it's free. ;c Now I feel like a brat.

I'll make my contributions with respect now.

MysticDreams12Nov 11, 20171 votes

But from what I've been hearing, the new player experience is worse as the grind to even get a champion is worse than it was with IP.

Illâoi Evê SiônNov 11, 20171 votes

Shouldn't it be much easier because of Hextech Crafting? You get two or three champion shards per level. New players level up quickly. Disenchant some and upgrade the others.

I'm genuinely asking. I own all champions so I don't know what it's like for them.

MysticDreams12Nov 11, 20171 votes

Well you only get BE from level ups, and a lot of people are only getting shards that give them 90 BE or a tiny bit more a piece. And apparently if you decide to keep a shard between the next level up you could lose it, you can't keep it.

I haven't leveled up yet, I've only played a few games since the patch was released but absolutely hate it. So Im going off of what other people have been saying.

YerroFeverNov 11, 20172 votes

{quoted}

Well you only get BE from level ups, and a lot of people are only getting shards that give them 90 BE or a tiny bit more a piece. And apparently if you decide to keep a shard between the next level up you could lose it, you can't keep it.

I haven't leveled up yet, I've only played a few games since the patch was released but absolutely hate it. So Im going off of what other people have been saying.

Wait what? We can lose our champion shards? Where did they say this would happen?[sg-janna]

MysticDreams12Nov 11, 20171 votes

"You are punished for holding on to shards. Let's say you get a champ shard you want to keep, but you want the new champ Zoe right? Well, if you don't disenchant it you are actively increasing the amount of time you have to play possibly by multiple factors. Let's say I get 1200 BE from a capsule. If I want to keep ekko from it, it's now worth only 900. Now imagine this happens every time you open a capsule. Let's say you spend the dozens of hours you need and finally get to 5200 BE...now you have to pray that the next capsule doesn't have champs you want and you have to pray that it gives you more then 1100 BE. None of which are guaranteed. In what sense is it a good idea to punish people like that for not disenchanting champ shards they want to actually keep??? Because if they get even 100 less BE they have to spend 15+ games leveling up AGAIN assuming they are in the lower levels."

I misread it, but it's kinda the concept that you can lose shards that you want to keep if you want to buy a new champ. Sorry if I scared you. I'm so dang tired right now, can't think straight.

YerroFeverNov 11, 20171 votes

My problem is their poor conversion from old runes to blue essence. If I didn't feel like being a completionist and buy runes when I ran out of things to buy, I probably would have had about 300k blue essence plus whatever they were going to give.

In the end I get it, Riot is trying to make money but I feel pretty shafted by them for trying to buy all the runes and trying various kinds of builds to make the game more interesting... ie Riot essentially punished me for trying things outside the box...

Mysticman89Nov 11, 20171 votes

I'm like 5 champions away and a BE emporium closing from having nothing to spend my BE on (don't care about name changes), where before I could just casually throw it at more runes for 'completionist' purposes of owning everything.

The delayed payoff certainly feels bad, but the rational part of me feels like I went from needing like 400k IP to be 'done' to like 30k BE which I expect is like less than a month of play, and theres some part of me that wishes it was actually harder (the whole journey>destination thing) so I wouldn't finish so soon.