You know, the last whisper items are kind of garbage.

Critkeeper··9 votes·1,255 views

Its not that they aren't good vs armor stackers-- and I understand the whole point of them being a niche purchase that is only good vs armor stackers-- its that they aren't significantly better than something like bloodthirster.

You could buy a last whisper item and have significantly more damage vs the enemy tank...

or you could just buy bloodthirster and have moderately more damage vs everyone, including the tank, on top of some crazy lifesteal.

Last whisper is kind of like thornmail-- it is basically only effective against one person on the enemy team on average, so it doesn't get bought often. Infrequently you'll fight a team that has 2 or 3 squishy auto attackers and buying a thornmail makes sense.

The thing is, even if they had 2 or 3 tanks, I still wouldn't feel good about last whisper. At that point I'd rather have steraks gauge or another lifesteal item.

If its just going to kick one person's ass, it really needs to actually kick their ass. But I don't like the idea of making armor effectively worthless for tanks, and I especially don't like the idea of giving assassins the ability to kill tanks just by buying a single item. It needs to have something on it that is better for auto attackers than assassins, and it needs to have some downtime so it can have a brief "oomph" of power.

If the last whisper items had an active that could be used to do some minor true damage on hit for 6 seconds (like between 20 and 40) i could justify taking it over other items against tanks.

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Sire Hippington4 votes

I think an active with armorpen is a bad idea, it wouldn't feel good on carries, as they are about consistent damage, and might be abused by assains.

i think the best idea would be an item similar to old(very old) BC: as+ad and stacking armorshred on-hit so you only cut through armor if you focus the target for some time, makeing it not great vs squishys and bad for assains, allowing for some more generall dps stats. Maybe make it armorpen vs the target instead of shred if it gets abused as utillity item ot is to strong in ad-heavy comps. Also, one could make the shred stack non linar, so really low values at low stacks and still rather high values at max, like 2/6/12/20/30/42% lasting for 3 sec

i think such an item would have more levers for proper balance than the current LW-items.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

thats what the upgrades for last whisper are for.

dominiks also deals a shitload of damage against high health targets and mortal reminder is strong vs other carries due to cutting their lifesteal down.

though if youre saying, last whisper should have a short windowed active that penetrates a lot of armor instead of constant armor penetration, that might not be a bad idea. it wouldnt make tanks and fighters feel shitty for having almost half their gold investment made useless, and would allow counterplay by baiting out the active, then disengaging, then reengaging when the thing is on cooldown.

Slamurai Jack2 votes

If you seriously don't build a LW item against a team with at least 1 tank, I'm probably going to report you. Making sure you don't get shut down 1 by asshole with 300 armor is way more important than whatever else you're thinking of building. This applies to you too, Mages. If I see another fucking Viktor who thinks Void Staff is optional...

Drehirth1 votes

I don't know about the second half of your post but i definitely agree with the first... i almost never buy them on adc unless im forced to Rammus Malphite are unstoppable if you dont though. (and a huge pain in the ass regardless XD not that i'm complaining since that's the point of them)

Ruin Lance1 votes

KIND OF garbage? that's an understatement. i think i've picked up a last whisper item like twice since they changed them.

LordGeovanni1 votes

tank items are horrible and penetration items shit on tanks which could make sense if there wasnt so much of them and makes some champions that are bad with offensive stats cause they cant survive an engage bad but if they build tanky they get punished for building tanky thats exactly what riots penetration items do. but people want them to be op verses everyone and not just the tanks they were intended for

LordGeovanni1 votes

I maintain my position that true damage isnt a bad concept. but true damage on champions that are designed to build damage anyway is a stupid concept true damage seems like some thing that should be done in small ammounts over a long time like with sunfire cape and belongs on tanks over carries who do damage and heal themselves at the same time because they do damage and not only that the damage they do also has to be multiplied because damage

Saianna1 votes

Seriously?

#SERIOUSLY?!

What the hell is this thread..?! I don't even.. Jesus Christ!

Last whisper can be built in 2 efficient items. Remember time when you guys had to sacrifice 1 of your slots for Executioner's calling? NOT ANYMORE. Tank stacks HP? Get a f##king Giant slayer upgrade!

And you dare say they are garbage? What else you want built in? Infinite Edge? With maybe goddamn cheeseburger and fries and diet cola?!

Bunch of spoiled f##ks

Just FYI you build last whisper when enemies have good armor stacking tanks. And no bloodthirster or what-not will help you kill them as fast as upgraded last whisper.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

I somewhat agree. I feel like. a last whisper would increase your chance to tanks. by about idk 20% which is a lot. and isn't a lot at the same time. as they have a lot of hp anyways. I'd rather pick up BOTRK on adcs. base armor on tanks is quite high even with last whisper they still have what? around 60-65% physical damage reduction if not more. BOTRK would make a lot more of a difference. you get AD/AS/LIFESTEAL. and it helps you burst down tanks if you have to.

but then again if the enemy team in my opinion. has off tanks. that do damage. I'd pick up a giantslayer last whisper. if the enemy has utility tanks/support then I wouldn't bother with it.

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