I never intended to take that kill, I just wanted them dead. I'm sure the AD knows this.
I'm not going to apologize for our team getting a kill, and being ahead, just because you wanted slightly more gold funneled into you.
RiotZwill55 votes
D2Vincent2 votesIt's what I think the motto of most Karthus mains are XP
Ariel the Cruel2 votes
Don't worry. I'll fix that!
PaladinNO5 votesI see what you did there.
Someone1653 votesas long as you won't suddenly act surprised that your 0/0/3 adc isn't doing damage
Resonance x LFT4 votesI mean, usually if the support takes a kill on accident, they can apply a lot of kill pressure along with lane pressure. If the replay is still up, I can show you me playing Karma and zoning the ADC from XP and creeps.
Partholonian29 votesAs long as they're not terrible at csing when their opponent is dead, they should still be gaining an advantage over the enemy adc.
Jax the Stampede15 votesHe doesn't have to now because I have super heals or am super tanky or am doing the damage he woudl have been doing. Their not mad that they didnt' get the gold, they're mad that it wasn't their picture on screen when the kill was announced. They don't care about teamwork, they care about stroking their own ego. The ones who bitch about it anyways, the ones who don't are fine.
Earl Eulrich118 votesif a 0/0/3 adc doesn´t deal dmg despite winning lane then he farms terrible or sucks at positioning - both not things his support or anyone else can fix.
Ambient Snow10 votesAgree!
Though in situations like this it depends on what your adc is building.. Lately all I see ADC's build now is Attack speed items first then wonder why they do 0 damage in team fights.. till 20 minute mark when they finish their 
and now start to work on 
The Space Cowboy6 votesYeah I go 
then either 
What's the point of attacking 1.5 times as fast without AD? Math man.
President Swa1n5 votesMath, indeed. Although I don't disagree, there's a slight oversight here.
You are correct in saying that attacking 1.5 times as fast without AD is useless. However, when you are deciding between AD and AS, there's a tradeoff you have to make. One option is, as you said, to take AS without AD. The other is to take AD without AS.
So I could say 'what's the point in dealing 1.5 times as much damage without AS?'.
Let's delve a little into the math here.
We can all agree that DPS = Rate of Fire x Damage Output
Putting this in League terms: DPS = AS x AD
And so, both are theoretically equally relevant to the overall equation. Having more AD at the expense of AS will provide more burst per AA while having slower AAs and having AS at the expense of AD will provide more AAs in the same amount of time while having them individually be weaker.
At the same time, what this equation calculates is a lot more useful for late game when fights are much longer than five second long early game trades. AD is almost always superior early due to more raw damage per AA poke.
Wow, I have no life. I guess your comment triggered my inner nerd.
. . . Oh wait, I am a nerd.
Votable Jester4 votesI thought the optimal start was BF sword into Runaan's into the rest of your build. That gives some AD to make those autos hurt without delaying Runaan's by much.
ABlueQuaker10 votesThis is the easiest rebuttal in the world. ADC abilities don't scale with Attack Speed - they scale with AD (or rarely AP). If you rush Attack Speed without first Buying a BF Sword you're going to be dealing significantly less damage simply because your abilities will only be dealing base damage + the small amount of AD you get from runes and masteries.
CarameI Frappe39 votes
Is about to die to Lee "Poppy help me!"
"Hang in there!" Blocks Lee's jump with W then bashes him into wall
An enemy has been slain 
"Why did you take the kill?!"
"It was to save you-"
"Don't do it again. I need kills, you're just a support."
"........"
Is being ganked by , 
and 
"AH POPPY HELP ME!"
"Got cha!" Charges R, and aims it just right to send all three flying
"OH MY GOD WE COULD OF KILLED THEM!!"
"... They were at full HP, if we fou-"
"Aren't you supposed to be Plat? I guess not."
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/540/926/e5f.jpg
PaladinNO16 votesAs a Nami main, let me tell you a real story from my time down the bot lane:
Goes in
Follows
Takes towershot
Dealing (heavy) damage
Takes another towershot
3rd towershot on the way, would die if hit by it
Heals
Heal bounces off and kills enemy
Survives
"Fcking ks noob!!" [sic] ~
Another one - which was the final straw before I permanently stopped playing tanky supports:
~ "Don't take my farm!"
~ "??"
_I only went for minions when I had charges. And tried to always save up one for emergency heals and/or siege minions. _
And now I gotta know:
"OH MY GOD WE COULD OF KILLED THEM!!"
PLEASE tell me that's not an accurate quote in that scenario! If it is, I would really question the intelligence of (marks)mankind. :|
Akali, Lee Sin and Malphite...ANY sane being would run for the damn hills if those 3 were after you. And knocking all of them away should get you praise like a savior! ######I was about to write "jesus", but then I remembered he went 0/2...
CarameI Frappe5 votesSadly yes, it really did happen. My little story was just a brief summary of how my game went when going as Poppy Support and had a ... um, interesting ADC Lucian to work with.
He was in our jungle trying to get red buff, which is risky to do after 30-40 minutes in the game because everyone is roaming at this point. did his Q, along with a and following up on trying to kill him. Luckily Malphite didn't have ultimate but my ADC was walking backwards with R active and almost dead. During this, I came in from the bush (near Raptors) and sent all three flying since they were all bunched up chasing my ADC.
I was fortunate that I landed 3 people, because if 1 wasn't sent back my ADC would of died. Yet despite my succeess, he raged at me because Lee was taking the first half of 's ultimate. He questioned if I was Platinum, that I "saved" the enemy team and i'm boosted. Even though it was a normals, I won't lie ... it wasn't fun for me. He kept telling me what to do, raged a few times ONLY at me but never at anyone else's goof ups, and especially not his own problems. Hell even our jungler 
said something like "Stop typing Lucian and focus." Because all the dude would do is type if something didn't go his way.
That's not to say ADCs are evil, spoiled or the culprit behind the flaming since everyone's capable of that, but it reminded me about the issue with people not wanting to support and it was for this very reason besides lack of gold income or unable to carry the game via kills.
Kyloz27 votesI generally don't give a damn, whatever lane I play. The gold goes to someone at least.
Kilanost23 votesAs long as its not an obvious kill where the person has no chance of getting away, I say keep securing those kills. When I gank bot, I never get pissed if the support picks up a kill that might have gotten away or caused trouble some other way. your ADC should still get ahead by CS advantage and assist gold in those scenarios. If they can't turn that into a bigger advantage, that's on them. Not you. And if the ADC isn't getting assist gold, they don't deserve the kill anyway as far as I'm concerned.
Placentas21 votesI've found a fed support will lead to a fed ADC if the adc is actually good at being an adc. I play both adc and support frequently.
ChaddyFantome19 votesWhy be mad that your support got Gold?
Now they can rush 
and make you out DPS and sustain the fuck out of the enemy while keeping you alive, or
and make you nigh unkillable with damage reduction while also making them unable to be poked out of lave via your DPS so they can CC th fuck out of the enemy withotu fear and get you a double kill.
or 
and make you full HP when you're at 10% for a double kill.
etc etc
Why would you even be mad about that?
the support being stronger means you being stronger too.
Marshbouy3 votesBecause most of the time a will help more in a 1v1 trade than a 
+
+
It's the hard truth. Sorry that you guys can't handle it. (if you are far enough into the game that you can afford to buy redemption, ardent censer, and/or knights vow, there is a good chance that those 3 kills are no longer relevant).
ChaddyFantome9 votesBecause most of the time a
It's the hard truth. Sorry that you guys can't handle it. (if you are far enough into the game that you can afford to buy redemption, ardent censer, and/or knights vow, there is a good chance that those 3 kills are no longer relevant).
I think you are missing the point.
I am not saying give all the gold to the support. i am saying getting mad over it is stupid. Are regerdless of the kill or not, your ADC should have enough for BF from farm alone anyway. if they don't they are bad.
Additionally, i would not sleep on the power of an Early 
or even 
or 
back from a support.
Something like Lulu just got a whole lot more annoying with tons of poke and shields, and quite frankly in certain matchups, those shields would be better than the damage from BF.
Sometimes what your ADC needs isn't moar damgez, but to survive.If a Leona all-ins your ADC and your ADC doesn't get popped., your ADC basically has free reigns for a double kill. and free farm time.
hell, a Frost Queen early is pretty m8uch a free double at the press of a button with a roam from mid or a gank from jungle.
And the wards from Sightstone are responsible for keeping Xin gay Zhao off your ADC when he game in from tri-brush.
I'm more than sure you don't t play support. I don't even need to check your profile like the kids on this site like to do to guess this much, but a little more appreciation and less egocentric selfishness in a team game wouldn't hurt.
please and thank you.
Valeckserai18 votesThe only time I apologize for "ks" is when I'm running into a fight that I haven't been there for and throw an ability out so i can get an assist to maximize the gold gotten for out team but accidentally get the kill. THAT, I feel kinda bad for, but anything else is fair game. I'm not going to just stand around and let someone get away because our adc or assassin wanted to feel super special and carry everyone.
Final Spark Lux12 votesI don't apologize for taking whats rightfully mine. When I'm playing Lux support and I quite literally 100-0 them with my combo while my ADC is busy CSing, don't QQ at me for KS when you did nothing. (srsly, this happens. its amazing logic)
Jax the Stampede14 votesI always get a kick out that. The one that gets me is when they complain about you taking a kill, but when you reveal an enemy ward they'll wait until you work it down then last hit it and steal the gold and xp from the ward from you. I mean, it even said in the patch notes that ward xp and gold was intentionally put there so the support wouldn't fall so far behind. You'd better not take that kill, but by God the ADC has no problem taking your ward goodies. Selfish pricks. smh (same goes for the damn Relic Shield, if I'm working on a canon minion don't steal it from me, you even get the gold too, plus a heal) double smh
Final Spark Lux8 votesOh god yes, I hate building relic shield because I know 90% of ADC's dont care if they deny me gold ;_;
Jax the Stampede6 votesI've come to the conclusion that if they choose to deny me the relic shield cs then that means they don't understand interactions in the game. I take it as a sign that come mid game they won't know what they're doing so I break from bot lane first chance I get and start roaming. The ADC can take care of himself if he doesn't feel like his support needs gold to keep him alive. In those situations I usually lose if I follow the ADC, but will usually win if I split off and follow other roles. The ADC will get mad about it, but to be quite frank, I'm already kinda irritated that he denied me all that gold. The only difference is that even though he's mad, mine is a legitimate strategy. There's no legitimate strategy to denying the relic shield, in fact, it's counterproductive and a very obvious sign that the ADC has no idea how support truly works. One cannot truly support a player who has no idea how support works. That's honestly just how it is.
420 grams10 votesUnless it's a draven. It's really annoying being 0/0/5 getting later in the game and doing no damage and being so easy to catch
Partholonian10 votesThis is exactly why I hate playing as or with Draven. His passive is literally egotistical to the point of being anti-teamwork, which fits his lore personality perfectly, but is still annoying AF to have in your game.
Starboyˇ10 votesespecially considering the fact that we supports NEED to buy an item that costs 800 gold and provides no combat stats
6Sfool9 votesI apologize if I steal a kill. Not because I regret it, but because it's polite. However, if that adc expects that apology, they're not worth apologizing to. When I'm adc and the support secures a kill, I say "gj," not "wtf steal," or "kys," or get all aggressive with the pings.
Woodakoodashooda7 votesGood for you. I know how easy it is for supports to accidentally take kills, even for supports that hardly do any damage. Leona is among those notorious offenders.
Oglaf6 votes[{quoted}](name=Chocolate Frost,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4OmiErpZ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-11-27T17:33:36.531+0000)
Good for you. I know how easy it is for supports to accidentally take kills, even for supports that hardly do any damage. Leona is among those notorious offenders.
is hilarious because his Q scales with Health. So it will do tons of damage even with standard Tank/Support items.
I've "stolen" so many kills when all I wanted to do was to slow them down/apply my Passive.
Shuyin1787 votesI just tell my ADC "If you're being out-damaged by a support you're doing it wrong."
Sonasaurous6 votesI will write a quick "sorry" in chat just so I have it on record that I apologized, but internally I'm not sorry for ksing as support ever, and I don't take offense when my support ks's when I'm adc. 10/10 times, the adc either didn't do enough damage to finish off the kill or backed away too early, leaving the support in a good position to last hit or land the killing blow. 7/10 times the adc will complain that the support stole the kill even though the adc is the one that backed away too early--too confident in their own damage. Honestly, I don't give a shit anymore. If they make a big deal out of it, I mute them. The world goes on.
Brain Errör 4046 votesI'm always confused why supports say "Sorry" when we secure a kill. I much rather you kill them then me dying or them escaping because you're trying too hard to let me secure kills.
On another note, I actually had a team, an ENTIRE team let me secure almost all kills when it was possible when I was playing adc... Omg, that was like a dream.
Anyways, there's no need to apologize.
DeathBot6666 votesAs someone who plays support alot, as long as the enemy CAN get away/CAN kill your ADC, the support has a job to help the team by making sure that person dies.
That being said, If the person is melee range from your full health ADC, and 1 hit from death, then as the support you should let them get the kill.
Weasel Kensei6 votesSupport main.
I still sometimes apologize for a kill if I do it a few times in a row. I just want them to not get tilted like Im TRYING to take the kills. Just a series of coincidences. Some supports are trying to take them, its fair for ADCs to be annoyed with that because they dont have any utility to fall back on and need to scale with items to be relevant.
Those no sightstone 
supports may put the enemy bot lane behind, but still leave the enemy ADC ahead of their ADC.
So yeah, supports shoudlnt be apologizing for kills, but remember, some ADCs have been abused by poser supports that took them out of the game by saving their kit just to kill steal, and sometimes a the cost of the ADC dying because the peel was used for the all in. So not every AD "knows this," some may, but based on past experinces, they may not be able to tell if they have a support, or a person who wanted to carry but didnt want to wait for a mid lane que time.
Nileek6 votesI've been playing a lot of recently and, I'm sorry if my W gets the kill. But you're really low health and i don't want you to die if the enemy has some surprise burst. I try not to apologize for that, But usually forget and say sorry anyways.
Now, If there's a fight and i'm late so i W bounce to get an assist but end up getting a kill i'll definitely apologize as i do believe that's a KS.
Ackelope5 votesThis has always been my philosophy. As long as they die, I'm more or less good with it. The large majority of my gold income comes from CS anyway, so as long as I'm not dying, it's usually fine. It's sad because I have to tell most supports I get into a game with that I just want the person we could kill dead, because I've seen so many kills missed when people try to give them up, and so many "sorry"s after taking one .-.
Nipsahoy5 votesOnly thing I love is when the support is 4-0 and the adc is 0-0-4 and the support complains you don't do enough damage.
jadelink5 votesUntil kills are removed and we all share the gold involved in a takedown, this stuff is going to continue, and support will continue to be the least popular job, and RIOT will keep asking why no one wants to play support and get raged at for 'stealing kills'.
Raging egotistical ADC and assassin mains (and rivens) will kick up so much rage if this is mentioned, that the idea gets buried every time it gets raised.
The Dreamwalker5 votesThis is why I am now a Lux main mid :D. Support gone rouge... [slayer-jinx-catface]
Rundus14 votesSame! Except I done went Urgod mode in the top lane. I had enough of having my Sona yelled at when I went 2/0/2 in lane. Now they get to see me really get ugly. Grotesque even. I've never had more fun than I am now.
HazyCloud74 votesIs the kill completely guaranteed and leaving it for a teammate wont result in their death (i.e. low hp in a 2v2 fight)? Give it to the carry. Otherwise just kill them and don't worry about who gets the kill.
It's not a huge deal either way. If your fighting 2v2 bot lane and you end up getting the kill in the heat of the moment it definitely doesn't warrant apologizing. And assist =/= no benefit, the adc still get to deny cs and exp from the enemy adc and get damage on their tower, which are practically made out of paper down there.
xBaron Nashorx4 votesFuck 'em. 99% of ADC's don't even try to improve anymore. They just play because they want the glory of carrying hard, which doesn't even happen since S3/4 and leagueoftanks started.
Now i just start coin, spend no more gold on support items and go AP blitz. I still get a bucketload of assists because he barely stops short of killing with his combo @90% of their hp pool usually. So i'm happy either way.
Shattered Mind4 votes[{quoted}](name=Resonance x LFT,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4OmiErpZ,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-11-27T17:04:19.013+0000)
I never intended to take that kill, I just wanted them dead. I'm sure the AD knows this.
I'm not going to apologize for our team getting a kill, and being ahead, just because you wanted slightly more gold funneled into you.
They are just scrubs who cant farm. Up in challenger (LCS) they get most there gold from CS and objectives. They are low kill games.
Yordle Xayah4 votesI'm an ADC. I rarely care at all about my support taking any kills in lane or at any stage of the game.
"YOU STOLE MY KILL" is a thing only a Nicktron-esque player would give two damns about.
You mean there's ADCs in 2016 still complaining about ks??? No wonder we get such a bad reputation in some circles. It's ridiculous.
