I never want to hear someone complain about Teemo again

Resonance x LFT·Nov 15, 2016·17 votes·1,722 views

For just a mere 75 gold, you can remove this champion from the game.

Teemo can't build around his spells anymore. Right now, the best way to play Teemo is either Tank, or on-hit.

51 Comments

Handy Sandy Nov 15, 20164 votes

Even if you get one, he's not going to be killing you, just a lot of traps. Or do you really expect to have the full map covered in item 2055 ? Nothing is going to really make you 100% safe from a smart teemo that places them in random places you don't normally ward? There are a bunch of jungle openings, I doubt the enemy team is going to be able to ward them all.

CerealBoxOfDoomNov 15, 20164 votes

forcing people to spend gold to counter your traps is pretty toxic. Especially when lategame they have to keep a slot open to do this for the most part even if its the trinket slot.

Teemo is a gamewarping nuisance and deserves to be complained about, he needs to be reworked.

Imagine if hecarim's passive says he deals 200% damage to anyone who isn't wearing two pairs of boots, how obnoxious would that be.

Sivir its really obnoxious when people mess with your gold

AstôlfoNov 15, 20168 votes

You realize Scanner is a thing?

And gee, I wonder. 75 gold to counter an ultimate. "pretty toxic" Which one is toxic?

CerealBoxOfDoomNov 15, 20162 votes

scanner is a thing, that forces you to give up ward coverage while teemo gains ward coverage. He still costs you gold and slots no matter how you slice it.

You cannot simply avoid teemo, you cannot really counter him just by building MR. You cannot actually quantify the worth of vision especially when you have nearly no limitations to your vision compared to others

buying scanner means that you aren't going to be the one keeping baron from being taken without vision and the new ward also counters normal wards so it doesn't just hurt teemo. That means that teemo can now counterward everyone else while having wards built into his kit.

Counterbuilding is not counterplay designwise and judging by the title of your thread we are in fact talking about game design

AstôlfoNov 16, 20162 votes

Or you could just use the fucking scanner which is free. There's more than one person on your team. They can help ward as well.

CerealBoxOfDoomNov 16, 20161 votes

And you can shove that attitude you're getting up your ass

The scanner isnt free even if it doesn't cost gold.

it costs ward coverage which is just as important for stopping something like splitpush teemo

Yes, the team can ward as well but there is still a cost and potentially a very heavy one. In tournaments when teemo is strong he doesn't just go roflstomp a few salty opponents and everyone has a good time like other champs. He splitpushes and drowns the game into fucking oblivion to the point its hardly even a game played for fun anymore.

Do you have your mr yet? No? Tough shit you aren't actually playing! Do you have wards? Yes? Tough shit, you don't get to play till whoever has the scanner says you get to play! Do you have the scanner or disabling wards? Yes? Tough shit, you have chores to do while the team almost gets to play.

There is a cost to counterwarding and the game's enjoyability is an additional cost of having to deal with that shit. The new wards and the scanner are not excuses, there is a reason to complain about teemo's design and no matter how many times you feed people that condescending load of shit that's not going to change.

Invisible trap wards are not healthy for gameplay. Hidden power is not good for gameplay. Information advantage cannot be measured and it always likely to be unhealthy for gameplay In design discussions counterbuilding is not counterplay Being forced to build something to counter something is not healthy game design Unhealthy design is like alcohol or sugar, you can enjoy it but there are limits before fun becomes a problem!

AstôlfoNov 16, 20164 votes

Good joke. Wrong section though, that goes in M&G.

CerealBoxOfDoomNov 16, 20161 votes

Speaking of games why are you dancing around the issue now? Is it because you know you're bullshitting when you try to tell yourself its healthy or even reliable to have to buy such items to focus on teemo?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc3xhk97o48

games where teemo is strong are long and unfun to watch or play in higher level games.

AstôlfoNov 16, 20164 votes

No, it's just laughably, pathetically sad that you continually deny all logic and reasoning and explanation.

CerealBoxOfDoomNov 16, 20161 votes

And its laughably, pathetically sad that all you can do is toss adverbs at me instead of using logic and reason.

I can deny what you say because what you say is plainly misleading and I will continue to do so as long as you keep spewing that counterproductive shit at those who have every reason to be complaining about teemo e.g. one of several pink elephants in the champion pool

SaiannaNov 16, 20164 votes

You are dumb as fuck, aren't you?

CerealBoxOfDoomNov 16, 20161 votes

smart enough to know you don't know shit about game design.

SaiannaNov 16, 20162 votes

You neither, so?

CerealBoxOfDoomNov 16, 20161 votes

I've explained at least the basics. All you've done is run in when you heard your buddy's zipper jiggling.

How about you actually contribute to the conversation instead of these meaningless jabs.

Do you have something to say about the subject at hand or is talking shit all you're capable of?

Supreme Senpai69Nov 16, 20164 votes

His ult is toxic.

lol geddit? Cuz... poison shrooms...

AinTheBrainNov 16, 20161 votes

the shrooms are toxic obviously

MeserionNov 15, 20164 votes

The reason people complain about Teemo is because he doesn't function like most champs. Most of the time a champ runs in and the player mashes their face on the keyboard and combos with team for kills. Teemo is different. He is all about map awareness, setting traps, and ambush at the right moment. In a teamfight Teemo is at his best when he ducks in and out of the fight applying his E to targets and use his shrooms to slow and apply heavy pressure damage to the enemy.

This guerrilla tactic infuriates people, but this is how Teemo is played at his best, It is this style of play I love so much as it require tactical skill, psychological warfare, and planning ahead; this is why Teemo is such a joy for me to play compare to most champions. And yes, counter wards can slow him down, but for Teemo it is all about adjusting tactics and fighting 3 steps ahead of your enemy.

1 800 Top LaneNov 15, 20161 votes

Lol you realize this is a game right?

Dabrick01Nov 16, 20161 votes

Lol, you realize this game takes strategy right?

1 800 Top LaneNov 17, 20161 votes

Just making sure, usually the ones who talk like that wind up on the news.

Dabrick01Nov 17, 20161 votes

Wtf? He's talking about Teemo's playstyle using the analogies of guerrilla warfare.

Honestly, Teemo takes skill, and the reason he is annoying is because players have a lot of Map awareness and planning skills.

Meserion has the right idea, IDK what you're thinking.

The DeckownerNov 16, 20164 votes

item 3364 literally removes Teemo from the game for free

Resonance x LFTNov 16, 20161 votes

Yes, but at least he's there for nine levels.

The DeckownerNov 16, 20162 votes

item 3341 does similar things too

Resonance x LFTNov 16, 20161 votes

That was sarcasm. Lol

DarianEXNov 15, 20163 votes

let me just quickly ward the whole map with a control ward to disable him.... oh yeah ... you can only buy one of those per person -_-

AstôlfoNov 15, 20165 votes

Technically, you can buy 3, but it's just 1 on the map limit.

DarianEXNov 15, 20161 votes

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Technically, you can buy 3, but it's just 1 on the map limit.

Tru tru. Still teemo is cancer to Jinx. Vayne. Etc (Teemo adc IS COMING BACK BOOOIESSS To deal with vayne)

Supreme Senpai69Nov 16, 20161 votes

Teemo only has 500 range. For reference, most ADCs have 550. That 50 range makes a big impact! It's basically a range v a melee at that point. Teemo's Q has more range, true, but it is pretty mana heavy and can't be spammed. If anything I'd say Teemo support would be more popular than Teemo ADC.

And only in normals

AdeBugNov 15, 20162 votes

sweeper and oracle

SaiannaNov 16, 20161 votes

Next idiot...

Where halfbrainers like you come from?

yonggonNov 16, 20162 votes

Don't people understand they just need to build item 3211 to counter his poison ticks early game? or start item 1054 or they could get item 3047 or item 3341 or item 3155

Prestige AkaIiNov 16, 20162 votes

Wait! Are you saying that you are completely countered by 75g? I can't imagine what that would feel like.... Akali and pink wards.

DoozkuNov 16, 20161 votes

That interaction was removed...

PennsNov 15, 20161 votes

Doesnt stop him from destroying some champs with Q, destroying melees with E/W and doing half of my HP with a shroom that could be anywhere when Im not building MR third item on a carry tho.

dakota saturnNov 15, 20161 votes

How is item 2055 any different than Pink Ward?

Red Trinket is still way better than a ward at controlling him and thats been around forever.

DrCyanideNov 15, 201615 votes

The control ward shuts down traps, making it so you can run right over top of them and they won't detonate. You can follow Teemo into an obvious ambush, throw the control ward in and keep right on running without a care in the world.

Pink ward didn't do that.

dakota saturnNov 15, 20161 votes

But Red Trinket is even better at that - it moves with you, can't be auto'd down in 4 hits, disables traps and wards, has a larger radius, its free, and doesn't take an inventory slot.

The ward only works on a small radius, and if the Teemo sees you place one, if he's any good, he'll kite you out.

The item 2055 is mostly about vision control at choke points. Costing money and a slot limits its effectiveness as a minesweeper option.

RageQ2Nov 15, 20161 votes

If all else fails, play ability dependant champions, that means no worry of trading well, no worry of him getting fed and no worry about Teemos cancer

NiyumiNov 16, 20161 votes

item 3027 > item 3153 > item 3116 > item 3151 > item 3022 + boots.

Don't use your mushrooms as traps unless you have extras, but instead throw them into minion waves while farming, and catch your laner in the splash. Do a few autos, maybe a Q, and then repeat. When they start to learn what you're doing, then use your mushrooms as traps. But save one.

The SmugNov 16, 20161 votes

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> > > > + boots.

Don't use your mushrooms as traps unless you have extras, but instead throw them into minion waves while farming, and catch your laner in the splash. Do a few autos, maybe a Q, and then repeat. When they start to learn what you're doing, then use your mushrooms as traps. But save one.

Lol by getting rod you are hurting your great early game, and rod isnt even that good either on teemo. Runaans would be godly in that build.

NiyumiNov 16, 20161 votes

You don't need to rush AD or AP to make use of Teemo's early game -- no one is tanky enough to withstand all his poke, and you can finish your ROA before they are. Then, with the early AP (ROA is cheap), you do more damage, and the health and mana make you tankier and able to stay in lane a lot better. If you don't build a mana item, you will run OOM very quickly if you play aggressive, and can't do much.

SpoofghoulNov 16, 20161 votes

i would say the rylais is worse then rod in that build

rod isn't so bad considering it grants health and mana, teemo does like some mana

id swap rylais for a cdr item eveything already slwos with mallet except q but really if u can q u can basic so there really isn't a need for rylais

anyway you can also go DFT and get a 75% ad ratio on q and shrooms and just build ad bruiser item 3047 item 3085 item 3071 item 3022 item 3156 item 3151

DarianEXNov 16, 20161 votes

TEETO ADC WITH ... TRIFORCE FROZEN MALLET BORK WITS END GREAVES AND AND AND U READY ie baby

DarkRitualNov 16, 20161 votes

He's not removed from the game, his shrooms are just unreliable as his main source of damage currently.

A champ had a playstyle removed from viability? Same as like half the champs that get updated.

Resonance x LFTNov 16, 20161 votes

That wouldn't be as much of a problem if he had utility, good tank stats, or high base AD. There's no actual way to play Teemo at a high level in this state of the meta. Even some Masters and Challenger Teemo mains take him out of top to go jungle, because of how bad his current state is.

Snowman ArcNov 16, 20161 votes

The fact that you need to carry a control ward just to counter a champion's ability is already annoying. Most of the time, you won't be able to all-in Teemo, since he will be able to kite away with his W, therefore using 1 control ward won't be as effective, since he will eventually destroy it, plus it will only cover one area of the lane, and Teemo will just play in another one.

Also, control wards are pretty much mandatory for vision control. Disabling trinkets in brushes, while providing vision, is really important, and you have to give up that advantage in order to semi-counter a champion, which isn't ideal. Getting the red trinket isn't ideal as well, because then you completely give up vision contorl on your side of the map, making you vulnerable to ganks, not helping your team get vision around jungle etc etc.

Teemo is just the same as before, the only difference is that you can throw a control ward to not get hit by traps while fighting. Sure, it is a slight improvement, but you still need the outplay mechanics / team help to get an advantage.

DarianEXNov 16, 20161 votes

Most of teemos damage isnt really from shrooms.... its from constant poison. Shrooms are annoying and thats why you clear out the control wards? Teemo is still a viable champ. YOu just got to learn how to control vision/wards :).