Way to make Akali's shroud not so hard countered by pink wards

Irelia Bot··12 votes·1,155 views

This is fairly simple application of something already in the game.

Currently there is a form of CC called nearsight. It can be found on Graves smoke and Quinn's Q.

Basically the idea of this is to make Akali's Shroud apply nearsight to enemies in her shroud in turn making them less interested in going into the shroud. Also enemies outside of the shroud can not see into the shroud which in turn makes it much harder to just put down a pink in lane and make akali unable to do anything.

ANd this CC does not effect akali or allies vision. It will make it actually somewhat intimating to go into since it will be less clear what is happening outside of the shroud.

This is not going to fix all of akali's issues but it would do a lot to make her shroud have more value then 75 gold to counter. This would be a first step in the right direction to make her healthier by limiting her hardest counter which is open to any enemy champ.

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WoonStruck7 votes

I have the best solution. Rework her completely. Make shroud like Trundle's Frozen Terrain (even in size) and have her gameplay revolve around it. No more slow, no more complete invisibility either.

Also, you forgot 'nearsight' being on Nocturne.

Borkahn1 votes

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I have the best solution. Rework her completely.

Also, you forgot 'nearsight' being on Nocturne.

In addition pink wards are 100 gold not 75.

Irelia Bot4 votes

what part "This would be a first step in the right direction to make her healthier by limiting her hardest counter which is open to any enemy champ." is not being made clear.

Last I checked Riot said shroud has identity in it but currently it is lacking something since it is really easy to counter.

SaltyKracka3 votes

It wouldn't be any sort of step towards making her a healthier champion unless it was accompanied by hearty nerfs to oh, say, her ultimate and Q.

Irelia Bot8 votes

she is an assassin.

if you are playing a marksmen or any squishy champ you are suppose to get blown up for stepping out of place.

IT IS CALLED BALANCE.

WoonStruck3 votes

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she is an assassin.

if you are playing a marksmen or any squishy champ you are suppose to get blown up for stepping out of place.

IT IS CALLED BALANCE.

You don't get blown up for stepping out of place. You get blown up if she can place her shroud anywhere within 800 units of you if she's ever in a decent place.

She is not good for the game in her current iteration.

Akali is SO HOT8 votes

They nerfed it to 700 which is pretty huge actually.

SaltyKracka3 votes

Bitch, either acknowledge the fact that the thing you're asking for is a flat out buff and not some "first step", or accept that there need to be MORE steps.

Spaceman5pff6 votes

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Irelia Bot5 votes

It is a buff to a champ who is really not proforming all that hot currently.

It is also an idea to make a part of her kit which really is unique to only akali have some real value outside of making the enemy spend 75 gold to counter it.

I am not saying this would make akali perfect.

SaltyKracka3 votes

What I'm actually saying is that, like Poppy, Akali's current kit needs to stay weak.

Hexten1 votes

Akali is still going to have multiple gap closers in the her rework. Its not a reboot, so whatever she currently has in her kit is still going to be there in the reworked one.

WoonStruck3 votes

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what part "This would be a first step in the right direction to make her healthier by limiting her hardest counter which is open to any enemy champ." is not being made clear.

Last I checked Riot said shroud has identity in it but currently it is lacking something since it is really easy to counter.

She, as a concept, isn't healthy. Her shroud isn't her biggest issue. Its her entire gameplay pattern.

She needs to be completely reworked, with a focus on her shroud (even if its completely different) and 1337 ninja mobility.

YuGiHo7 votes

I like this idea, it would make it so that if you want to pink her shroud you have to actually go in too; so you cant just blow her up from way far away.

Oh my, so many akali haters. Just because a champion is not your thing and you dislike playing against them does not mean they should be bad. Akali is an assassin with a mechanic similar to katarina that allows her to keep the ball rolling when she gets a kill. If her focus is to be able to kill a target and move on to the next on then she has to be Realllly good at killing people 1 at a time.

Moulin Rouge6 votes

Her problem is that she has a point and click gap closer that can be reused 3 times along with burst and enough sustain to get through the laning phase.

That's why she'll remain nerfed until riot reworks her. Her design is toxic. No assassin should basically make reaching lvl6 "whelp, I better not stray too far from my tower..."

As much as I hate Zed, at least if you rush a Zhonyas, you're relatively safe from his wrath. Same with Talon.

Irelia Bot2 votes

why can no one read...

This would be a first step in the right direction to make her healthier by limiting her hardest counter which is open to any enemy champ.

Llanite2 votes

Why don't you just ask for 12s invulnerability?

Irelia Bot1 votes

Because I am trying to suggest things that are within the realm of realistically balanceable.

MasterSomething1 votes

Sounds fair, as long as I can still pick TF into her and use my ult to counter it. Akali could use a few buffs, due to her abysmal early game (Not as bad as poppy's, and even when she is fed she is no where near old poppy) but energy champs in general are hard to balance. Either they do really good and need a nerf bat, do total shit and are unfixable for a long time, OR THEY ARE A TOTALKennenPAINKennenTO FIGHTKennenAGAINST. Case and point: I hate Kennen.

Irelia Bot3 votes

THis is more a first step to try amd make her shroud actually be something players have to think twice about going int osince they become blind the the rest of the map for stepping foot in it but can not see into it unless they go in.

You wouldn't even know that akali had left the shroud if you don't have a pink ward.

I actually wouldn't mind however seeing shroud made into a much stronger ult and her current ult was balanced around 2 charges as her W with some kind of way to get charges faster through attacking a enemy champion.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

That would probably be either extremely op or useless. Unless she can somehow kite around in and out of her shroud she basically has no way to duel melee champions like Trynd and Jax anymore because they are going to be very interested in being in her shroud when she uses it. For ranged champions she would be very annoying to play against because there would be no way to see her unless she came out of her shroud making her pretty hard to deal with in fights. The last thing you want to do is have to walk right into Akali's face to fight her as a squishy marksmen. Based on this there would never really be an in between because it would either be extremely good or extremely bad depending on how Riot nerfs or buffs it.

Irelia Bot8 votes

Actaully being a melee that counters ranged sounds like a really good thing that is not really found much in league.

Riot literally had to make Xin and Irelia like they are to break a ranged only meta that was around for a time.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

Well yeah I'm all for screwing ranged champions over but if they made it so it was too good it would be completely overwhelming to play against Akali which would lead to problems resulting in nerfs to her. With Irelia and Xin at least you can see them when they blow their load all over you and are able to try to do something about it but a change like this would make that nearly impossible unless you had a ton of AoE in your kit.

Irelia Bot1 votes

In reality it would likely be part of a bigger rework which we know is "coming".

Same goes for Irelia who has had a rework "coming" since at least season 2.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

Well if they could put it in there to make it work somehow where it's not either overwhelming or useless then go for it. I don't know what the rest of the kit would have to be like for that to work though lol. Guess we'll just wait and see what Riot eventually does with her

Irelia Bot1 votes

Just my take on it but perhaps a buffed up shroud with this change and perhaps 2 shadows that mirror akali's movements and do damage from Crescent Slash (35% more damage for each past the first) as a ult would be within reason for more of a overhaul.

Then make Shadow Dance the new W with a max of 2 charges but with other abilities reducing the cooldown by something like 1 second for every champion damage by Crescent Slash (this includes the shadows in shroud).

Both of these would make Crescent Slash have value in her kit.

This is just theory crafting but I do feel akali needs something done to not be so feast or famine.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

Or they could make it so when Mages and ADCs get within 2k range of Akali they instantly die and their nexus explodes. Would make her a lot more fair to play against imo

Hexten1 votes

Actually it is something Riot is very likely to aim for Akali.

1011001110001 votes

How about delete Akali's Shroud and give her a new skill that will compliment her kit much more smoothly? >_>

Irelia Bot1 votes

Other champs have stickyness and burst.

Other champs do not have akali's shroud.

Why not make it more central to her kit?

1011001110001 votes

Because the shroud as it is does not actually compliment the rest of her kit. A champion that spends the majority of her post-6 game dashing rapidly into the enemy multiple times doesn't need an ability that functions as nothing but a pause. She can have the stealth mechanic if you insist on it, but the shroud would be better used on a different champion.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

Shroud is one of the best, most iconic parts of her kit. Why would you remove that?

1011001110001 votes

It's only iconic to people because it's different, but I find her spammable ultimate's strike-through dash to be just as notable, and something that actually brings together her Q and E rather well.

Just because an ability is unique and different doesn't mean it has a place in that champion's kit (e.g Poppy's soon-to-be defunct ultimate).

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

You can't really compare a champion like Poppy to Akali. Poppy's kit is just a mess of random abilities that don't make any sense at all. They are taking away Poppy's ult because she can never be balanced when she has something like that in her kit. Akali's shroud is not gamebreaking like Poppy's ult and is a very cool feature that is part of her kit and to take that away would make a lot of Akali players, including myself, very sad. It does have a place in Akali's kit whereas Poppy's ult does not.

1011001110001 votes

Poppy's kit, while not cohesive, had the basic idea of "Poppy Smash" behind it: Tackle, burst, and chase down (E, Q, W). Her ult was SUPPOSED to help her single-target smackdown by letting her ignore a bunch of CC and damage from other enemies, but it just became this "hah, you can't damage me" button that Poppy players ended up using to beat up everyone EXCEPT the person they ulted. It's terrible (and gamebreaking) implementation is what merited criticism.

And exactly what place does Akali's shroud have? In an assassin's kit that prides itself in extreme sticking power and high burst potential, what exactly does a targeted, nonmobile stealth zone provide besides some safety from targeted abilities and basic attacks? If they reimplemented it as some sort of fog effect that shrouded and followed Akali at an ###-unit radius or something for a shorter duration, it'd feel much more different, because it could be much more effective in helping to mitigate damage while still chasing down enemies, providing both offensive and defensive utility.

Full Brain1 votes

Akali is either garbage or an unstoppable monster. She needs a full rework.

Enchanté1 votes

To me she's real garbage. She can't teamfight, she dies to pink wards, etc. I used to main Akali, and even if I went 10/0 in lane, 20 minute mark hits and enemy started grouping, while "FOCUS AKALI AND BUY PINKS"

No matter what I did, 20/0, 10/0, I couldn't carry my team alone, and I couldn't help them either. She definitely needs rework.

^ reason why I stopped playing her

LadyRenly1 votes

I don't think invisibility is really that important. I mean come on, they KNOW you're inside the shroud to begin with.

I think removing cast time is the only buff it really needs. Besides, isn't making your opponent spend 75 gold on a wrad to not ward a part of the map, but right in the middle of a lane a good thing?

SleepyLionCub1 votes

Should akali shroud really not get countered hard by pinks?

its kinda a good thing, and a completely reasonable way to counter the highly mobile burst assassin. She isnt strong now... but i remember when she was. And I really want a way to slap her when she becomes in meta again.

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