which champion is supposed to give ahri a hard time in lane.?

MunchCrunchLunch··4 votes·2,452 views

ahri currently is winning every single match up in mid lane. except two. those two are malzahar and annie. which she barely loses to them (to annie by like 1% and malz by 2.5).. other than these two who gives her a hard time. or "theoratically" who does. shes just bullies in lane so much.

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RogueWill5 votes

Nobody really gives her a hard time. There are a bunch of champions that will prevent her for getting ahed but there isn't really anyone considered a hard counter.

MunchCrunchLunch5 votes

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Nobody really gives her a hard time. There are a bunch of champions that will prevent her for getting ahed but there isn't really anyone considered a hard counter.

thats good to hear.

for ahri mains.

CerealBoxOfDoom4 votes

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thats good to hear.

for ahri mains.

you do not counter ahri, ahri does not counter you

you simply play the game.

This is how ahri works as far as the 1v1 laning goes.

TheOvermind1 votes

Last time I checked ahri hard counters xerath ziggs zilean karthus vel'koz. But no one really plays those champions, yet you see ahri played very often. I guess it makes perfect sense.

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

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Last time I checked ahri hard counters xerath ziggs zilean karthus vel'koz. But no one really plays those champions, yet you see ahri played very often. I guess it makes perfect sense.

she doesn't hard counter them. She does stop them from just rolling her in lane. Ahri doesn't "hardcounter" anyone that can cs well enough to get boots.

Ahri does not remove you from the game Ahri does not get removed from the game

Ahri was once the posterchild of the future of league midlane which is why she is balanced to be like this. But then again zed and irelia were also poster children of future projects. Doesn't mean they'll always be balanced or nontoxic but ahri is bae so its okay.

No bias whatsoever

#AhriFancultBanner

Ahri is not hardcountered by anything but getting an advantage over her at a particular point in the game is always an option if you are willing to pursue this. Kindof like how you can do this to zed but its far less expensive and doesn't necessarily involve items.

Knight Sky4 votes

Leblanc and Talon both wreck Ahri

Azules5001 votes

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Leblanc and Talon both wreck Ahri

God, I hate laning against Leblanc as Ahri. She has so many dashes and blinks to dodge your skillshots.

CerealBoxOfDoom3 votes

ahri doesn't lose based off the midlaner she loses based off the jungler and the team strategy.

Annie is not strong against ahri because of counterplay she's strong because as a jungler you need to take care of annie and babysit her for example. Malzahar just prevents engages which is useful. ryze can do the same thing. If you want to beat ahri in lane you can also just pick a heavy damage champ and get some boots. An important part of beating ahri is being a good and mobile cs'er and being able to be aggressive. The other day I took a lot of hits from swain for example but he started ruby crystal like a big puss so I just laughed and ignored him while I farmed and left lane to poop on his team.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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ahri doesn't lose based off the midlaner she loses based off the jungler and the team strategy.

Annie is not strong against ahri because of counterplay she's strong because as a jungler you need to take care of annie and babysit her for example. Malzahar just prevents engages which is useful. ryze can do the same thing. If you want to beat ahri in lane you can also just pick a heavy damage champ and get some boots. An important part of beating ahri is being a good and mobile cs'er and being able to be aggressive. The other day I took a lot of hits from swain for example but he started ruby crystal like a big puss so I just laughed and ignored him while I farmed and left lane to poop on his team.

but thats my question is who counters her in the laning phase.

CerealBoxOfDoom2 votes

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but thats my question is who counters her in the laning phase.

nobody, riot hates counters anyways.

If you want to "counter" her you have to define counter. There is nobody that just poops on her and kills her 20 times. Riot hates that and she ended up being the model for future mage design as well after she shat on the passive and annoying orianna playstyle by dueling her then going to poop on other lanes and constantly be in motion

Oleandervine3 votes

Any male champion (except Taric) gives her a hard time... ;)

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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Any male champion (except Taric) gives her a hard time... ;)

how does that make any sense?

Aids cuz League1 votes

I suddenly see why you have a hard time playing against Ahri. Go back to school and learn human anatomy, then come back here because for some reason I feel like you are too young to be playing this game if you couldn't tell what he meant. Like a lot of people shouldn't be on this game.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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I suddenly see why you have a hard time playing against Ahri. Go back to school and learn human anatomy, then come back here because for some reason I feel like you are too young to be playing this game if you couldn't tell what he meant. Like a lot of people shouldn't be on this game.

change your name to "league cuz aids"

Aids cuz League1 votes

That wouldn't make any sense considering I can't fit the word "of" in there as well. This was the better choice.

Kempachi Taichou2 votes

It's the summoner not the champion....

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

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It's the summoner not the champion....

yeah yeah. okay am talking about mechanically countering a champion with another's kit.

blfUvZ8Ybu2 votes

Ahri didn't have real counter.

BluePolarizer2 votes

Ahri is insanely OP.

Marshbouy2 votes

its a skill matchup. She is skillshot based, dodge her skillshots, you win get hit by her skillshots, you lose

swiftsnipe2 votes

anyone who builds rod of ages?

lccarus1 votes

I played against an Anivia yesterday. I came out the winner but barely. Pre-6 she can hit you pretty hard and after 6 it only favor a Ahri slightly more because of her ult. On CD though it's pretty even if not in Anivias favor.

Syndra gives her a hard time too with her quick burst + cc as your ult can't save you from syndras ult.

Fauxfire1 votes

Hi, Plat 3 Ahri here, with around 1400 games

Theoretically, Ahri does terrible against Fizz, Talon and Zed. She struggles against Yasuo, but that slightly more skill dependent.

As to why Annie should and technically does counter Ahri: Annie prevents Ahri from doing what Ahri is best at mid game. in laning phase, a good Ahri player can play it very safe and still manage to get ahead of Annie because of her skillshot abilities vs Annie's short-ranged point an click, but only if that Ahri shows a better laning phase than the other player. Late game Annie has more damage and a much bigger lockdown potential and can nearly insta-burst Ahri everytime Tibbers is up

Glîtchy2 votes

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Hi, Plat 3 Ahri here, with around 1400 games

Theoretically, Ahri does terrible against Fizz, Talon and Zed. She struggles against Yasuo, but that slightly more skill dependent.

As to why Annie should and technically does counter Ahri: Annie prevents Ahri from doing what Ahri is best at mid game. in laning phase, a good Ahri player can play it very safe and still manage to get ahead of Annie because of her skillshot abilities vs Annie's short-ranged point an click, but only if that Ahri shows a better laning phase than the other player. Late game Annie has more damage and a much bigger lockdown potential and can nearly insta-burst Ahri everytime Tibbers is up

I'd like to point out that Fizz isn't THAT hard to beat with Ahri. (Possibly just me)

Anywho, Veigar also makes Ahri cry.

Fauxfire1 votes

Veigar presents the same problem Annie does, but laning is easy. Also, you're right on the Fizz, I think I over emphasized the threat of Fizz assuming that you're a safe/good Ahri laner, but it's still not a preferred matchup.

Emerald Fang1 votes

Yasuo can dodge or wall all of her projectiles. Fiddle is also great; he has a silence and fear. Silence is almost like CC on Ahri b/c she's so ability-reliant. For off-meta champs, even Fiora mid isn't bad. You can usually bait out her charm then W, and ult while she's stunned.

Telephone Booth1 votes

What about galio? Or is he just a weak champ? I usually pick him against any AP mid when I can and win lane.

Jalkan1 votes

Just dodge Charm.

Zephyrous X1 votes

Her step-dad

Automatis1 votes

Anyone with sustain, Ahri's mana costs are shit early game and she needs multiple rotations to get a kill.

Sun Wukong Sun1 votes

Fizz MonkeyKing Talon Chogath Fiora MonkeyKing Fiddlesticks Irelia LeeSin Brand Nasus MasterYi MonkeyKing Nocturne TwistedFate Syndra Tryndamere MonkeyKing Jayce Akali Leblanc Nocturne MonkeyKing

Even Katarina but you have to bait her charm 1st.

And MonkeyKing also works.

ExcessiveProtest1 votes

Not the most experienced player myself, but between my experience and a few other players, here's the general consensus: Ahri has few hard counters, and hard counters fewer other Champs; even Karthus Karthus can do well if he plays his cards right. It mostly comes down to who has more experience with their champ, and with the specific matchup, outside a few cases. The lists vary from player to player; for example, Fizz Fizz is usually considered hell on earth, but I've never had issues unless he abandons lane and teammates forget how to ward. On the other hand, I have a terrible track record against Lux, though most people said it was an easy lane.

There aren't any guaranteed wins, but a few Champs made every player I spoke to cry if they show up. The general theme is, reliable CC, stacking health, reliable gap closers: if they have two, they're a potential problem.

Irelia Irelia has a point-and-click gap closer, a reliable stun, better sustain, higher damage output, and even if Ahri lands a Charm, Irelia's slow becomes a stun. If you can talk your team into okaying this, a smart Ahri will hug tower all game.

Vladimir Vladimir was THE most-hated opponent before his update, the few times he showed up. Nobody's dealt with him as Ahri since, but he hasn't changed all that much, so I could see it still working. The trick to it is every time Ahri Qs, Vlad Qs back, and his is guaranteed to land and heal him. If you can even partially dodge the Orb, you win the trade. Failing that, heal off minions, since Ahri has to burn mana to heal less, and just Pool whenever you see Charm or an all-in dive.

Riven It seems like it wouldn't be that bad, but nobody I know has had a good experience against Riven. Use the shield to get farm without losing health, bait Ahri close, and if you get the stun off, you'll probably take off half Ahri's health in one go. The advantage Riven has over most Champs who fight similarly is the low Cooldowns and redundant dashes; Fizz's trollpole is worse, but it's not up as much, and eventually he has to consider mana. Again, it's a lane where nobody thought it was the worst, but nobody could remember it going well.

Lulu Lulu is one that popped up a few times. Reliable click damage, polymorph, her shield, firing her Q from odd angles, and her Ult both boosting her health and interrupting All-Ins (Ahri wants to Ult close so W doens't miss, but Lulu's Ult is a knockup, so it interrupts dashes) were common complaints. Again, it's not common enough to occur to people, but the few players who fought a good Lulu were annoyed even thinking about it. You'd have to pick abilities carefully due to each one's dual effects, but the potential is there.

Annie Annie Diana Diana Chogath Cho'Gath Swain Swain Talon Talon Malzahar Malzahar Fizz Fizz and Kassadin Kassadin are all Champs that are commonly, but not universally, listed as counters. Annie has easy stuns, usually builds health, and has more burst, but a good Ahri will bunker down and abuse their range; it usually becomes a farm-and-roam lane, with Ahri only getting kills if Annie drops their guard, or if they're amazing at reading Annie players.

Diana Diana has a terrible time early on, but has her shield, a bit of ranged poke, and can follow-up Jungle ganks well pre-six. After six, she has a reliable dash, a potential second dash if she gets charmed the first time, a lot more damage, and a shield. Usually goes to Diana, but not enough that you can just pick up Diana and expect to win.

Chogath Hope you like farming; you have so much health many players won't even bother, and although Ahri outranges you, she has to get close for most of her damage, which means getting into range of Cho-Gath's nastiness; if he lands one ability, he'll land everything, and he usually only has to do it once mid-game. It's not too much of a counter since Ahri can just hang back and farm, then wander off to a less-annoying lane, but she'll be spending as much time out of lane as possible usually, just to avoid you.

Swain Swain is a bit odd, and again not updated for his update; almost everyone I spoke to lists him as a hard counter, but I've never had an issue in all two games I've seen him, probably Free Rotation's fault. CC, a lot of health stacking, and post-six he just has to press R to win trade. The biggest issue is you have to keep Ahri in range, and the delay on your root isn't going to make that easy. One word of advice: don't try to tower dive, I got my most dramatic kills from a Swain trying that, then getting charmed back in when they realize it was a terrible idea.

Talon Talon usually has the advantage overall, but it's still very loseable, especially if you get cocky. You have far more damage, your Q is easier to land than the Orb, your Blink places you behind the target, right where all the skillshots Ahri just fired won't hit (as well as causing Zed flashbacks), and your Ult makes aiming anything a colossal pain. The issue is, you're melee, Ahri's Q outranges yours, the blink puts you into optimal murder range if Ahri still has Charm, and even if you are invisible, if you're obvious about it, Orb and Charm can still hit. Again, don't tower dive (or try to poke near tower range), four times out of five they will make you look like an idiot.

Malzahar Played properly, Malzahar is a nasty opponent. Played mediocrely, he's going in someone's crappy montage. If you can land your silence, you win the trade, but you won't land it often. The real nastiness comes from intercepting Charms with your Voidlings, clicking on them for nasty damage, and the fact that unless they drastically change their build, you can just build up Voidlings, flash, click twice (E and Ignite), Ult, and boom, 100-0 with no effort. Ahri fares better than some in this matchup since she has good waveclear and, if their timing is amazing and your passive's down, they can interrupt your Ult; only use the above combo if your passive is up, in case of Charm.

Fizz Fizz tends to have issues during early levels; about 80% will die before hitting level 6 in my experience, though a Fizz main I ran into insists if they really try they can outtrade from level 3. Post-6, as the game goes on, they are increasingly able to 100-0, often even while missing some of their combo. If you can't survive in lane, drop it and roam; in my experience Fizz will die once, abandon his lane entirely, and wander off to other lanes who won't see it coming because he went straight to their flank from base without going Mid. If ten out of my last twelve games against Fizz have taught me anything, it's that Fizz's presence somehow makes other lanes stop warding, and he needs exactly four Jhin kills to catch up and force Ahri to play defensively.

Kassadin Kassadin is yet another case of level 6 reversal; he has a bit of an easier time than, say, AKali, farming, but isn't going to get any kills early. Stack health, wait for 6, and you'll probably win. Post-six the biggest issue you have is predictability; if it's obvious when and where you're going to Ult, good Ahri players can dodge the blast zone and/or Charm in advance, but as long as they can't get in your head, you do more damage, faster, on shorter cooldowns, and although Ahri has a longer poke range, you have a longer kill range.

Akali Akali Katarina Katarina are Champs that are heavily contested, would not reccomend unless you're sure of yourself; Katarina seems to generally be who is better; if Ahri anticipates Shunpos and charms Kats Ult fast, she wins, but if Kat evades poke and baits the Charm, she has better damage. Ahri has range, but Kat has reliability in her damage, it comes down to who's most experienced in the matchup and can get in the other player's head.

Akali Akali used to be considered a counter, and still is to a degree, but first she has to survive. If they survive to level six, A competent Akali will win, and the newest of players will outscale Ahri hard enough to win as the game goes on. If they don't feed horribly in the first five levels. And that's a big if; I have yet to fight an Akali who didn't die at least twice before hitting level six. It is definitely a lane for petty revenge; hate yourself for five or more levels, then spend the rest of the game trying to get revenge.

Finally, a few reminders; with Ahri, there are few hard counters either way; ninety percent of matchups are decided because one player is more experienced with their Champ and/or the lane. If you want to beat Ahri, dodge at range, punish her for getting close, and more than lane ganks, watch out for river and Jungle skirmishes; if a good Ahri player sees a fight nearby, they WILL interrupt and come back with a free kill in the time it takes you to ping MIA. If you get a chance to sneak away, most Ahri players won't follow until they see you; all her damage is delayed, so a bush ambush is usually a death sentence, and Foxfire and Spirit Rush are useless if they don't have sight. Don't worry about winrates; Ahri's is high because she's a good all-around Champ who can come back quick if they adjust their build, farm in a side lane, and play safe; she rarely feeds, so it prevents snowballey Mids from getting out of hand as easily as usual. Don't try to carry against Ahri; they're trying to snowball their team, since Ahri's carry potential is low. If you have substantial missing health, avoid clear lines of fire, if they know about the CharmFlash maneuver, you will not react in time. Build health, Ahri players hate extended stationary fights and don't have the cooldowns for anything beyond diving out and back in. And last but not least, never say we Ahri players never did anything nice for the community. We may be annoying, but we're not Zed players.

BlackEarthDragon1 votes

FIZZ. The trickster is more then enough to take her down. lvl 6 fizz combo just dodge her charm and your good

Dominick Destine1 votes

Talon obliterates Ahri's nine tails.

(If you know what I mean)

zlumpy1 votes

Doesn't ahri have a rough late game? She doesn't feel very impactful in really long games.

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