Its had ups and downs before but this is ridiculous
"we are going to shorten the game length by any means necessary, and just deal with the fallout whatever that might be"
Welp here's the fallout: game is garbage.
Speaking of fallout, I think i'll play fallout or maybe dota for the next 3 or 4 months. Give this game some time to improve.
Rain NT23 votesEh I kinda agree, the games are a bit too short. I like that its short so that early game champs are now viable, but its SO short that late isnt viable. They need to slow down the game alil longer.
LIKE WHY ARE THE TURRETS THIN LIKE PAPER, the facts even tank can take down turrets reasonably fast now is so dumb.
Rew71110 votesI remember that one day in my first month of playing League in the summer of Season 3, I had a game last 120 minutes. I cried at the fact even though we lost, I got almost 200 IP. It was the best game I'd ever played, and get this... it was for a even match. The enemy had pushed 5 times, getting our inhibitors but we got all of theirs. It went on like this for so long. Had 2 enemy Penta's and one Penta on our side. I've never had a game like that in years. It only gets above 40 if my team or the enemy just plays around in the jungle.
Skias7 votesI remember that one day in my first month of playing League in the summer of Season 3, I had a game last 120 minutes. I cried at the fact even though we lost, I got almost 200 IP. It was the best game I'd ever played, and get this... it was for a even match. The enemy had pushed 5 times, getting our inhibitors but we got all of theirs. It went on like this for so long. Had 2 enemy Penta's and one Penta on our side. I've never had a game like that in years. It only gets above 40 if my team or the enemy just plays around in the jungle.
The game artificially ends itself. It makes games feel cheap and fake. If both teams stand and do nothing, the team with a single kill wins. Minions will eventually win the game for you.
Xela Syab1 votesIdk, just reminds me of late season 3. it doesn't feel broken per se, but there are some glaring balance issues (e.g Kassadin) unfortunately theres more issues with itemization and mastery than champ balance which is the real kicker because some of these masteries made champs like Anivia, Swain, and Brand suddenly shoot up in winrate, but we're having snowball effect all lanes and matchups being huge issues. That said this game does have serious balance issues, pretty much bans feel pointless, teamcomps dont seem to matter over gold and damage spikes.
NotClarkolas22 votesThis game used to be about player skill. Now it's about champ select. It's that simple
Himbeekee5 votesCouldn't agree more. Ranked isn't your skill level, it isn't a test of how skilled you are climbing the ladder, its a test of which broken champion a team can abuse more.
Video games should be an escape from stress and anger, not an additive to it. At least in other video games, no matter how shitty you do, you can see a positive from it, or at least get rewarded. In League however, whenever you lose, you get sent back, deeper and deeper into the pit, where it is highly impossible to climb back up.
watch the bush1 votesAnd how fucking sad is that? Games are literally determined as a win / loss in champ select. It's PATHETIC.
Kanzaki Ranko18 votesright before 5.16 the game was in the best state it's ever been.
AscendedxBlade9 votesthe turrets killed the turret dive meta when they buffed them before then everyone stoped so they nerfed em and oh look we are back to turret diving
DeathViaKitten7 votesIf there's anything I have noticed since I started (which was right around season 3) it is that this game has just become too diverse. There are too many varieties, which is great when you think about it, but putting it in motion is really....Imbalanced. Since Season 6 started, I have increasingly liked the game less and less..and these last couple of weeks I have seriously wondered why I even play anymore. QQ all day if that's what you want to call it. But the game is way too diverse now where games are very hit and miss. Some are fun. Most are terrible. Ranked? Don't even get me started. I can't even get out of Bronze 5. Anytime I attempt to play ADC/Bot lane, I get stuck with a support that is trolling by playing another ADC champion or is raging because they didn't get jungle as their primary pick. I stopped playing ADC when they removed mana pots/clarity from SR. I switched to top lane, which was fun for awhile...Until something happened and all of a sudden I started getting matches with team mates who had no idea what the rift herald was.. and then you have champions like Zed, or Shaco.. Who are able to do massive amounts of damage without actually BEING NEAR you. It is also ridiculous how you can go from winning a game so easily, so immediately throwing 45 minutes later. Each match is exhausting. Absolutely exhausting. With very little reward, in my opinion. Still, I throw my money at this game, holding on and hoping maybe it's just a bad day to play. But days are turning into weeks, which is turning into months. I don't know what more to do. I just don't. (Except to stop playing altogether, which is really bittersweet to think about)
Skias3 votesIf there's anything I have noticed since I started (which was right around season 3) it is that this game has just become too diverse. There are too many varieties, which is great when you think about it, but putting it in motion is really....Imbalanced. Since Season 6 started, I have increasingly liked the game less and less..and these last couple of weeks I have seriously wondered why I even play anymore. QQ all day if that's what you want to call it. But the game is way too diverse now where games are very hit and miss. Some are fun. Most are terrible. Ranked? Don't even get me started. I can't even get out of Bronze 5. Anytime I attempt to play ADC/Bot lane, I get stuck with a support that is trolling by playing another ADC champion or is raging because they didn't get jungle as their primary pick. I stopped playing ADC when they removed mana pots/clarity from SR. I switched to top lane, which was fun for awhile...Until something happened and all of a sudden I started getting matches with team mates who had no idea what the rift herald was.. and then you have champions like Zed, or Shaco.. Who are able to do massive amounts of damage without actually BEING NEAR you. It is also ridiculous how you can go from winning a game so easily, so immediately throwing 45 minutes later. Each match is exhausting. Absolutely exhausting. With very little reward, in my opinion. Still, I throw my money at this game, holding on and hoping maybe it's just a bad day to play. But days are turning into weeks, which is turning into months. I don't know what more to do. I just don't. (Except to stop playing altogether, which is really bittersweet to think about)
This is 100% exactly how I feel. I feel like I mske zero impact on games and one person will get caught bringing down an avalanche of shit down on me even if I am fed.
CorpseMoney6 votesThe thing is rito dgaf they already have our money, now they can lure the casuals who play heroes of the storm with the shorter game. While us longtime players stay or leave, return, rinse repeat. The current meta is friggin disgusting, when i queue for a game I expect to play minimum 30 minutes and if it goes for 50 thats probably a great back and forth game. But lately I haven't played a game 40 minutes long unless its a custom with friends fking around. I like the old league, old warding, old jungle, less mobility, just everything not how it currently is.
QNjixEktAn4 votesits your fault for supporting them and their trash game concepts and zero play testing work cough cough cough cough that they say they do. OO we have a huge team of die hard tester testing things.
What riot is really saying: we have a team of testers but they are too busy doing tons of drugs and buying hookers with the money you gave to riot games. Thank you and donate more we need more hookers for the office and these testers.
stealthfox942 votesNow this right here is QQ.
IS1E531E3F9641936 votesfor me personally it's less fun because I like playing zyra and she gets shat on by every mobile enemy which happen to be 4/5 enemies in every game
Xeruon4 votes[deleted]
Critkeeper16 votesQQ would be going on and on about how the game isn't fair or listing the various reasons RIOT must be a bad company.
This isn't QQ, its feedback. There is a difference.
QQ: "This game is garbage because assassins/bruisers/adc/whatever"
Feedback: "This game is garbage because you took a huge risk by artificially shortening the game length"
There is always going to be a few champions that are better than the others. There will always be a class of champions that are somewhat more powerful than the other classes. Its a waste of time to cry about assassins or tanks or kogmaw or jax.
Its not a waste of time to complain about a basic risk management mistake. This sort of thing doesn't happen all the time. In fact, in my 5 years playing this is the first time its happened on such a staggering scale. Average game length is dictated by a variety of factors that range across every spectrum of the game, from gold generation to champion kits, from tower and minion damage to player perception. Artificially shortening it by blowing up a few factors will naturally create side effects and pressure the system in odd ways, and there is a risk of diminishing the enjoyability of the game by doing so.
Would you rather have good and fun games that are 45 minutes on average, or games that much less fun but 30 minutes long on average? What about games that are 30 minutes long but are the same amount of fun?
Riot wanted to reduce the length of matches, and took a risk, and it didn't pay off. Its going to take a lot of balance work to recalibrate the systems within the game that were responsible for making 45 minute matches so fun to take into account the altered game length, and even if they work their asses off I don't see it happening within 3 or 4 months.
So I'm saying its best to just leave it and let them get to work and then come back when the game is put back into alignment.
Gregor Gysi4 votes
Melledoneus2 votesGo home, you're drunk.
Gregor Gysi1 votes{quoted} League just isn't worth playing right now Its had ups and downs before but this is ridiculous
"we are going to shorten the game length by any means necessary, and just deal with the fallout whatever that might be"
Welp here's the fallout: game is garbage.
Speaking of fallout, I think i'll play fallout or maybe dota for the next 3 or 4 months. Give this game some time to improve.
1: Exaggeration by saying that the game has never been as bad as it is right now (that is a HUGE thesis seeing how ridiculous LoL was in the past - release Xin, dodge, warmogs league, BC league, metagolem, league of waveclear etcetcetc) 2: Poor analysis: how did Riot shorten the game length and why is that bad? (I know what he means, but he isn't even specific, what kind of feedback is that?) 3: Bad conclusion/poor choice of words: game is garbage - what? That is QQ and not feedback. 4: Assumption that if LoL isn't worth playing for HIM then it isn't worth playing for everyone. 5: DOTA IS BETTER!
Conclusion: this is a typical QQ anti riot circlejerk shitpost. Not worth it.
EDIT: If he wants to complain about eg death timers then he should've said:
Death timers are IMO exhausting and too punishing in the early game. The impact of that can be seen especially well in professional play where everyone is too anxious of trying something in the early game so that we see a safe laneswap everygame and stalling until minute 2x where 1 team teamfight happens and then it's game over. And if that teamfight doesn't happen then people are stalling until minute 40. That means that the increased death timers to not accomplish the goal of shorter games in the way Riot intended it but rather encourages overly defensive and unexiting gameplay that frustrates in soloQ and makes profession games boring. Do you too think that this is an actue issue?
But no, he had to call the game garbage and not worth playing just because he doesn't like a change. Awesome feedback.
Melledoneus1 votesThat's a lot of talk for a drunk person. But it just proves you're drunk because it's a whole lot of nonsense. :)
Gregor Gysi1 votesStop acting like an idiot.
Gregor Gysi1 votesIf you don't have a good gif you probably shouldn't post a gif.
Kaiser Noah2 votesQQ would be going on and on about how the game isn't fair or listing the various reasons RIOT must be a bad company.
This isn't QQ, its feedback. There is a difference.
QQ: "This game is garbage because assassins/bruisers/adc/whatever"
Feedback: "This game is garbage because you took a huge risk by artificially shortening the game length"
There is always going to be a few champions that are better than the others. There will always be a class of champions that are somewhat more powerful than the other classes. Its a waste of time to cry about assassins or tanks or kogmaw or jax.
Its not a waste of time to complain about a basic risk management mistake. This sort of thing doesn't happen all the time. In fact, in my 5 years playing this is the first time its happened on such a staggering scale. Average game length is dictated by a variety of factors that range across every spectrum of the game, from gold generation to champion kits, from tower and minion damage to player perception. Artificially shortening it by blowing up a few factors will naturally create side effects and pressure the system in odd ways, and there is a risk of diminishing the enjoyability of the game by doing so.
Would you rather have good and fun games that are 45 minutes on average, or games that much less fun but 30 minutes long on average? What about games that are 30 minutes long but are the same amount of fun?
Riot wanted to reduce the length of matches, and took a risk, and it didn't pay off. Its going to take a lot of balance work to recalibrate the systems within the game that were responsible for making 45 minute matches so fun to take into account the altered game length, and even if they work their asses off I don't see it happening within 3 or 4 months.
So I'm saying its best to just leave it and let them get to work and then come back when the game is put back into alignment.
Bye
Astôlfo3 votesOkay, then don't play.
Timewinder2 votes^^^^
I don't really understand why people feel they have to announce that they're leaving or that the game is unfun. I will always enjoy the game, but if you don't then just leave.
ButoMiskin3 votesI really think RIOT should make different modes to suit different needs. Make a longer summoners rift and make a shorter summoner rift. Im very sure people will appreciate that. I work 12 hours a day so I would prefer to play a short game before I call it a day. But during my off days a good long game will really be nice
DeathViaKitten1 votesI like this idea. I also want more troll / fun game modes like URF. I know it's better to have these for 'seasonal' days but man. I loved URF. It made winning and losing OK because you KNEW it was a troll mode. It would be nice too if they added a 4th ban? I'm not sure what other input to have. But it's obvious that with 100 champions..you're going to have serious balance issues.
Also: UPDATE AI BOTS PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE. Holy moly. [slayer-jinx-unamused]
DrNova3 votesWhy do people make whiney threads about how they don't like the game.
Go play another game them. The vast majority still enjoys the game.
If you don't like it anymore, leave. And take your opinions with you, because you don't speak for everyone.
Tyf0x3 votesIts had ups and downs before but this is ridiculous
"we are going to shorten the game length by any means necessary, and just deal with the fallout whatever that might be"
Welp here's the fallout: game is garbage.
Speaking of fallout, I think i'll play fallout or maybe dota for the next 3 or 4 months. Give this game some time to improve.
Same here, taking a break.
I really did try to keep going but I don't enjoy it as much anymore. The huge majority of the games are one-sided, have afk/people complaining of ping in most games, ...
I'm suspecting that games being only 5 mn shorter on average is simply caused by the 20 mn surrender minimum time limit. I've recently lost games at 5-10 minutes into the game. Last season that would be recoverable, but in normals soloQ it's only possible if the enemy team decides to suicide.
Anyway, since I'm playing for fun and I can't have it, I'll just look somewhere else until I feel the game is in a better state.
DeathViaKitten1 votesSame here, taking a break.
I really did try to keep going but I don't enjoy it as much anymore. The huge majority of the games are one-sided, have afk/people complaining of ping in most games, ...
I'm suspecting that games being only 5 mn shorter on average is simply caused by the 20 mn surrender minimum time limit. I've recently lost games at 5-10 minutes into the game. Last season that would be recoverable, but in normals soloQ it's only possible if the enemy team decides to suicide.
Anyway, since I'm playing for fun and I can't have it, I'll just look somewhere else until I feel the game is in a better state.
I had to uninstall the other day because I just was so defeated with the mechanics. Aram is a mess too, but I can understand that because it's Aram. This game has definitely become a 'who picks the right tanky champs/energy based champs". I've had matches where we could not make a single dent in their health, even with all the MP/Armor pen in the world. But because they were just tanky enough, they were able to sustain and push us over. It's a shifty game of tug and war until the right champions get the right items and then boom you stand no chance of winning at all. Sorry, I REALLY hate to cry and moan about this..but it's really been heavy on my heart considering I enjoyed playing this game and loved all the new ideas and champions..up until 6.0.
Has anyone else lately only been winning if by chance someone (or two) afk's in the other team? It's pathetic. (And maybe i'm just bad. I'm willing to accept either at this point..)
Time to go play RE0
SeductiveGrandpa3 votesHeya guys! The second "League isnt worth playing right now" thread! Hopefully, theres another one next month!
Azure Dancer2 votesIs it really that bad in na? My friends and I don't have any issues with the current game state (except the game length and how easy it is to throw) and still continue to play it. Ranks also have never been easier. But I'm only gold 5 so take this with a grain of salt.
stealthfox942 votesGame shorter?????????? I just had a b.s 76 minute game last night.
Tyf0x5 votesGame shorter?????????? I just had a b.s 76 minute game last night.
Of course there is still longer games, but overall games are shorter.
What currently makes games longer are:
Party SHUT DOWN2 votesOr Riot can just Buff Tryndamere?
XIII Vanitas2 votesIf you don't like the game, you're free to leave. Game is anything but garbage right now.
Timewinder1 votesthis might seem weird, but i actually am having much more fun than i was back in season 5.
Derfel2 votesNot only is the game unfun to play but competitive right now is a complete joke. Even in KR when you can get past the chicks who don't understand screaming like they're getting raped ruins the experience for people it's just 10 people doing nothing for 50 mins and OPPS SOMEONE GOT CAUGHT gg.
IceKingChernobog2 votesFire emblem fates is coming out this week, but so far i've been occupying myself with Persona Q, Ori and the blind forest and Boy and his blob. I might buy RE: Zero next week
Arakadia2 votesI think they should add new maps, new modes, and new roles maybe. If they buffed the xp given from Bard's chimes he could have been the start of a new role: Roamer or something. Similar to jg but doesn't kill creeps maybe or something. The game is too meta atm.
1 top, 1 mid, 1 jg, 2 bot. The classes that can go where are too restrictive. Early League could have annie and alistar bot.
QNjixEktAn1 votesthe games aren't shorter. Its the champion selection that actually works.
SKT T1 Neon1 votesLeague is life :D
La Barbotte1 votesthen dont play 
your rage is beyond his control
Bârd1 votesI hear blade and soul is pretty good.
Miku Append1 votesI'd like to see more maps and gamemodes personally. I might head over to Smite again until they beat the hell out of Zed with the nerf bat and give some support changes that make things more pleasant for us.
Ominpresent1 votesNah this game isn't worth playing it's trash, the community is nothing but toxic most of the time people just flame you for their mistakes or you get trolled 3 out of 5 games. And when you decide I'm sick and tired of being trolled and call people out on their bullshit. They make you seem like the bad guy in turn they report you. You have no idea how many times I called mid in blind pick only to have someone say "Nah F U I'm going mid" and lock in or Duo mid or w/e lane it is and then they get your role and go figure they Massively feed. I've played this game for 4 years I've gotten multiple accounts to diamond or higher and played every champion over a hundred times easily so this opinion is not just coming from some ignorant bronzey. The game itself would be good but they have the worse ban system I have ever seen out of any game and I have easily played over 300 games in my lifetime at least I currently own 172 on steam alone. I've never been banned once on any game until I played this game. I had an account for 3 years with every champion every single rune and over 176 skins and 2 games in a row I got a trio queue who were trolling. I was pissed off because it was ranked they all fed and they all cried to me and they all reported me two games in a row next thing I know my account was permanently banned for hundreds of years from now. The ban system on this game doesn't care what anyone does who is ruining the game for you or what they are doing to constantly troll like being an ap jg and your top laner is taking your first blue then following you around in the jg etc. I tried to fight it and ask support for help they said nothing they could do pretty much. So down the drain with all the money I spent on that account over the years which turned out to be roughly around 1700 dollars that they told me go Fk yourself over. And the funniest thing is you could be pissed off because some guy is wasting your time by trolling your entire team in ranked or something and if you call him out you will now be in the wrong. This games community is comprised of mostly children or at least maturity wise who suck at the game and decide to ruin and waste everyone time. Even if your team is down 30 kills 15 minutes in your team 80 percent of the time will not surrender so you then have to waste 45 mins in a game that could have ended in 20 minutes if your team was intelligent enough to just surrender. It takes way to much time to earn champions by means of just playing and earning IP. I've done the math and calculated it to get one Champion that cost 6300 ip, you are literally looking at playing around 80 games for just one champion. They make earning champions this ridiculous so that you will spend your hard earned money to get them instead of wasting hours and hours of time now do the math on 80 games 80 normal games will take at minimum 20 mins the average game takes around 35 minutes. 80x 35 is 2800 minutes you have to put in to earn one champion. And you get even less IP for losing so its possible it could take much longer then this to earn a champion. Now granted their are players that are very low skilled and just toxic and then their are players like me that pretty much rock at every game they play and have to literally carry every single game now you might think I am just bragging or you might even go as far as to look up my the name of this account which btw is just a smurf so don't waste your time or you might even think I sound like a douche but that is not the case It is actually extremely stressful to be good at this game because you realize how terrible every other player is and all the mistakes they make that can result in losses to your game as well as get you killed for their mistakes etc. However a good player will tell you this though treat other players like bots because they cannot be relied on until much higher elos such as diamond up. Now people will say you should change your attitude but the problem with that is this game is very soul sucking if you are a good player. What I have done ever since my main account got banned was just enter a game and type /ignore all immediately because most of the time people chatting have nothing to offer to the game they are just lonely, and talking in this game can just result to a ban if you actually talk strategy instead of rubbish because the low skilled players take offense to everything becauase they all think they are pro because they watch a stream or two but they have no mechanics or idea how to actually play the game rotate take objectives etc. The ban system on this game is extremely flawed and unfair and if you actually put the time in to earn champions and your account gets banned my condolences unless you are truly a toxic player that deserves it but they don't care about that they just want your money and figure if they ban you you will make a new account and give them more money anyways. Another thing about this game if you are competitive gamer like myself is that you literally cannot earn money from this game at all. The owner of this game doesn't even pay the pro players. They get paid off of their sponsors solely which recently Reginald the leader of team TSM had a petition of some sorts signed by all pro players to fight this that's how greedy the owner of this game is. So my advice to you is this game is just not worth playing don't change your attitude unless you are just being ignorant and spouting racism etc. They need to change the ban system lower the amount of time it takes to earn champions and remove the real toxic trash from this game It amazes me you can even be banned for verbal abuse when their is a mute button. So I end with this if you are like me and feel more like this game is a chore or something to do rather then fun I suggest you don't play it anymore because this game will not last many more years from now anyways and by then their will be much more fun not greedy companies making great games.
