Isn't Garen a little bit too buffed now?

Bobovich·4/14/2017, 1:47:56 PM·5 votes·848 views

I know he isn't played at higher ELOs much, so who cares?

Well, I care, and I'm not a higher ELO player.

The tankyness randomly afforded to that resourceless champ is absurd. And his 'dunk' damage basically means if your HP is <30% you're dead if in range of R.

His slight early game weakness apparently vanishes after his first back, and then, viola, spin to win.

I suggest toning down some of his defensive stats, and reducing his base AD. Remove that bizarre true damage buff to his ult, and for god's sake make him use mana.

19 Comments

Big Lincoln4/14/2017, 2:24:18 PM3 votes

Garen is bad though

Slythion4/14/2017, 2:16:43 PM3 votes

You realize what you're saying right?

"I'm not good enough to beat this bad champion, so I want him nerfed! The game should accommodate my skills (or lack there-of) instead of having me get better! I don't care if the champion has clear strengths and weaknesses, he does good against bad players so he should be nerfed, even if decent players have no trouble beating him"

this is a case where telling you to "git gud" is actually a legitimate argument. Get good instead of complaining about bad champions being too stronk

Ralanr4/14/2017, 1:49:00 PM3 votes

So basically you want Garen deleted? Because you're removing many things that make him Garen.

Slythion4/14/2017, 1:55:44 PM2 votes

these are terrible ideas imo

NovaDisk4/17/2017, 6:03:36 PM1 votes

Garen's literally in contention for the weakest champion in the game right now. He's not that hard to beat, you just have to learn how to kite and trade. His lane phase is terrible and in many comps he can't do anything late game.

Garen doesn't do 30% of your HP unless you're the villain. If nobody is below half, Garen basically doesn't have an ultimate ability.

Dominick Destine4/14/2017, 2:56:08 PM1 votes

Uh what? is this a troll thread? Garen could actually stand to gain a big buff.

He's trash compared to Darius, Riven, Illaoi, Fiora and Camille.

His slight early game weakness apparently vanishes after his first back

.... what? his weakness is that he is entirely melee with no gap closer, is EXTREMELY predictable and unlike other juggernauts , doesn't have insane damage scaling.

Illaoi for example can easily 1v3 top under certain circumstances, even when behind, so can Darius. What the fuck can Garen do but try to run? he's very susceptible to harass because his passive is non-existent until it auto-upgrades after laning. Garen needs buffs not nerfs.

Chad Chadlainn4/14/2017, 5:42:56 PM1 votes

As a Garen main I must say that you wanting to put my boi in an even worse position than he is now is upsetting.

All he has is the ability to dick people if he gets ahead, and sometimes he also gets lucky and his villain mechanic decides to place itself on somebody you want it to. Otherwise, he's lackluster in most departments. He's god decent sustain in lane, but his passive is almost useless in lane. He does damage, but has no way to get to his targets besides flash or simply running straight at them, so you can kite him easy enough. Aside from any clutch interruptions with his Q, he offers no CC and therefore needs to kill somebody or distract them in order for him to be useful, which he can't really do unless he's ahead.

Just play Darius against him and you'll have little problems because with the Juggernaut update, they removed his early game trades.