Why are we reworking Galio and Warwick before urgot?

Hammermancer··2 votes·1,322 views

Galio is still very strong and has a good amount of utility, I think urgot kind of needs it a bit more... then again if we were to trade places for urgot with someone then it should be warwick, he's still perfect for what he does (Teaches new players how to jungle >.>)

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OurLestrade6 votes

I suppose the "dream" of those two champions is much clearer than what Urgot is. Galio's clearly meant to be some sort of tanky defender, Warwick some sort out hunter, Urgot on the other hand is really blurry thematic wise.

Destaice2 votes

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I suppose the "dream" of those two champions is much clearer than what Urgot is. Galio's clearly meant to be some sort of tanky defender, Warwick some sort out hunter, Urgot on the other hand is really blurry thematic wise.

Basically this.

You look at Warwick and already know he has something to do with werewolves. Pretty face value.

Gallo is a Gargoyle and has gargoyle like abilities (if compared to other games).

But Urgor is... well... yeah...

I don't think anyone looked at Urgot and understood what his character is about.

winteriscoming973 votes

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Basically this.

You look at Warwick and already know he has something to do with werewolves. Pretty face value.

Gallo is a Gargoyle and has gargoyle like abilities (if compared to other games).

But Urgor is... well... yeah...

I don't think anyone looked at Urgot and understood what his character is about.

An angry sack of potatoes?

Destaice2 votes

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An angry sack of potatoes?

Exactly

He's a gardener

BeatzBoyFTW3 votes

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He's a gardener

Nasus rivalry intensifies

Anonagon2 votes

Urgot is a harder project with likely less payoff. He also has a playstyle that, while a bit unhealthy, brings a unique thing to the game for the time that he's still here. Galio's pretty unique as he is too but Warwick is literally a walking 2 second point and click CC. He needs the update more than Urgot by a lot.

Altonius Amakiir2 votes

I don't know what you are talking about. Warwick is a fairly disfunctional champion. His Q mana cost is higher than his ult's mana cost for most of the game; his W becomes useless on the only viable damage build for him; his E is underwhelming as an ability; his ult being point click supression is disgusting; and he has ap scaling for Q, AD scaling for ult(but does magic damage for some reason), and the only viable damage build for him is on hit effects which doesnt follow either of these scalings very well. He has virtually no gank potential outside of his ult(although I would like to note you can gank if you have e and enemy is at your turret pre-6 with good success). His Q has a cast time to it, so you stop to use it if you are chasing someone and they can then get away, it also can prevent it from going off in situations where the heal from it could keep you alive in a fight(get killed before cast time completes) which is always infuriating. And his mana pool is so small, that three Qs will use all your mana, and its your only damaging ability besides the long cooldown ult, and has itself a short cooldown so it ideally should be able to be spammed.

Going back to his W, if you're building him damage, your AS will be close to 2.5 full build(at least the way i build him); if you are going tank, then you're not going to do much damage, why bother with it? The duration is so low it makes barely any difference in a fight, and the AS buff to allies is so low it barely makes a difference too.

Urgot on the other hand has a kit where for the most part things work well together and all abilities function. His E gives his Q and W a slowing effect, his W gives his Q a lockon effect, his passive and his e make him hard to beat in a duel, and while his ult doesn't really fit too well with the rest, it still gives him damage reduction which can help with the incredible duelist feature. His ult is also just a good ability by itself, move an enemy into your team and you into theirs while you get damage reduction and the enemy is feared for a bit, get the heck out and it becomes a 5v4, just need to make sure that you built enough tank to survive with the damage reduction. Urgots flaws are how his ult doesnt flow with the rest of the kit(although i like it a lot), his low mana pool, and how if he falls behind before getting manamune its hard to recover, at least from my experience.

Prophet of Urgod2 votes

Well said.

Jinzo Torrance2 votes

Urgot got played frequently in Korea some time ago, so his reowrk got post-poned

CrazyBear19871 votes

Warwick and Galio, from my understanding are going to have the same rework as the assassins.

Updated mechanics, abilities and visual upgrade.

Urgot is going to need a complete overhaul in his design, new mechanics, abilities and a visual upgrade, and that takes more time.

SkyblazeHydraX32 votes

Actually, all three are getting complete overhauls. Galio's actually slated to be their biggest one yet.

CrazyBear19871 votes

Oh. I guess Urgot will need more work than the others. as i know warwick should be early 2017, maybe january. and the team doing that moves on to doing urgot.

Prophet of Urgod1 votes

I don't think they announced who is after Warwick.

CrazyBear19872 votes

After Warwick is Galio, done by another team

Prophet of Urgod2 votes

There are two teams. One is currently working on Warwick while the second team is working on Galio. Once the Warwick team finishes him, they will move to another, unannounced champion while the Galio team continues their work.

Blue1011 votes

Warwick is in no way "perfect for what he does" right now. The changes to the jungle this preseason make his clear time so painfully slow that he's no longer remotely viable. Add to this the change to fervor of battle making him hit like a wet noodle once he does finally get to level 6 (the point at which a Warwick gank is dangerous) and Warwick is the worst off he's EVER been. Warwick has needed a re-work ever since they decided to neuter his sustain, about 3(?) years ago. Galio and Urgot can swap for all I care, but Warwick needs an update. Badly.

Altonius Amakiir1 votes

Why do people keep saying his clear is worse, mine has improved 20 seconds, that point is completely invalid(I main warwick btw). On your other points, yeah his damage was decreased with fervor changes, but its not all that substantial of a debuff, just switched to thunderlords. And yes he needs an update bad; his Q has a horendous mana cost, at times it will cost more than ult; his ult frankly is disgusting, with full on hit effect build it 100 to 0s any champ, and theres nothing they can do about it, on top of that it damages everyone around you too with tiamat procs; and his W becomes pointless once you hit late game, so really only your e is a completely functional ability, and its a togglable vision/speed.

GigaPube1 votes

nope. urgot is a spell-based caster. he has a better all-around kit with a slow, damage reduction, a shield, armor shred, and an interesting and unique ult. warwick has an incredibly transparent and basic kit. hes an ultbot from level 6. he autoattacks, and has 4 abilities that help him autoattack or proc his pathetic inbuilt lifesteal. no clue how you could think urgot deserves it more. guessing you didnt think too hard about it. if you dont like purposely ugly champs and wanna play as effeminate metrosexuals, theres a bunch of ezreals you can be in final fantasy 15

Rebonack1 votes

So long as Urgot stills pisses himself when he dies, I don't care what else Riot does with him.

WoonStruck1 votes

Urgot functions reliably. Those two can't (or at least have a very hard time) without being too good. They're too binary.

Bishasaurus Flex1 votes

I love how you say "we" like you have anything to do with Riot and the decisions they make.

If they are reworking Galio before WW and Urgot, it's because they are choosing to rework Galio first.

Derp

Hammermancer1 votes

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I love how you say "we" like you have anything to do with Riot and the decisions they make.

If they are reworking Galio before WW and Urgot, it's because they are choosing to rework Galio first.

Derp

QUICK MAKE FUN OF HIS VERNACULAR

TerraRising1 votes

When the Champion Update (ChampUp) decides on a new champion, the teams spend two months to come up with concepts and ideas for a variety of champions. After that time, they decide on the champion they feel has a most solid foundation to work off of. They also take into consideration a variety of other factors, like "player feedback" and "viability on live."

This is why champs like Sion, Poppy and Taric were reworked before Yorick and it's why Galio and Warwick are being reworked before Urgot, Evelynn and Irelia.

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