Apparently even support's grades depend on CS.

Xyntheyxz·Dec 6, 2016·41 votes·1,943 views

Rly? Really? REALLY??? RITO. WHY. JUST. WHY.

MAKE IT DEPEND ON Wait why is this item ^ STILL on the Boards???

26 Comments

5000000000000000Dec 6, 20165 votes

item 2050 This also exists

Maximum MordeDec 6, 20163 votes

Because you are measured against other people playing that champion in that role. If they are getting CS, CS becomes the benchmark.

EschetonDec 7, 20162 votes

Build zz-rot. Get cs by proxy. (not proxying)

TyrekGoldenspearDec 7, 20162 votes

I play Taric and Leona Support.

With item 3401 I have no problem getting a S via CS. :3

TworieDec 6, 20161 votes

I think it has something to do with the fact that people switch roles in the lobby after queuing up for another and then doing well so they can get an easy S rank, maybe????

Deep Terror NamiDec 6, 201615 votes

Some CS is expected. Normally you wouldn't get very much and it should come pretty naturally to get S-grade CS by holding waves while the carry isn't there or nabbing last hits the ADC was going to miss, but some Support champs clear waves really well so might get quite a bit in longer matches.

If you have no CS as a Support you're actually missing free gold that nobody got.

TworieDec 6, 20161 votes

All I know is that I got an easy S rank from playing Voli Mid and I only went like 5/4/14

Nameless VoiceDec 6, 20167 votes

This. You should definitely be getting CS as a support. Not taking any CS as a support is never some kind of ideal goal to aspire to. You should be taking CS when:

No one else is around to take it and it will die otherwise
When you are defending / pushing alone because the rest of your team are elsewhere or dead (can often happen late-game)
You find yourself in the enemy jungle late-game and are playing a support who can quickly steal an enemy camp
Also, when pushing with your team you tend to get a few minions, since the goal is to clear quickly with less focus on who gets that cs.

ahferroin7Dec 7, 20164 votes

While I entirely agree on that, the fact that you functionally need either multiple kills or insane CS on many supports to reliably get an S rank while wards have near zero impact on grade is absolutely insane.

ImmortalBloodCYDec 7, 20161 votes

You are saying that it is easy to do that.

If i get some CS while my adc isnt near the lane he/she goes ballistic and starts cussing me.

I mean do they seriously have to go nuts over me getting 2-5 CS when they are not even near?

I do get CS if i use item 3401 .

Deep Terror NamiDec 7, 20161 votes

If your ADC is going psycho over you getting CS nobody else was going to get, feel free to mute him. Let them burst a blood vessel on their own time. Try to recognize if he's just telling you to not push the lane, that's a bit different.

ImmortalBloodCYDec 7, 20161 votes

Very well!

As for my ADC trying not to push the lane that's pretty easy to recognize. Besides i only take the creeps with low HP.

FakeGravityDec 6, 20161 votes

is specially clear on tank support because they use face of the mountain line, on others is more about how much you die, you want a perfect score to get an S on other champions.

the real burden is trying to get an S in any mage that can be support and mid, annie orianna, lux, zyra, not only you cant die but also need to get farm because everytime someone play them mid it increase the average farm you need to get an S

OleandervineDec 6, 20162 votes

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is specially clear on tank support because they use face of the mountain line, on others is more about how much you die, you want a perfect score to get an S on other champions.

the real burden is trying to get an S in any mage that can be support and mid, annie orianna, lux, zyra, not only you cant die but also need to get farm because everytime someone play them mid it increase the average farm you need to get an S

It creates a basis for the champion in the specific role. There are the statistics in place to rate you against every other Annie played specifically as support, just as there are separate statistics to rate you against when you play Annie Top, Annie Jungle, Annie Mid, and Annie ADC. These statistics do not overlap when it determines a grade for a side role.

ahferroin7Dec 7, 20161 votes

Yes, which means that it's not hard if you're decent at support to get an S on someone like Ekko by playing them support.

TheEvilQueen135Dec 6, 20161 votes

the grade also depends on kills. it sucks

paperbIadeDec 7, 20161 votes

got s+ on veigar support

rtbf234962475Dec 7, 20161 votes

all of its shortcomings are made up by how evil it is

Mighty MorteinDec 7, 20161 votes

I thought they made it so when it comes to grading, assists are equal or almost worth as much as kills.

Sraeg2013Dec 6, 20161 votes

The thing is the grade depends on the average stats of your champion in that role, which equals to the fact that a support with a significant CS plays "better" thus gets a better grade.

It also (should) depends on the ward score, but since you play a role that naturally wards a lot, its impact is actually lower, unless you are shitting wards left and right.

ahferroin7Dec 7, 20161 votes

By that same note, it should also depend on stuff like structure kills, and neutral objectives should carry more weight than regular CS. The problem is that Riot doesn't seem to care that what makes a player good varies by role.

ElishevaDec 7, 20161 votes

ez.

COBRA C0MM4NDERDec 7, 20161 votes

so, spamming wards will help on support rating? I know if you're in your own store area, you can spam a ton of wards once you have a sightstone.

not sure if that's a legit way to get a high ward count...but I topped one game with 105 wards placed. (75% of em spammed in the base, drop a couple each time and leave once the item resets to full)

as for CS...i've only been getting that when lane is empty or my ADC is off somewhere having a kill fantasy

Athenes LuluDec 7, 20161 votes

I think it all weighs down to gold earned.

CS is just a big part of that gold, and so are kills, unfortunately.

Papa AndreiDec 7, 20161 votes

No gold earned actually has no part. Went 4/0/18 as brand, had most gold on my team, and did 2nd most damage. Got an A- with 150 cs. 2/4/7 Varus got an S with 240 ish cs

Batko ti EmoDec 7, 20161 votes

You can get an S on most supports with 60ish CS as far as my experience goes. Which is a valid amount for a support to have at the end of a 30 minute game. But anyway the reality of the matter is if you want to guarantee an S, just play the casters mid and the tanks top. It's a good experience. I personally enjoy it.

I don't see a reason why mastery of a champ has anything to do with pressing 4. If anything if you managed to evade ganks without vision that proves higher mastery. And if you can turn around a 2v3, well, obviously you're good mechanically and conceptually with the champ in that case.