Garen seriously needs a hotfix

Malix Farwin·Sep 8, 2015·7 votes·846 views

Tanky, Regen, Mobility, Damage and Burst, and a Hard CC. He has no weaknesses. Cant even play teambuilder.

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Live2LetDieSep 8, 20154 votes

It's this magical thing called... Outplay. Just kite him ez

Malix FarwinSep 8, 20153 votes

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It's this magical thing called... Outplay. Just kite him ez

ROFL out kite him, gl with that. i suggest reading his Q.

Live2LetDieSep 8, 20151 votes

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ROFL out kite him, gl with that. i suggest reading his Q. Won't stop a stun haha

Malix FarwinSep 8, 20153 votes

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Won't stop a stun haha

wont stop a stun but wont have any chance of killing him either. he will just re-engage you once his q is back up.

Devilreaper XIIISep 8, 20154 votes

1900 true damage ult possible gg sur 20.....

CavemanteroSep 9, 20151 votes

qq more? And pros still are playing him.

SageaceSep 8, 20153 votes

Garen does have weaknesses. You can counter Garen by using ranged champions and using kiting skills with a decent amount of CC works. Another backup is using hp% shred items or abilities.

Currently, he is still being looked at on the PBE definitely much needed changes to "re-balance" him once again. He is currently stronger than necessary but he still has weaknesses.

The real reason Garen is stronger than usual is due to his "Villain mechanic". The villain tends to be an enemy carry, and they can die by just existing at half their hp bar before getting deleted about as hard as AP Veigar all because of the true damage.

Demacia.

The other reason Garen is harder to counter against is due to his Dreadnoughts. (I know it's called Dead Man's Plate, but Dreadnoughts is more easier to type and say). He has a free Boots of Swiftness tagged on him as soon as he moves about ~1000 units. Tag that on with a Black Cleaver's Rage Passive AND any pair of boots he will buy and he is hits harder than Alistar is supposed to and moves as fast (if not faster) than the horseman Hecarim.

Officer TristianSep 9, 20152 votes

If they nerf him again ill stop playing garen compleatly (this hole rework was just a bad nerf).

His base stats ware lowerd

HEALTH GROWTH STAT 96 ⇒ 84.25 (this is huge, disingage and wait for pasive to heal no longer an option it takes to long ) ATTACK DAMAGE GROWTH STAT 3.5 ⇒ 4.5 (buff) ARMOR GROWTH STAT 2.7 ⇒ 3.0 (small buff) ATTACK RANGE 125 ⇒ 175 (usless on mele champ) BASE MOVEMENT SPEED 345 ⇒ 340 (lower)

Q - Decisive Strike SILENCE DURATION 1.5/1.75/2/2.25/2.5 seconds ⇒ 1.5 seconds at all ranks (HUGE NERF) MOVEMENT SPEED DURATION 1.5/2.25/3/3.75/4.5 seconds ⇒ 1.5/2/2.5/3/3.5 seconds (one more nerf) BONUS MOVEMENT SPEED 35% ⇒ 30%(nerf)

W - Courage

REMOVEDTENACIOUS C No longer actively provides Tenacity (NERF) REMOVEDVIVA LA RESISTANCES No longer passively increases Garen's bonus Armor and Magic Resistance (NERF) NEWSTACK ATTACK Passively, Killing units permanently grants 0.25 Armor and Magic Resist (1 for kills on Champions, Large Monsters and Epic Monsters), to a maximum of 30 at all ranks (NERF)

E - Judgment

Judgment's damage and tick-rate increases over game-time.

COOLDOWN 13/12/11/10/9 seconds ⇒ 9 seconds at all ranks BASE DAMAGE PER TICK 10/22.5/35/47.5/60 ⇒ 14/18/22/26/30 RATIO PER TICK .35/.40/.45/.50/.55 ⇒ .34/.35/.36/.37/.38 TICKS PER CAST 6 ⇒ 5 NEWSPIN TO WIN Judgment's spin speed permanently increases at levels 1/4/7/10/13/16, resulting in a total of 5/6/7/8/9/10 maximum ticks of damage per cast NEWMOMENTUM CANCELING Cancelling Judgment early refunds the cooldown equal to the remaining duration of the spin NEW1V1 ME Judgment deals 33% increased damage when striking a single target

ALL the previes nerf ware for an E buff witch deals more damage (but not at EARLY LEVELS where its nerfed comperd to old e, only after lev 7) ps: it also takes longer to aply the damage . And a gimick bit extra true damage on ult ..witch you dont control at al (if youre ult its on something like ahry good luck with geting to her).

Long story short pre rework i had no truble with riven -rene -fiora- maokay etc (i wan 8-9 out of 10 machups in my div ) now he no longer couters them in laning phaze this thx to shorter silance, less damage on E, lower spead, weaker w.

Actualy If you want to beat BADLY Garen is VERY easy, you have to counter pick him. Take a vaine vs him and he will stay at tower not farming all lanig phase, take a teemo ...i actualy made a garen have 24 cc in 12 min vs a teemo (80cc) . I play in gold 3 and used to main him.

SageaceSep 9, 20151 votes

Listen, in all ways, Garen as been buffed. The real nerf is his early game. His late game is better. (why else is his win rates so high?)

I am still working my mind on Riot's rework. The only change Garen needed was his E, and it needs more tweaking. What's bothering me is.... why on earth... would they nerf his Q and W.... to buff his MOST POWERFUL ABILITY? His ultimate already did it's job quite well, and now they are making it EVEN MORE successful by implementing this Villain Mechanic so that I can use my Tier 2 ultimate on a Diana that has just below half HP.... just to ult her... and kill her...

Wtf.

The Base stats changes I am ok with. He only receives 200 less hp at level 18 compared to his original but he does have access to more Fighter Items that were implemented that easily compensate for this. His Q nerfs on his mobility are understandable due to Dreadnoughts and forcing Garens be extra careful on determining when to charge and when not to. The one change I am still pondering on is his Silence Duration nerf. His W stacking Armor and Magic Resist mechanic is actully a buff to his early and mid game, but it eventually becomes a nerf late game when you play him as a Fighter. The Stacking mechanic is a complete nerf overall to Tank Garens in general. But if we look more carefully on this (And yes, I have already talked to Riot about this while I was playing on the PBE, I got no response), champions that counter Garen will make it harder for Garen to farm, making his stacking mechanic a nerf overall period. Let's combine this... with losing his Tenacity upon activating his W. You feeling durable now? (I don't, but I will say this: One of the purposes for the stacking mechanic is to encourage players to build Health first. The other purpose is to encourage players to farm... (Apparently, they are not doing a good enough job in the tutorials to explain the importance of farming in the first place)). His E changes... was the ONLY CHANGE that Garen really needed, and it still needs more work. His R buffs..... why? Why why why why? I don't mind giving his ultimate true damage, but making his ultimate COMPLETELY true damage... omg. I have mentioned several times to just give his ultimate a partial amount of true damage and leave the rest as magical damage. I guess they wanted Garen cast his ultimate even more manly than before.

So overall... I'm shocked his win rates are so high. I'm even more shocked that his ban rates JUMPED from 0.12%.... to 18%. It's like his popularity was so low for so long that... nobody knows how to deal with a Garen. Wtf?

AgoraphobicSep 8, 20152 votes

Like most top laners, the juggernaut items have elevated them to a new status of power.

ImSoFullSep 9, 20151 votes

Auto losing lane because i didn't play Gnar isn't fun. But seriously, his early game isn't even weak... His q chunks you for 1/4 of your hp and you can't do shit because you're silence and you can't do anything because it's either miss the cs of pop a potion. Can't trade when you're silence cause you'll gain agro and minions will fuck you up. Imo, he's not broken, just too strong... And for such a no risk/skill high reward.

Devilreaper XIIISep 9, 20151 votes

garen is a newbie champ O.O its sad pros still play with it... wouldn't call them pros if they need garen .o. spin to win and true damage ult 50% hp gone..... while barely taking damage......

uhm win rates have nothing to do with champion viability though the win rates simply indicate a team comp win or lose O.O however garen is so newbish that its obvious how much of an impact it has :/

that was one major buff garen wasn't actually nerfed -.-