I don't even think she needs it, but don't touch her damage or her Charm Damage amplification. Her damage is low enough as is already and she wasn't even complained about when she got the amplification back.
Nerf her Charm duration at early levels if you have to nerf her at all.
saltran7 voteshttps://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Ahri/
She does need real nerfs.
Daddy Ants3 voteshttps://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Ahri/
She does need real nerfs.
She has 1 match up where she has a negative win rate.
But how often is Zilean played outside of the Support role?
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/290/942/c31.png
Nice champ Riot.
saltran1 votesJaja me gusta el icono de Willirex aunque no le vea demasiado.
Daddy Ants1 votesJaja me gusta el icono de Willirex aunque no le vea demasiado.
I'm not spanish.
Someone gave me the links to get the icons. XD
Death by Glamour2 votesseem like the ahri mains are downvoting you
[sg-miss-fortune]
LTK KoRo7 votesAhri main creates a thread about how Ahri is balanced in his opinion, that's really uncommon here.
Ahri deserve real nerfs for her safety, sweetie.
Noor Sakata7 votes[{quoted}](name=LTK KoRo,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3gYohEmx,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-08-19T10:47:41.042+0000)
Ahri main creates a thread about how Ahri is balanced in his opinion, that's really uncommon here.
Ahri deserve real nerfs for her safety, sweetie.
Safety ? 
and even 
is more safe than her
in bot lane we got 
in Top lane we got 
and 
if played well
and 
, his case is like Ahri , uses his Ultimate " his engage and most important ability in the kit " to run if needed
and 
W makes him safe a lot too with the HP sustain he gets from Q
Daddy Ants7 votesHow to balance Ahri in 10 seconds
Charm
Mana cost: 70 => 80
Charm Duration: 1.4 / 1.55 / 1.7 / 1.85 / 2 => 1.2 / 1.4 / 1.6 / 1.8 / 2
Partial revert of the 8.14 change but still a net buff over 8.13
No need to go messing with her ultimate, base damages or ratios on spells when the charm changes are what broke her.
wildfox992 votescompletely revert her CC duration but NOT the mana buff,her base mana pool is too low and 1 E Q W would leave her at <20% mana before this buff,also give her W +10% scaling as compensation
ok before you start to make rain downvotes i want to remind that before her E buff she were between 48% and 49% WR with a low playrate,for a low skillcap safe champ it's really low,considering she's almost balanced as she is now (she's on the edge for being nerfed) a little buff on her scalings won't hurt her at all (and with a complete revert of her E CC buff she'd need it)
also the logic of "if 1 sec was too weak but 1.4 too strong so 1.2 is balanced" doesn't work,this buff allowed her to do things that before she couldn't do (AA 2 times while her target is charmed,having her second Q hitting her target even if casted in a melee range,being able to run away without having them countertrading you and so on),1.2 sec isn't enough for doing those things so it's almost like having 1 sec,that's why i think the best thing is either keep it or doing a complete revert
Daddy Ants1 votescompletely revert her CC duration but NOT the mana buff,her base mana pool is too low and 1 E Q W would leave her at <20% mana before this buff,also give her W +10% scaling as compensation
ok before you start to make rain downvotes i want to remind that before her E buff she were between 48% and 49% WR with a low playrate,for a low skillcap safe champ it's really low,considering she's almost balanced as she is now (she's on the edge for being nerfed) a little buff on her scalings won't hurt her at all (and with a complete revert of her E CC buff she'd need it)
also the logic of "if 1 sec was too weak but 1.4 too strong so 1.2 is balanced" doesn't work,this buff allowed her to do things that before she couldn't do (AA 2 times while her target is charmed,having her second Q hitting her target even if casted in a melee range,being able to run away without having them countertrading you and so on),1.2 sec isn't enough for doing those things so it's almost like having 1 sec,that's why i think the best thing is either keep it or doing a complete revert
Still doesn't excuse a 53-54% win rate.
wildfox992 voteshttps://champion.gg/champion/Ahri/Middle?
52.84% wr,6.74% pick rate,0.78% bann rate
http://na.op.gg/champion/ahri/statistics/mid
52.67% wr 12% pick rate
that's only korea but let's be honest,if you collect the data from X players around the word or X players from a specific region you still have the same accuracy,koreans play the same game as we do (the only difference is that the average player may be better)
the only that says 54% is lolalytics but since it helps to circlejerk it's the right one doesn't it?
i mean,those sites are really inaccurate (i mean even the ones i used) and their data should't be taken that literally especially when win rate alone it's not enough for saying a champion is balanced or not
again not saying that ahri isn't strong atm,but boards are really exaggerating about her...especially when nobody said a word when she was literally trash tier for almost 1 year (after her R/W nerfs and before her mini rework),now she's good or a few patches and everyone goes crazy
Daddy Ants1 voteshttps://champion.gg/champion/Ahri/Middle?
52.84% wr,6.74% pick rate,0.78% bann rate
http://na.op.gg/champion/ahri/statistics/mid
52.67% wr 12% pick rate
that's only korea but let's be honest,if you collect the data from X players around the word or X player from a specific region you still have the same accuracy,koreans play the same game as we do (the only difference is that the average player may be better)
the only that says 54% is lolalytics but since it helps to circlejerk it's the right one doesn't it?
i mean,those sites are really inaccurate (i mean even the ones i used) and their data should't be takes that literally especially when win rate alone it's not enough for saying a champion is balanced or not
again not saying that ahri isn't strong atm,but boards are really exaggerating about her...especially when nobody said a word when she was literally trash tier for almost 1 year (after her R/W nerfs and before her mini rework),now she's good or a few patches and everyone goes crazy
Ever since Champion.gg started listing things like Leblanc and Xin Zhao as supports they have lost any credibility in my eyes.
Lolalytics is the best.
Infernape1 votesOr League of Graphs because it actually shows you detailed breakdowns from all regions.
Daddy Ants1 votesOr League of Graphs because it actually shows you detailed breakdowns from all regions.
Ahri Mains try to discredit Lolalytics because it actually shows their champ is broken.
Infernape1 votesSome of them will tell you she's weak even if she had a 60% win rate.
Hell I can remember a lot of people saying she's weak last year when her win rate hit 56% in all elos.
Ahri does need toning down regardless of what her mains say. She is statistically too strong.
Edit: Gotta love being downvoted by Ahri mains.
Daddy Ants1 votescompletely revert her CC duration but NOT the mana buff,her base mana pool is too low and 1 E Q W would leave her at <20% mana before this buff,also give her W +10% scaling as compensation
The whole point of a NERF is to power down the champion, not shift power.
wildfox991 votes10% scaling on her W is really far from being as strong as +40% CC duration on a lvl 1 ability,it's still a nerf but since removing this buff would put her in a bad place (she would get nerfed too hard) you give her a little buff as compensation,you still nerfed her but without gutting her kit
QmegaSquadVeigar5 votesLower the charm duration at all ranks, not just early.
DoktorKaiser3 votesOK leave her damage, remove 2 of her ultimate dashes. You can't be the most mobile and to do most damage. That is some next level of bullshit.
AHScoven6 votesSweety, there are about 10 more champions that have way more mobility and damage than ahri. Please shut the hell up.
DoktorKaiser2 votesAnd they can fuck right off too.
saltran1 votesDoes those champs have 54% winrate while also having literally the biggest midlane pickrate in the game.
Just wondering.
wildfox991 votesthe only site that give this number is lolalytics,others like champion.gg says 52.8% with 6.7% pick rate
that's why we don't have to take too seriously win rates,win rate alone don't make a champion balanced (it's only one of the factors) especially when the sources are that inaccurate (so not reliable)
not saying she's weak,she's pretty strong but not nerf worthy
Noor Sakata3 votesa Single nerf to her outside of reverting her latest buff will gut her I mean , sure , just revert that buff , Riot said they will buff mags in one of the threads here , so they buffed Ahri and forgot about the rest
