Why does Volibear's passive have to have a 2-minute cooldown all game long?

darkdill·Feb 26, 2018·2 votes·745 views

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I know Volibear is strong right now (see above), but let's just put aside his meta statistics for the moment.

When I look at Volibear's passive, I do find it to be strong, but the cooldown of it can be rather... unforgiving in late-game situations. 2 minutes in a late-game situation is a long time for him not being able to regenerate, especially when you look at how good Garen's is by that point. Early on, 2 minutes is totally fine, but late-game it leaves him with extended vulnerability.

If we get to a point where Volibear is a little weak, could a reduction to his passive's cooldown in late-game be considered?

10 Comments

The5lackerFeb 26, 20181 votes

Because he was designed ages ago and his passive is a mini Mundo Ult?

SangreDeNocheFeb 26, 20181 votes

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Because he was designed ages ago and his passive is a mini Mundo Ult?

Mini doesn't mean op. We have tahm, garen, and warwick that have passive abilities that do more.

The5lackerFeb 27, 20181 votes

Because apparently all passive abilities that relate to healing must all be measured on the same scale.

Volibear's Passive allows him to win trades he otherwise wouldn't be able to, on top of the strengths of the rest of his kit. Abilities cannot ever be considered in isolation. Rather than just going "BUT THE END OF GAME HEALING NUMBERS!" consider what Voli's passive actually allows him to do. It's a hefty self-heal on a bruiser with a number of tools that allow him to get into the middle of fights and stay there, and his passive is a part of that. This is an entirely different ability from Garen's or Tahm's, which are more about patching up after skirmishes as opposed to sustaining within, and it's very different from Warwick's sustain which is dependent on him dealing damage, which can be stopped. It's, again, a mini Mundo Ult, granting Volibear unconditional high sustain whether he's in the middle of a fight or leaving it, allowing him to survive in places he should otherwise die. It's not an ability that should have any higher of an uptime than it currently does, and it's probably the most frustrating part of his kit, especially given the lack of communication to opponents about its status.

KoKobotoFeb 26, 20181 votes

Later on it also basically has 50% effectiveness because people are gonna have grevious wounds.

TyroneWatermelonFeb 26, 20181 votes

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Later on it also basically has 50% effectiveness because people are gonna have grevious wounds.

65% effectiveness

Fear the KaynFeb 26, 20181 votes

Should be longer early, and shorter late. Maybe 3 minutes early 1 minute late?

RexxieeFeb 26, 20181 votes

volibear needs nerfs right now, not buffs.

darkdillFeb 26, 20181 votes

I know, but that's not relevant to this thought. If we wanted to balance it out, we could increase the early cooldown of his passive to, say, 3 minutes, but let it go down to 1 minute in late-game.

KoKobotoFeb 26, 20181 votes

[sg-miss-fortune]