http://champion.gg/champion/Vayne/ADC Why does she also have a sky-rocketing win rate?
If Riven had that kind of win rate the community would have crashed the boards by now.
Does anybody enjoy playing against this champion? Anybody?
PhDs Nuts18 votesVayne's winrate is rising because the crit build removes a lot of the skill cap that you needed for the DPS build.
Unstoppable Monk14 votesVayne is high skill cap, because its extremely hard mechanically not to tumble into the enemy tank's melee range if you're a Vayne main.
Starcraft243ver5 votesThe famous "vayne tumble in to engage".
Hellen Keller3 votesYou see, this can be explained with modern physics. The Tank represents the center of a black hole - a nearby Vayne simply cannot stop herself from tumbling into the event horizon (the tank's melee range). Other champions can stay out of this gravity well for one reason and one reason alone. The way they stand. You see, vayne's stance is tilted
Chalizard7 votesNo her skill cap is not high and Yes she is broken. Her skill cap could be high if she was dps dealer, now her dps is only addition to her burst with one of the hardest combos in game R>Q>aa.
Mira Arya Enthe12 votesWell, I should have said she is 'suppose' to be one of the highest skill cap champions.
Chalizard3 votesGood Point, anyway I agree with your thread
Vesemir5 votesVaynes skillcap is maybe a little bit higher than Garen. What skill cap are you talking about. She has no counterplay and deals BS dmg with 2 items.
Supreme Senpai692 votesI'd say it's more like Aurelion Sol, where positioning is everything. That's how it used to be. Now it doesn't matter as much
TyroneWatermelon6 votesVayne is not a high skillcap champ and nevertheless was. She is a regular most unoriginal marksman that fully depends on right clicks
Depárt5 votesAnother person on the boards that oversimplifies the role to right clicks, if it was that simple there wouldn't be such a skill difference between adcs throughout the tiers.
MunchCrunchLunch4 votesbut the boards is crashing it. for good reasons. but too many threads. am one of the criminals that spams vayne threads too.
Dasdi963 votesThe reason for the increasing winrate is because rito removed the only counterplay to her ultimate.
Silverjust2 votesand the scaling increase on her Q from 50%AD to 70%AD
Depárt2 votesThat buff didn't help her that much, it was the stealth changes and meta shift.
Silverjust1 votesI think the problem is her 2 Item powerspike Vayne was a lategame tankshredder and should be
Junkο1 votesIt has been a tank meta since forever now, there is no way a meta shift affected her winrate this much.
Also with an IE crit, the Q dmg increased her damage from 125% to 175% which is quite big.
Tribbles Foxfolk3 votes[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3WXAwxKE,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-11-17T08:48:22.592+0000)
http://champion.gg/champion/Vayne/ADC Why does she also have a sky-rocketing win rate?
If Riven had that kind of win rate the community would have crashed the boards by now.
Does anybody enjoy playing against this champion? Anybody?
Actually, yes. If I play a champ like Sona, Naut, Leo, etc, I want to see the enemy try and pick Vayne into me. One good all-in is all it takes for that Vayne to tilt and go 0/4 in 10 minutes. And if your ADC isn't braindead, they'll be up 1200+ gold to that Vayne.
But I am sick of seeing her sometimes because of how safe she is and how good her early game is. (I should know, she's one of my top 5 champions) At level 3, she can easily Flash-E you into a wall and get a free kill if she isn't stupid.
By the way, no, Vayne isn't actually THAT high of a skill cap. She mainly uses basic mechanics like positioning that you need to have refined to an Nth degree.
Junkο1 votesThe problem is that Vayne is supposed to have a shit laning phase, not a good one.
Also she has high skill cap in the sense that she has a lot more options than most other champions in the game so seeing a noob Vayne and a great Vayne is a huge difference because they will make really different decisions based on their experience. She also requires high APM and low ping, or at least she used to require the former before the new build.
Dengeden3 votesThere are countless QQ threads that all ignore her weaknesses. I don't know what more you could want.
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesWin rate for players with 1-5 games played is 51.3% still... on first game people still are easily rocking her.
Dengeden1 votesIn other words, it's easier to play badly against Vayne than to play her badly.
Apocalypsic2 votesKeep it on DL but Riven is sporting around a 52% (51.55) Win Rate right now!
As a Riven main, I completely blame Courage of the Colossus for that.
Junkο2 votesRiven has like less than half the playrate and 50 more games on average though, so it makes more sense. She also has a below 50% winrate (and a very terrible one at that) when played by noobs. Even at 1-5 games Vayne's winrate is above 50%, which is insane.
Vesemir1 votesRiven is one of the most mechanically difficult champs in the game though.
Apocalypsic1 votesNot disagreeing with you, but wouldn't that lead to her having a sub optimal win rate?
I think she's incredibly balanced right now, colossus is just broken and abusable on pretty much all the top laners.
Vesemir1 votesi think they are nerfing colossus no?
PermabannedGaren2 votes[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3WXAwxKE,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-11-17T08:48:22.592+0000)
http://champion.gg/champion/Vayne/ADC Why does she also have a sky-rocketing win rate?
If Riven had that kind of win rate the community would have crashed the boards by now.
Does anybody enjoy playing against this champion? Anybody?
Why are you people not smart enough to read basic statistics?
She also has one of the most experienced playerbases of any ADC (I'm going to assume the most experienced is Draven). Over a fifth of her playerbase consists of people with over 125 games on her.
With that said, yeah, she is probably too strong at the moment, but not nearly as strong as Twitch.
Silverjust1 votesbut she is just anoying with her new build
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesWin rate for players with 1-5 games played is 51.3% still... on first game people still are easily rocking her.
PermabannedGaren1 votes[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=3WXAwxKE,comment-id=000d0002,timestamp=2016-11-19T01:21:33.757+0000)
Win rate for players with 1-5 games played is 51.3% still... on first game people still are easily rocking her.
Now you're using your head.
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesAlways was. Most people don't care for the 'per games played' stats.
MetalGearTeemu2 votesThe best trick riot ever pulled was convincing people that having champions with literal mountains of outplay tools made them somehow more difficult.
Like what? you worried the player is going to freeze up when they consider which of their 4 options they can use to get out of situation?
NastyMcOutplay2 votesvayne is not a high skill cap champion
TyrekGoldenspear1 votesMy guess is the reason is two fold.
Her recent buffs has caused all the really good vayne players ro pick her up again so they crush people amd make it look easy.
Seeing Vayne now causes instatilt among the enemy.
Personally I am quite neutral towards Vayne. I have stomped her ans have been stomped.
Her Q buffs were probably too much but as a champ she seems fine to me.
Junkο4 votes.3. There is no longer any counterplay to her RQ making her invisible which she was balanced around before.
Dengeden2 votesUsing her invisibility to any effect was and is immensely hard.
Silverjust3 votesoneshoting out of stealth with her new build?
Junkο3 votesAh yes stealthing, then waiting for your opponent to play a guessing game and then going into the opposite direction they went and then AA'ing for a 2k damage crit is so hard.
Dengeden2 votesTumble range is pathetic and 99% of the time she tumbled towards you or away from you depending on if she was winning.
Junkο2 votesYou do realize that a majority of the champions that can kill her have to get into her range right? At that point Tumble range becomes irrelevant, she just needs to Tumble, AA, Crit and you die.
TyrekGoldenspear2 votesQ is the tumble right?
Ralanr1 votesYes.
Axests1 votesvayne is rising in the meta because
Mira Arya Enthe1 votesOr because her win rate jumped up directly followed three large buffs to her...(including the stealth changes)
GoronMuncherV3 votesPeople always seem to forget the multiple vayne buffs we've have over the last year or less.
