I think it would be cool if a new champion is given a damage type that deals bonus damage to shields

Theorchero·Sep 21, 2016·44 votes·8,470 views

You have no idea how many times I had to retype that title to get it to fit. Gottem doe.

Anyway, I think that the idea of someone who "breaks enemy lines" or breaks shields or someone's guard would be really cool.

Think of like a poppy/sion type of juggernaut that has an ability (I always imagine it like Olaf's E, for some reason (his E is his true damage)) that deals bonus damage to shields. You could balance it around that the bonus damage only applies to shields, and then it deals other damage or some other subsidiary effect.

Would be really cool way to counterpick champs that just give their ADC a huge shield (Lulu, Janna) apart from giving a champion a kind of Dispel, which would be totally broken in current league.

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RiotAD YuumiSep 22, 201651 votes

This is an interesting concept. I wonder how we'd sell it in terms of clarity (so you know it's happening).

Side note: Wouldn't it be cool if Cho'Gath's ult just IGNORED SHIELDS. Like he just EATS YOU and you're in his belly and you die. Kayle ult? NOPE YOU'RE EATEN. (this is probably not a good idea)

NineTailedMysticSep 22, 201624 votes

plsno

Hello I am BirdSep 22, 201611 votes

plshalp

RebonackSep 22, 20161 votes

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This is an interesting concept. I wonder how we'd sell it in terms of clarity (so you know it's happening).

Side note: Wouldn't it be cool if Cho'Gath's ult just IGNORED SHIELDS. Like he just EATS YOU and you're in his belly and you die. Kayle ult? NOPE YOU'RE EATEN. (this is probably not a good idea)

Nah, I would say the game could use an Axe-style Ult that kills the target when they're below a certain threshold regardless of what sorts of defensive abilities they have active. That would be a hard-counter, though. And it seems like you guys aren't really keen on champion-specific hard counters.

Busty DemonessSep 22, 20161 votes

inb4 Darius ult changed to automatically execute you when you're below X hp, threshold increased by bleed stacks.

Electro522Sep 22, 20161 votes

Well.....it is called Noxian Guillotine, so.......

ReZisT LustSep 22, 20162 votes

Well kingler learns guilatinne and he misses alot

TheorcheroSep 22, 20162 votes

{quoted}

This is an interesting concept. I wonder how we'd sell it in terms of clarity (so you know it's happening).

Side note: Wouldn't it be cool if Cho'Gath's ult just IGNORED SHIELDS. Like he just EATS YOU and you're in his belly and you die. Kayle ult? NOPE YOU'RE EATEN. (this is probably not a good idea)

@CHICKENWRAP

MagmaDragon12Sep 22, 20166 votes

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Wouldn't it be cool if Cho'Gath's ult just IGNORED SHIELDS. Like he just EATS YOU and you're in his belly and you die. Kayle ult? NOPE YOU'RE EATEN. (this is probably not a good idea)

Yes it would be VERY cool >:) goes to game and pretends to not have cho as his highest mastery

chipndip1Sep 22, 20161 votes

Or have a support champ that counters enchanters/enchantresses by playing off their shields. Like temporarily bypassing them or straight neutralizing them.

My Waifu VanillaSep 22, 20161 votes

Perhaps "half stealing" them could also work where you basically take half of a shield off and use it for yourself. Like some sort of Spellthief.

2nd ChanceSep 22, 201615 votes

{quoted}

This is an interesting concept. I wonder how we'd sell it in terms of clarity (so you know it's happening).

Side note: Wouldn't it be cool if Cho'Gath's ult just IGNORED SHIELDS. Like he just EATS YOU and you're in his belly and you die. Kayle ult? NOPE YOU'RE EATEN. (this is probably not a good idea)

DO IT!

Nerf how much damage it does so it's more balanced that way,

BUT PLEASE DO IT!

I WANT THAT TRYNDAMERE HARD COUNTER!

ReZisT LustSep 22, 20162 votes

That awkward moment when tryn has no shield and you realize it too late

Auz the RipperSep 22, 20167 votes

You're not a big fan of actually following conversations are you?

ReZisT LustSep 22, 20161 votes

"I want that tryndamere hard counter!" "Wouldn't it be cool if Cho'Gath's ult just IGNORED SHIELDS. Like he just EATS YOU and you're in his belly and you die. Kayle ult? NOPE YOU'RE EATEN." The convo above me

Auz the RipperSep 22, 20164 votes

the fact it would ignore kayle's ult means it probably would also ignore tryndamere's ult. that's what the guy was referring to.

kile147Sep 22, 201610 votes

So you eat him, but he still can't die... Tryn then proceeds to cut his way out of Cho.

DecritSep 22, 20161 votes

He is hard to digest aniway

NebuulSep 22, 20163 votes

TahmKench

KingWanahakalugiSep 22, 20161 votes

I agree with you. Giving Cho this power would make him a niche pick against teams with multiple invulnerability spells. I wouldn't suggest allowing him to target untargetable creatures though. Ignoring shields and invulnerability would be a unique and awesome aspect.

InTheorySep 22, 20163 votes

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5000000000000000Sep 22, 20161 votes

iirc, shields are not considered for %max health or %missing health damage.

My Waifu VanillaSep 22, 20161 votes

I believe this is also correct so if you are at like 1% health and have like 75% of your health in shields, a Jhin 4th shot on ult will PROBABLY still kill you.

NightmareAmazoXSep 22, 20162 votes

Welp. It'd be cool but naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah no thanks.

Kog And BallsSep 22, 20161 votes

This would have to work similar to Axe's Culling Blade no? It would do flat damage unless the targets health was under the threshold to execute ignoring shields, and immunities.

I would honestly not hate this, but maybe not on Chogath seems like something you should explore in the next ax wielding Noxian champion or Urgot.

WheatloafSep 22, 20162 votes

It would be real jank, but what if a game mode that rotated in every once in a while was just Rioters throwing 2-3 questionable design choices like this onto EVERY champion? Like one massive experimental orgy? At internal playtest-level quality, of course.

doombotMECHASep 22, 20161 votes

that'd be fun only a few times but it'd be fun if you cared to read the notes

PennsSep 22, 20161 votes

Only if Fizz ult does the same ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

My Waifu VanillaSep 22, 20161 votes

Probably not Kayle ult but bypassing things like Karma's giant Mantra E would be pretty interesting (make it so it does straight up "health" damage unless they are invulnerable/stasis/whatever).

l Helios lSep 22, 20161 votes

Chogath
"Terror of the Void" I think that would make him very terrifying.

TahmKench ExpertSep 22, 20161 votes

TahmKench

Wild Wild SmithSep 22, 20161 votes

So making it similar to Axe's ult in dota, where if they are below the threshold it's a scripted effect to kill no matter what? I'd like that.

UnworldlyAsgardSep 22, 20161 votes

You animal

La BarbotteSep 22, 20161 votes

please, whatever you do, never ever do that, ever.

ps : NEVER, PLZ

KingWanahakalugiSep 22, 20161 votes

I would accept this in exchange for the W changes on the PBE right now.

doombotMECHASep 22, 20161 votes

FOUNTAIN MAW

Troll for TrumpSep 22, 20161 votes

What about something like Illidan's "blackflip" in Heroes of the Storm?

DorsalChickenSep 22, 20161 votes

Oh man as a Cho'gath main you have no idea how much I would love this. To BYPASS immunity and eat that kayle/trynd or whatever when they are trying to live. Like man I would give up the silence just to have that AND I LOVE THE SILENCE. I can't tell you how many times I have missed a feast because of a last second shield on somebody.

FallenSeruvimSep 23, 20161 votes

I actually like the Cho suggestion. Would increase his niche selection decision. He doesn't see much of any "meta" play at all.

AptestSep 23, 20161 votes

This idea has about the same level of usefullness as a long, hard C that resets if the projectile resets as a result of shield wall / untargetability frames.

correction: hard CC that is not expanded when the skill that carries it fizzles is used in LOL, does servea purpose in LOL and actually is balancable.

more of that pls? I need all them "assassin" players to cry havoc.

NymzoSep 22, 201611 votes

Aka, no fun allowed for almost all the mages supports.

NuparuSep 22, 20166 votes

It'd be a shame if a particular mage support who has a teamwide steroided locket-talisman combo on one combo button is meta...

Penguin EclipseSep 22, 20163 votes

This would create an unnecessary weakness for shields. Unlike heals, shields are not permanent. They are supposed to protect their target. This would defeat their purpose.

Also Janna does not give her ADC a huge shield.

TheorcheroSep 22, 20167 votes

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This would create an unnecessary weakness for shields. Unlike heals, shields are not permanent. They are supposed to protect their target. This would defeat their purpose.

Also Janna does not give her ADC a huge shield.

https://i.gyazo.com/d2b725f96d38da9f3925c8b81a352361.png

Penguin EclipseSep 22, 20162 votes

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https://i.gyazo.com/d2b725f96d38da9f3925c8b81a352361.png

Your point? Those are pretty weak numbers without AP which she typically doesn't build except on 1-2 items. A single AA or mage ability will break a Janna shield mid-late game.

TheorcheroSep 22, 20164 votes

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Your point? Those are pretty weak numbers without AP which she typically doesn't build except on 1-2 items. A single AA or mage ability will break a Janna shield mid-late game.

item 3041 item 3504 item 2301

Penguin EclipseSep 22, 20161 votes

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In low elo maybe. In high elo that is total troll. Her current meta build is Ardent + Zeke's or FQ/Eye. 2 AP items.

TheorcheroSep 22, 20168 votes

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In low elo maybe. In high elo that is total troll. Her current meta build is Ardent + Zeke's or FQ/Eye. 2 AP items.

Sightstone with Ardent isn't unreasonable at all, and if Janna is ahead and knows what she is doing, a Mejais can be really powerful.

Auz the RipperSep 22, 20161 votes

i swear she's the only champion i commonly see build mejai's

My Waifu VanillaSep 22, 20161 votes

Lux to an extent can also keep stacks very easily due to her naturally long range and safety (can CC most people that want to mess with her and has a big shield as well).