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No matter where, I am a glorified support

Pommel Knight··10 votes·612 views

Doesn't matter if I'm top, jungle or mid my main purpose is to get the adc fed and keep them safe.

  • Top:
  • Yorick? Wall off the enemy jungler when they go for adc and cc them.
  • Garen? Silence the engager or opposing adc and ult when the adc gets them low, but remember that you are squishy to the adc so be careful.
  • Nasus? Wither the adc and reduce armor with e so the adc can do more dmg. Deal some dmg in between but not to the adc, they can just kite you and you get pealed by everyone.
  • Teemo? Q the adc and shroom the fuck out of the jungle so they get chunked by Liandries. You are somewhat suefull as an adc killer with stealth if they go solo.
  • Mid:
  • Fizz? Roam bot and get the adc fed, focus support late game (Because you can't kill the adc).
  • Ekko? Same as Fizz, but you can also poke the front line and do a team stun setup.
  • Ziggs? You are useful with him, but you are way more vulnerable than the adc and do a lot less dmg. (Or any other mage that doesn't have a bullshit "skill" button)
  • Zed? Mid game you are good to go, after that hope that you can find someone alone or ult the support.
  • Jungle:
  • Kayne? If you aren't fed and winning just wait for Rhast. You can at least fight the front line.
  • Jax? Mid game you are the beast, late game you are ok, but you get easily kited and are better at fighting the front line.
  • Nunu? YOU ARE a support to your adc. You buff them, peel, build support items and are there to camp them and get objectives.

Yea I know this has become a circlejerk, but these are things that I've noticed in Diamond. I have to build support items on almost every toplaner and cannot carry a game under any circumstances as a solo carry. If I have to carry that means their bot is fed, and I can't get to their adc. So I am forced to either try to get my adc fed enough to do enough dmg to the front line to let us win, or split push whenever I can and outplay the adc by building 300+ armor and still dying in 5-6 sec of concentrated fire form the adc. Not to mention that I have to build support items so I can be useful.

As for mid, well If I can't just do retarded amount of long range aoe dps then I am not a carry. Most assassins are focused on winning lane , or going even at least, then going bot and helping our adc. Mid game we are somewhat good then late game we are hit or miss. We either do something, or we can just stand and watch the team-fight. You can't even kill the adc anymore, you ult, hit every ability right and do a perfect execution... Lol nope, the support clicked some buttons and the adc now has 2x their hp in shield on top of the dmg reduction item 3109 item 3046 item 3812 and lifesteal.

Jungle is similar to top, but now I need to camp bot for those dragons, fb tower and to keep our adc safe against the other jungler. Tank items don't help if you aren't Rammus or Sejuani.

Adc's are doing too much dmg while being too protected and buffed. I mean ffs Janna with item 3504 and masteries is giving the adc over to 2k stats with 1 spamable point and click ability. There needs to be some change, I don't know what kind but adc's need to have counterplay.

Sorry for the rant and I wasn't trying to circlejerk, just getting frustrated with some of my observations.

11 Comments

nGio8 votes

My job as a tank vs the opposing adc http://i.imgur.com/MowP6j0.gif[/img]

DariusDemiurge3 votes

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My job as a tank vs the opposing adc http://i.imgur.com/MowP6j0.gif[/img]

Fucking kalista and rend....I swear.

Chief Mayonnaise2 votes

Well here's what I have to ask. What do you want half of the champions you listed to do?

Garen goes in, probably tries to go ham on the villain, and cause general mayhem using his e. That's exactly what he does right now. Nasus, same thing or splitplush. Not sure about Yorick, but as far as I was aware, hes a splitpusher? Teemo...yea i still can't tell what Teemo even does other than be a general nuisance with his traps. And he has a blind. ADCs are going to be his natural target. Blinding a mage or tank is just silly.

Assassin play pattern makes sense. Snowball the shit out of the game. And if you're not snowballing the rest of the team, you're not sharing the gold and the enemy team just has to kill you once to take most of the poer out of your team. Assassins are really there to start snowballs and end the game before late game. Then after that, they look for openings to exploit. If the enemy has a bunch of shields, they counter picked you.

Ziggs is not more vulnerable than an adc. He has range that he should be using. Although I agree he could probably use some changes.

Jax scales into late game and does his engage thing.

5-6 seconds of concentrated fire from the adc is a LOT of damage that isn't going to your team. Isn't that exactly what tanks are supposed to do, to tank damage?

Properly applied burst is still very strong. Mages still provide fantastic cc.

What I don't get again, is what you want as an alternative. Do you just want assassins going around killing everybody instead of actually thinking about their team and getting them fed as well? Do you just want to instantly gib anybody within 1000 range of you as a mage, while having the cc to lock somebody down who can try to kill you? Do you want to just walk past whatveer frontline the enmy has and just mault on the adc while they can't do anything as a tank?

Pommel Knight3 votes

I want to be an actual player in this game and brawl with the appropriate class.

Garen is supposed to be a semy tanky champion that deals good aoe dmg and singles out 1 target to annihilate them. I'm not a tank or a support, Garen is a juggernaut and is supossed to be an imobile high dmg carry.

But I can't go in and do that, I have to be either sneeky or go out in 3 sec because the adc does too much dmg to me despite my w and armor.

Nasus should be the ultimate juggernaut carry and team fight monster. Yet I am there more for my utility than carry potential.

While Yorick is a splitpusher by heart, he is also the best at getting objwctives fast and should be good at out of lane team fights. He can do a lot of dmg with 4 ghouls and ult to any single target, but like every other melee carry he can't survive long enough to acomplish his goal, even with only 1 dmg item.

Teemo is really strategic in lane and later so it's a bit harder to explain. But he ahould be anti adc while doing a lot of aoe dmg with shrooms. But with the supporta now he can't do shit.

As for assassins, I'd like to be able to assassinate someone. Why is it that my dmg takes 3-4 sec to fully do the rotations. While the adc doesnt have to do any aiming or anyting highly skilful to fight back. All the while having a stat stick applier next to them. Shorten the dealy for assassins and let us do aour job, kill the squishies and run fron tanky champions.

Chief Mayonnaise1 votes

Garne has to wait for an opening. Makes sense. If he goes in 1v5 by himself, he should get clapped. If the adc is able to focus on you and kill you in 3 seconds, you're not building enough defense, or you're not tanking just the adc. Nobody shiuld be able to just waltz right through an entire enemy team and single handedly kill a backliner. At least, by themselves.

With how he functions now, Nasus can't have a strong teamfight because he is also a splitpushing monster. You can't have both of those. Imagine tryndamere being able to teamfight as well.

Yorick kinda isn't a natural teamfighter because he needs to set up ghouls with his q. You have to use your ult to get any ghouls out in a snap, so he just a natural teamfighter. Maybe if you catch somebody alone, he can do that. But that's not a teamfight. Singler target damage is not a teamfight strength, it's a skirmish/dueling strength. Again, you can't be both a fantastic splitpusher and a good teamfighter.

EDIT: If your assassin burst pattern takes 3-4 seconds, you're doing something wrong. And again, shields are there to counter burst. That's the entire purpose of shields. If they didn't do that, they'd be useless. Assassins shouldn't be picked into teams that have 2+ tanks and a shield support. However, they do well against teams that lack a strong frontline/ tanky champions.

Zero Shingetsu1 votes

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I want to be an actual player in this game and brawl with the appropriate class.

Garen is supposed to be a semy tanky champion that deals good aoe dmg and singles out 1 target to annihilate them. I'm not a tank or a support, Garen is a juggernaut and is supossed to be an imobile high dmg carry.

But I can't go in and do that, I have to be either sneeky or go out in 3 sec because the adc does too much dmg to me despite my w and armor.

Nasus should be the ultimate juggernaut carry and team fight monster. Yet I am there more for my utility than carry potential.

While Yorick is a splitpusher by heart, he is also the best at getting objwctives fast and should be good at out of lane team fights. He can do a lot of dmg with 4 ghouls and ult to any single target, but like every other melee carry he can't survive long enough to acomplish his goal, even with only 1 dmg item.

Teemo is really strategic in lane and later so it's a bit harder to explain. But he ahould be anti adc while doing a lot of aoe dmg with shrooms. But with the supporta now he can't do shit.

As for assassins, I'd like to be able to assassinate someone. Why is it that my dmg takes 3-4 sec to fully do the rotations. While the adc doesnt have to do any aiming or anyting highly skilful to fight back. All the while having a stat stick applier next to them. Shorten the dealy for assassins and let us do aour job, kill the squishies and run fron tanky champions.

Easy fix for Nasus: Pure health, pure AP. Run into the middle of the fight, ult, and watch your enemies' health waste away to nothing.

Takazaki1 votes

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Easy fix for Nasus: Pure health, pure AP. Run into the middle of the fight, ult, and watch your enemies' health waste away to nothing.

and yours as well

Zero Shingetsu1 votes

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and yours as well

Spell vamp and hourglass and you're golden.

Zero Shingetsu1 votes

This describes me too. I'm naturally good at making my team look better. Not so good and looking good myself.

Also it's not technically a circlejerk if there's no circle, so you're fine.

ganggoink1 votes

You realize that's what the game has always been? At a certain part of the game both teams had 4 supports and one adc.

EternalSmiley1 votes

Nah not a circle jerk if at most, it would be a Triangle Jerk. The number of roles you played brought to mind the number 3 and the 3 corners of a Triangle. lol

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