My issue with Frozen Heart

XIII Vanitas··1 votes·406 views

I used to really like item 3110 back in S5, when I was playing a lot of Juggernaut Sejuani. It gave her what she needed: a lot of armor, mana and cdr and a passive aura that helped her survive for longer while in the middle of the enemy team. item 3025 passive and item 3143 active were overkill cause of the permaslow from her E, so I built it almost every single time as my second item.

Nowadays instead I rarely buy it on any tank, because it feels like there are better options for everything. Do I need more survivability when I dive into the enemy team? item 3193 Do I need to protect my carries from harm? item 3109 item 3190 [yes, Locket existed also back then, but its shield was weaker and it also didn't scale with the bonus hp of the user, which synergizes an awful lot with Cinderhulk] Even when I'm playing a support tank I feel like I'm contributing to the team in a more impactful way if I build instead items like item 3050 (for AoE slows and some damage) or item 3107 (for a team-wide heal and some extra damage).

So, if its utility is less valuable and/or harder to appreciate, what's the point of item 3110? item 3025 gives me almost the same stats and a palpable AoE slow that helps me stick to my target, while both item 3143 and item 3075 work better as straight-up defensive items against champions that rely on their aa.


TL;DR: building Frozen Heart doesn't feel good anymore because there are plenty more utility items with more impactful effects and defensive items with overlapping stats.

11 Comments

Alex h87211 votes

Yeah the lack of health on it really makes item 3110 feel bad to build, on any tank or offtank you are getting a TON more durability with almost any HP/armor item item 3075 item 3742 item 3143 or hell even item 3800 if youre that set on getting some CDR w/ your armor and hp

XIII Vanitas1 votes

I completely agree. On top of that, tank junglers are also effectively forced to itemize around Cinderhulk's passive due to how gold inefficient the item would otherwise be (in fact Sejuani's best second item is now item 3083).

NorthTurtle111 votes

i kinda have the reverse opinion in that i find frozen to be a great item and don't ever buy iceborn unless i feel like my team is ganna need more damage then a straight up tank but even then i find sterak's gage or abyssal mask to be a better option in teams of doing extra damage. And when the enemy team is vary aa reliant i grab thorns and frozen cause the attack speed slows from the two stack. where as the only really item synergy i see iceborn having is with sunfire because of the amount of free damage you get from the two.

XIII Vanitas1 votes

What champions do you play?

NorthTurtle111 votes

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What champions do you play?

mainly sion and what ever else i feel like at the moment

XIII Vanitas1 votes

Well, of course you don't buy IBG on Sion, he already has so much cc that he hardly needs another slow.

Selegun1 votes

It gives a bunch of hidden interactions if you are willing to experiment.

Transcendence gives you 40 AP once you crest 30% then buy the Frozen Heart.

The aura counts as a slow. This triggers Liandries Torment for double burn.

It all comes down to how creative you are willing to get when using the item. Take your time, it's not going anywhere for a while.

XIII Vanitas1 votes

1- The one with Trascendence isn't an hidden interaction, it's simply how the rune is supposed to work. 2- Hidden interactions aren't good for the game, because hidden power is by definition hard to read and/or understand for players.

Selegun1 votes

So you are comfortable arguing why you don't want Frozen Heart to work?

XIII Vanitas1 votes

I'm sorry, but I don't understand your question. What are you referring to?

Selegun1 votes

Your response doesn't seem overly interested in finding ways to use Frozen Heart. If this is not the case you will have to forgive me.

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