If Dark harvest gets nerfed and Graves gets a compensation buff....

That doesnt take any damage and has the fastest clear in the game? We will see if it matters for him lol.

Imagine what 4 base Armor was like

It's more than just 3 base AD when you think about it. Remember his auto attacks are shotgun blasts whose pellets each do their own damage. He's actually losing up to around 8 damage per auto at level 1, depending on how many pellets he actually hits on a single target.

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Still a nerf, or do you want to just gutt champions instead of balancing them? Also AD on Graves auto attacks is calculated seperetly, each pellet does damage based on his total AD, so -3 early will have an impact, even if not a big one.

JG Graves still gets to benefit from all the upsides of his "low range gimmick" - 425 range, 75 less than lucian and 100 less than kaisa - like ridiculous early-game damage, tankyness, mobility, and one of the most oppressive cc's in the game (yes, that smokescreen) without any of the negatives that come with playing Graves in a lane, which is what he was balanced around (minionblocked autos make for a weaker earlygame, but his strong scaling hp, ad, armor, mr, and att/reload speed allow him to automatically make up for this weakness as the game progresses)

Compared to Graves, the premier adc (and so far, only intentional adc jungler in the game, who relies on a risky gimmick that dosen't correct itself as the game progresses) Kindred has to trudge through a weaker early-game while being extremely susceptible to invades all-the-while having to invade the enemy jungle in order to scale properly as an adc due to her gimmick (because otherwise she's a less mobile lucian with the same range but with less burst and ability to impact teamfights due to the difference in their ults).

A quick check at grave's stats reveal that he's the alpha male of the adc family with higher base stats barring range in every category compared to any other adc (except jhin, who's ad/lvl leaves graves in the dust) so giving him such ridiculous earlygame and lategame stats to compensate for his short range would make sense, if he was in his properly assigned role, but instead, anybody with a brain can see that the jungle is a free ticket out of the actual challenging botlane, and take him to the jungle, where he currently outperforms a designated jungle champion who shares the adc role with him and sits at the 10th spot of winrates in the jungle meta, with a 51.44% winrate (plat+), compared to Kindred's arguably more balanced 50.36%. So I have to ask, when is league's premier jungle golden boy gonna start being assessed as a jungler rather than as an adc. When is he going to have to get power trimmed from him because of his ridiculous earlygame safety and lategame safety-net?

We've seen time and time again that consistency is the most important part of a champion's kit, and the current Graves, even when underperforming or being used by less unskilled players (bronze, silver, gold, and plat) still sees a higher winrate than he does at higher elo's, so we know that not only is he not mechanically complex, but also that he can thrive at almost all levels of play (because he still has an above-average winrate %)

I don't follow lcs/worlds or what-have-you competitive scenes, so I don't know if he's used there, but even if he were/not it wouldn't matter because I'm tired of people comparing pro play with regular league of legends.

So when you say "do you want to just gutt champions instead of balancing them" I say if he's so obviously strong right now, then we need to do a little more than 3 ad. In fact, I think that's the wrong way to go about changing Graves, because personally I thing his damage isnt the problem, but rather how safe and quick his jungling is, and how ridiculously good he is at skirmishing and invading, despite having his above-average stat-growth and being an adc, a position which already scales very well into the lategame.

By the way, a quick check of your acc in op.gg shows you're a Graves main, so it's easy to see why you're defending his current state, but it's interesting that you almost always if not always play him in the botlane, with a whopping 64% winrate in ranked at that, so kudos for that, but it only serves to show how strong he is even when not in his dominant role.

Simply put, Graves is obviously overtuned, and a couple of weeks from now we're gonna see that -3 ad isn't going to significantly affect that winrate. Meanwhile, jungle diversity can stay dead as far as rito is concerned, because when superior picks like Graves show up, why bother suffering through the frustration of actually using skill to beat your opponents when you can have champ select win the game for you.

No tl;dr. It's mostly a rant, so don't bother reading it if you're not interested.

Yeah thats just a blatant baseless comment. Theres no data anywhere to confirm nor deny his statement, but it sounds heavily opinionated due to the way he refers to the players who enjoy ranked.