when the jungler dosent campp you but the other jungler does,

letsfeedtogether·Apr 10, 2019·15 votes·8,331 views

its YOUR fault you die, not the jungler. when you push all game when you get camped. ITS YOUR FAULT ty.

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Soul DealerApr 10, 20199 votes

Yes it my fault I’m getting camped and getting tower dived by a vi and Darius. Cause I can’t totally do something about to tanky as hell champs tower diving me.

letsfeedtogetherApr 10, 20195 votes

well yes. it is. if you know they will dive you go back

Soul DealerApr 10, 20198 votes

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well yes. it is. if you know they will dive you go back

I’m not just gonna abandon my turret when I’m at full health. If they dive me my turret should actually be able to do something instead of tickling them. Or better yet my jungler should be there helping me. I play a lot of jungle and I win a lot, I win becaus I make sure all my lanes get ahead and get help even if they are getting camped. I make sure the enemy jungler has no presence in the game. If one of my lanes is getting camped I will be there to help them even if they are pushed up. Jungle is the least selfish role in the game besides support, you need to help everyone and realize that you can’t just go do your own thing. That why people hate master yi jungle, he never comes out of it and just power farms. Junglers need to have a balance between farming and ganking to succeed, you should not be camping someone but you should also not just be power farming jungle.

letsfeedtogetherApr 10, 20193 votes

a better logic - if they dive and you you die you give them your and your turret gold

btw. a good jungler wont just put the lanes ahead. he will play around the win condition

Soul DealerApr 10, 20198 votes

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a better logic - if they dive and you you die you give them your and your turret gold

btw. a good jungler wont just put the lanes ahead. he will play around the win condition

The best win condition is get all your lanes ahead.

letsfeedtogetherApr 10, 20193 votes

Not wvery time. If you have a kogmaw and and a cho gath top you should play around the kogmaw. As long as he isnt really bad of course

IP MasquerenaApr 10, 20193 votes

I so agree with you.

People need to wake up when they play, especially in ranked.

I'll try to gank for you once to restabilise the lane, but if you're got hit by an IRL Zoe bubble, forget it.

Better to have 1 feeder than 2 while the enemy has 2 or 3 feeders. Very few jg/top combos can carry by themselves when their team is bad.

demoted to ironApr 10, 20191 votes

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I’m not just gonna abandon my turret when I’m at full health. If they dive me my turret should actually be able to do something instead of tickling them. Or better yet my jungler should be there helping me. I play a lot of jungle and I win a lot, I win becaus I make sure all my lanes get ahead and get help even if they are getting camped. I make sure the enemy jungler has no presence in the game. If one of my lanes is getting camped I will be there to help them even if they are pushed up. Jungle is the least selfish role in the game besides support, you need to help everyone and realize that you can’t just go do your own thing. That why people hate master yi jungle, he never comes out of it and just power farms. Junglers need to have a balance between farming and ganking to succeed, you should not be camping someone but you should also not just be power farming jungle.

Doesn't make any sense to pander to people who don't even understand the basic concept of "if you're being camped, don't push". 90% of the time these people will throw their leads. I'd rather get a competent player ahead. If your turrets are doing nothing, then you should realize that and back off the dive. Doesn't matter if things should be a certain way, the game is the way it is and you can't play the way you think the game should be or you lose.

5StackUltOneShotApr 11, 20195 votes

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well yes. it is. if you know they will dive you go back

To where? My fountain? You sure ill be safe there? Maybe if I leave the game and become invulnerable you will be satisfied. Make sure those krugs on the other side of the map are cleared though, we didnt need that herald/drake anyway.

XJ99999999999999Apr 10, 20191 votes

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Yes it my fault I’m getting camped and getting tower dived by a vi and Darius. Cause I can’t totally do something about to tanky as hell champs tower diving me.

yeah cant gank a lane that walks in and gets chipped to 25-50% hp and then walk in so they dont even have to go deep for you.

the thing is, if you feed 2-3 kills and then decide to play safe... sorry, it's too late. u guys are really fucked now.

huhndogApr 10, 20191 votes

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Yes it my fault I’m getting camped and getting tower dived by a vi and Darius. Cause I can’t totally do something about to tanky as hell champs tower diving me.

If thats the case, it means you are past the point of no return. Ganking you would result in feeding the enemy more instead of helping other lanes getting ahead to compensate.

MessyStuffApr 11, 20191 votes

Nah, but it doesn't take that much just for a vi/darius towerdiving, like maybe a lvl above and 500 gold(assuming Darius is about 7-9) and they can easily towerdive.

ViperVenomApr 10, 20197 votes

My favourite is when one lane is raging about getting camped (ex. top lane), typing "gg 0 jg ganks" but ive been camping bot the entire time getting them ahead.

KarunamonApr 10, 20194 votes

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My favourite is when one lane is raging about getting camped (ex. top lane), typing "gg 0 jg ganks" but ive been camping bot the entire time getting them ahead.

Well yeah. Because they're probably getting their shit pushed in, losing tower, can't farm, and it's because you won't even stop by to say "hello".

HeeroTXApr 10, 20197 votes

Since the following happened (again) to me JUST last night: As I've said many times, I don't care if you camp my lane, not even if I get camped by the opposition. (I've even told my jungler to camp a different lane before) What I DO care about is that you do SOMETHING effective. If I'm camped by not only the enemy jungler but ALSO get a steady stream of visits from the enemy MID (without my own coming along or preceding him) then you better DAMN well be taking the other lanes that you have a clear numerical advantage over.

And DON'T give me that "I'm weak early and need time to farm" bullshit. If you are playing a weak early game jungler that YOU picked, then you better know how to be USEFUL and EFFECTIVE during the build phase OR its your job to be king of the board 20 mins in after you've screwed the rest of us with your weak early game. I'll soak pressure if I have to. I won't LIKE it, but I'll do it. But if I'm soaking massive enemy pressure then the rest of the team better be doing something or else that's YOUR fault.

Spicy RiceApr 10, 20193 votes

Pretty much this. Even if you are a weak jungler early, you can still apply pressure to the map.

Haze97Apr 10, 20191 votes

Exactly what I posted about a while ago.

If I'm being camped, soaking up their jungler's pressure, that makes it so much easier for my jungler to take objectives such as the drake or help another lane get ahead. But when I get camped and my jungler still gives up two infernal drakes, then I have a problem.

I can't get an easy lead while being camped, and if my jungler isn't taking his objectives or helping the bot lane get ahead then it's pretty much a gamble over whether your opponents mess up or your team miraculously gets together and learns to carry each other.

HeeroTXApr 10, 20191 votes

It's a real thrill to be constantly out-numbered in lane and then look up and see other lanes with less turret plates. Since I main bot, it's just a foregone conclusion that we'll have no drakes, but it's a special kind of bonus if we also don't have the herald and jungle is dicking around "counter jungling", on rare occasions with the bonus "execution" highlight.

QuáxApr 10, 20196 votes

Yea, top gets camped by enemy jungler so you CAMP THE BOT LANE. The fucked up mentality of lower elo players astounds me.

letsfeedtogetherApr 10, 20191 votes

You said it. Not me

Dr DogApr 10, 20194 votes

if the enemy jg is top all game while your bot (currently the most important lane to get ahead, btw) the enemy jg loses out on 1. drags 2. getting more of his team ahead 3. most likely losing mid too off of bot roams and 4 mans from your team after bot takes two towers easily because of lack of jg pressure

its not a "low elo" strat its just how league is now top can feed darius like a monkey all they want because they cant ward, a fed vayne is gonna shred the enemy teams asshole a lot better anyway

The thigh guyApr 10, 20194 votes

Wish people understood this shit.

It’s not your junglers job to win YOUR lane.

Exin0Apr 12, 20191 votes

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Wish people understood this shit.

It’s not your junglers job to win YOUR lane.

fair enough.

but then

Wish people understood this shit. Its not your laner job to leash for buff, setup ganks and kills for jungler, give up cs for jungler because he fail gank and help with crab duel.

The thigh guyApr 12, 20191 votes

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fair enough.

but then

Wish people understood this shit. Its not your laner job to leash for buff, setup ganks and kills for jungler, give up cs for jungler because he fail gank and help with crab duel.

Fair enough. It’s not your laners job to leash buffs. But don’t expect ganks if you don’t.

And cs is for the attempted gank. You pay your taxes you get ganks. You don’t pay your taxes. You don’t get ganks.

Exin0Apr 14, 20191 votes

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Fair enough. It’s not your laners job to leash buffs. But don’t expect ganks if you don’t.

And cs is for the attempted gank. You pay your taxes you get ganks. You don’t pay your taxes. You don’t get ganks.

so laner is just your slave, he must do your bidding for you to not intentionaly get lane destroyed and even willingly get behind because jungler screw up gank. what about if i dont get kill in gank i go farm jungle? its same as taxing lane no?

The thigh guyApr 14, 20191 votes

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so laner is just your slave, he must do your bidding for you to not intentionaly get lane destroyed and even willingly get behind because jungler screw up gank. what about if i dont get kill in gank i go farm jungle? its same as taxing lane no?

Um no. If he failed a gank you lost nothing. If your jungler has no impact on your lane, it’s not his fault you lost.

And you do get something if the jungler gets a kill. You get……… wait for it.………… uncontested xp, farm, assist gold, and turret plates. Wooooooooow. It’s almost like the kill isn’t EVERYTHING.

If the jungler gives you the kill and doesn’t tax, what does he get? Small amount of xp, less gold than clearing 2 camps. That’s about it.

Haze97Apr 10, 20194 votes

I play top lane.

I don't mind being camped.

But when I'm being camped all game and the drake and herald somehow still miraculously end up being taken by the opponent, and my bot lane goes down with negative ratios I have a problem.

I'm currently silver III on an alt and I get camped fairly often there. When my teammates don't make use of those windows to get objectives it means that I am not going to be able to generate a lead as easily and neither are they going to be carrying the game in my stead.

ThingamajigApr 10, 20193 votes

vertical jungling exists top lane ***** be like IT'S TIME TO GO ALL IN !

Dasdi96Apr 10, 20192 votes

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vertical jungling exists top lane ***** be like IT'S TIME TO GO ALL IN !

I really dont like this vertical jungling and crab meta riot forced into the game.

ThingamajigApr 10, 20191 votes

vertical jungling existed before the crabs it was just something really good players practiced and soloq was too stubborn to start doing cuz ohmugurd blue into red into 1 camp lvl 3 ohmugurd i gunk now people were r%%%%%ed doesn't mean it wasn't a strat

Jimmy RustlesApr 10, 20192 votes

What if all lanes are pushed to tower and the enemy JG is outfarming and out ganking?

Can we blame them then?

letsfeedtogetherApr 10, 20192 votes

If the jubgler is bad so the jungler is bad. But it dosent mwan he need to gank you. So yes. Its still your fault

Jimmy RustlesApr 10, 20194 votes

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If the jubgler is bad so the jungler is bad. But it dosent mwan he need to gank you. So yes. Its still your fault

So the jungler never has to do anything in a game

Wonder what role you main

letsfeedtogetherApr 10, 20191 votes

I actually play mid top :) but if the jungler is bad. Dont expect him to gank you. There for its YOUR fault

Spicy RiceApr 10, 20193 votes

Yep, its your fault your teammate can't or won't do their job. Sounds great.

letsfeedtogetherApr 10, 20191 votes

No. its your fault for relying on them

Haze97Apr 11, 20191 votes

Yeah maybe I should take a side excursion to get that drake on my way to the top lane. You know, since it's my fault the jungler won't.

Dr DogApr 10, 20192 votes

if your getting camped at all its your fault for A) hard feeding early so your weak enough to get dived B) not using the free wards riot gave you, too many times ive seen top laners getting camped with a grand total of 0 ward score with both ward charges up at 13 mins. or C) fed early to a duelist that knows because their ahead a countergank will just be a double kill for them IE jax, illaoi, renekton, riven, etc

dont expect ganks when you dont set yourself up to be able to be ganked

Spicy RiceApr 10, 20193 votes

I don't think you understand how top lane works...

Whoever get's the slightest edge early, tends to dominate the lane. This means that they get to freeze, deny all vision, and 2v1 dive, and there's nothing the weaker laner can do except hope for a couple ganks to even out the lane.

And because of plating and first tower gold, you can't just leave lane, otherwise you risk the opponent getting so massively ahead they solo carry the game.

Haze97Apr 11, 20193 votes

Oh yeah, play against a Renekton as either Nasus, Kayle, or even someone like Fiora while her W is down and tell me how that level 6 dive with his jungler backing him up goes.

I love how disconnected a lot of people on these boards are. Most people who comment on the state of top lane have either never played it, or probably play cancer champs such as Vlad which makes sitting on one's ass and pressing Q easier.

TheGentlemanSirApr 10, 20191 votes

FF and play another game simple.

faureApr 10, 20191 votes

if you are getting camped and repeatedly dying to the enemy jungler there is like a 95% chance that:

you are constantly pushed which makes dangerous/difficult for me to gank
you are not properly warding around your lane which makes it difficult for me to counter-gank

to reiterate, if the enemy jungler if having heir way with you, it means that you are making yourself an easy target. trust me, us junglers are always, ALWAYS looking for the path of least resistance when it comes to gank targets, and with things like proper warding, it quickly becomes obvious which enemy laners aren't using utilizing vision, are playing too aggressively, pushing recklessly, etc. if you're getting camped, there are steps that YOU need to take (vision control, lane freezing, etc) before you bitch at the jungler, who should (hopefully) be focusing on other more profitable lanes

Exin0Apr 12, 20191 votes

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if you are getting camped and repeatedly dying to the enemy jungler there is like a 95% chance that:

you are constantly pushed which makes dangerous/difficult for me to gank

you are not properly warding around your lane which makes it difficult for me to counter-gank

to reiterate, if the enemy jungler if having heir way with you, it means that you are making yourself an easy target. trust me, us junglers are always, ALWAYS looking for the path of least resistance when it comes to gank targets, and with things like proper warding, it quickly becomes obvious which enemy laners aren't using utilizing vision, are playing too aggressively, pushing recklessly, etc. if you're getting camped, there are steps that YOU need to take (vision control, lane freezing, etc) before you bitch at the jungler, who should (hopefully) be focusing on other more profitable lanes

just about second point, with constant vision nerfs and mid lane assassin roaming top/bot its not easy maintain vision on your own

SyrileApr 10, 20191 votes

This thread is interesting. I mostly agree with the original post. Top lane is especially vulnerable to this and is basically on an island. Bad players love to camp top lane all the time and worse players love to get ganked (By love, I mean put themselves in the position to be ganked all the time) all the time.

If I am getting camped (I am a mid main so it is a little different but top lane camping is much easier to punish), I stress to my team that this is perfectly acceptable. First, playing mages means the enemy laner will lose experience as the JG taxes their experience. I will gain levels and thus damage faster with my spells. Second, I will start focusing on playing safe and wave clearing to lessen the impact of their ganks and make them waste their time. Especially when I start spamming emotes at them for doing so. Third, I stress to my JG or other lanes to punish them.

If the JG is needlessly camping my lane getting nothing done, they cannot be at the dragon pit, so we take dragon. If the JG is in my lane doing nothing, they cannot counter-gank when our JG ganks bot lane and puts our ADC ahead in kills and turret plates. Proper play allows you to punish camping if you respond properly to it and if the laner that is being camped stops trying to act like they are Faker and going into a 2v1 knowingly.

As for being turret dived.. I do think Riot needs to fix the turrets, but generally, most champions cannot dive you if you are farming nearly even to them. Pick up some defensive items so it is hard to kill you and their turret dives will end in them dying as well, or maybe them dying and you living. A few of these and your team will be so far ahead (assuming they play properly) that their camp just costs them the game. I use this strategy all the time.

I am a very aggressive player, mind you, so JGs love to camp me. Mid is very easy to gank as well. Normally, I welcome it, so long as my JG or other laners know what to do while I play Zilean and ulti myself under tower. :D

Jinzo TorranceApr 10, 20191 votes

No you

Malix FarwinApr 11, 20191 votes

I hope you remember that OP when you are trying to contest River Objectives and Invade the enemy jungle because if i am getting camped mid i will not roam.

Top lane is even worse in that 9 times out of 10 they are tower diving you.

If the jg is able to camp 1 lane and you are not either making plays elsewhere or counter ganking then you are basically afk.

Exin0Apr 14, 20191 votes

nothing? most likely enemy get kill in failed gank.And what i get when jungler get kill? oh yeah too many times he also tax lane so i get nothing just pushed lane. And pls dont talk about uncontested xp, farm ....