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Daily reminder that playing with a premade is the worst experience ever for a solo player.

L0ve Is Blue··43 votes·3,933 views

I've just had what I could call the worst experience I have EVER had in League of Legends in my entire life. A premade of 4 on my team. Gives 3 kills to Lucian before 5 minutes. Keeps dying to him. But I can't say anything because I know no one will be on my side. Whatever I say I am alone. So anyway they keep dying to him and mid game comes up. Guess what happens, Lucian kills me a few times undertower with his well coordinated team (because premades go against premades, so much fun!!!) and in the end I get blamed by ALL OF THEM because I am ''too bad'' and they can't carry me. I guess I was the only one feeding Lucian these 42 kills.

Dynamic queue did NOTHING to reduce toxicity. Premades just dont report each other. And toxicity takes a whole new level when you are being flamed by 4 persons that are actualy the one doing wrong and you know you can't do anything about it.

Dynamic queue is by far worse than solo queue

Dynamic queue did not bring anything good to league, either about toxicity or competitive play

Dynamic queue does not encourage a healthy environment where players can play freely

I have to say i'd rather go against a 5 men premade with a team full of solo anytime instead of being alone with a 4 man premade. If we win I feel like its unfair, if we lose there is nothing I can do because I can't even try to communicate with them.

EDIT: I think people don't understand. I'm not mad because premades are trolling. I am mad because they are allowed to exist. It's unfair. If they lose solo players lose with them, if they win solo players win with them. Premades decide how ranked play goes and that is against everything ranked play should be, wich is a clear representation of YOUR skills. Not the skills you have when you are playing with a specific group of friends.

51 Comments

TheSequelsRBad10 votes

If it makes you feel better, I play as a premade in ranked often, and we have never harassed anyone, stolen anyone's role, or trolled anyone we get matched with.

Some ranked premades are toxic, but that doesn't mean all premades are a negative experience for solo players, many of whom for us never knew we were premade.

L0ve Is Blue10 votes

I don't give a single damn. You can be the best nicest premade ever, but premades dont have their place in competitive play. It takes away the meaning of a ranking system and people can get at any rank just by getting carried. Premades will always be better than solo players and this single argument should be enough to shut down dynamic queue cause unfairness shouldn't have its place in a competitive game.

TheSequelsRBad4 votes

Yeah, our around 50% win rate means we are SOO breaking the system. I have a much higher win rate duoing with my brother, then with a group of 4 or 5 friends. Premades tend to get matched up with premades, so it balances out the communication advantage, and you can't queue up with people a tier above you, ie bronze can't queue up with Gold, so I don't know how you think people can "get any rank just by being carried."

Very Hard Engage7 votes

thats the issue.

you bring with you a 50-50 at winning the game

us solo players are looking to climb up and win every single game. you destroy that.

in soloq i can climb, with premades im royally bent and pounded.

its largely because in solo i can give instructions with a high probability of them being followed, pings, wards, requests, plans, who to focus, and general synergy, every solo player has the intent of try harding and winning this game because in the end, they know they only screw over themselves if they dont.

when i say something nice, or logical "hey guys, their vayne is 14/1, she should die first, ill ult her as seju and you guys can flash on top of her and kill her asap" it gets done with solos. meanwhile i struggle to get your premade onto any obj at all.

premades do not communicate with their solo players, you can say you do, but you dont, you really really dont.

Revali2 votes

us solo players are looking to **climb up and win every single game. **you destroy that.

This part right here. you shouldn't win every single game, a premade being 50-50 has no difference than a solo being 50-50 most of the time.

other than that the rest of it seems alright.

I play pretty much solo too, outside of maybe three or four games where my closest friends dragged me into a ranked one.

Thunderspam5 votes

I play in a premade of 4 or 5 every night just to get rid of freaking afks and trolls. Your friends wont do that and if they do you can just put hot sauce in their cereal or something xD

rescued2 votes

[slayer-jinx-wink]

GayFluffyUnicorn2 votes

Please... On my smurf i often play with silver-gold5 friends. I just roflstomp every game to victory. Not only because the enemy is mostly solo while we are 4-5 men but also because one higher elo player is enough. Sure there are games we lose because of shitcomp, me playing badly, my entire team playing so badly i can't carry but overall we maintained a 60% winrate so far.

TheSequelsRBad1 votes

None of my friends smurf. So not really related.

Slythion1 votes

50% win ratio doesn't mean anything and here's why:

Because to compensate with premade player's having the obvious advantage of communication, Riot's response was to match them against higher skilled solo players. Now, this may seem great in theory and obviously looks great in the big picture, but individual experiences and overall "fairness" got even more trashed by this reaction.

Now you have an even more clear difference in player skills in a game where not only do you have golds in a premade with silvers and plats, but the enemy solo players now can be diamonds and plats. I don't care what the excuse, in absolutely no ranked game should there be silvers/golds playing with/against diamonds. It's ridiculous! Imagine the frustration of a silver getting his ass kicked by a diamond in lane, or a diamond who has to play with people significantly worse than him simply because...why?

Because Riot wanted players to be able to play with friends in ranked...

Lets take a look at another issue with Dynamic Queue and an inherent problem with premades with ranked. This time it doesn't have to do with the inherent unfairness and the flawed philosophy that you can counter one group's unfair advantage by simply giving the other team an unrelated unfair advantage. No, this problem has to do with the very core of Ranked.

Rankings:

Since the dawn of ranked, it has always been about assessing an individuals score. Playing with friends was always for normals, and if you wanted to be competitive about it you could have a 5-man premade. That's how it is with most sports anyways, if you don't have a full team then you can't play, right? But now, Riot has been using a solo ranking system to assess the skill of premades. I can't be the only one to see a problem with this, right? How can anyone judge a players skill off of purely win/loss when they have the same team every game? It's impossible! The system is giving individual player's a ranking by treating several players as a single entity. That's not fair for real solo players who are trying to achieve their real ranking.

But no, thank god that the very essence of ranked was trashed so that 3 and 4 man premades could join ranked. It wasn't even for duos or 5-mans, seeing as they were both allowed to be in ranked. No, all of this trash was allowed to give a small portion of the community (3 and 4 mans) to join ranked...wtf Riot.

And for those who are happy about the "separate ladders" thing for next season, please understand that this only solves 1 of the problems with Dynamic Queue. Unfairness in games due to clear advantages being given to both sides in an effort to counteract DQ's communication advantage will still exist, causing many clear problems on the micro aspects of the game. Sure, it may not effect that perfect 50-50 ratio that Riot seems to only care about, but the actual game is still under stress and is inherently unfair.

And for those of you who enjoy the benefits of premades, I have no hard feelings. I understand it's more enjoyable to play with friends, but I just ask for you to understand the damage that is being caused for your enjoyment. I don't blame you for enjoying DQ, that's what it was meant for! I do, however, blame you if you see no problem and have decided that your enjoyment is more important than the millions of players and a system's integrity being destroyed.

So go enjoy DQ, but please don't support Dynamic Queue. There is a difference

DeathBurst1 votes

First off, that's not true. Secondly, that's not what your OP was complaining about, and so PartyPanda replied to what you actually wrote the first time...

rescued2 votes

I use to only solo q, but recently been DyQ as 3-5 premades and I've been having way more fun as well as ranking up. We aren't toxic either, and we DO communicate with the solos if we do have one. We are adults, not kids, and I hate that people give premades a bad name.

since summer is over hopefully there will be less toxic premades.

KoKoboto2 votes

Not all but definitely most

Slythion6 votes

I just played with a 3 man actually

Their mid-laner wanted adc so he 2nd picked Caitlyn before it was my turn and forced me into mid role. Not only was that a dick move, but he proceeded to max W and feed his ass off while the other 2 members of his party were silent or just laughing. The other solo on my team reported him but that was quite an unenjoyable match. The fact that I wasn't allowed to dodge that cancer before the game started without being punished makes it even worse

L0ve Is Blue2 votes

TBH losing with a premade of more than 2 man on your team should make you lose half of the LP, if not no LP at all. When you have a premade of more than 2 on your team you just can't have enough influence on the game to change things by your own and you can't prevent any loss that a premade puts in place.

General Esdeath 1 votes

They tried to bully me into giving top by banning my champ. I still went to my lane while they tried to convince the other team I "stole it".

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Had a similar experience. 4 men pre and i solo. I got mid (my main). All talking towards me taking jungle and let their premade mid. In the last second i picked jungle and thought fuck it. I picked nunu jungle (never played it but kinda knew from theory how to play him, didn'tgive a shit about that game anyways) and suddenly their pre picks udyr jungle. Game starts, premades flaming all chat: omg report that nunu troll, Q as mid and now he takes nunu jungle and trolls, report troll pls get him banned blabla. Yeah. Nice experience, funny enough is that i was the only one playing well as nunu mid then, while the entire stack just fed their asses off.

ThePikol6 votes

Sorry, but you were 2/12/7, the worst stats in your team. I see you didn't die first, only when Lucian were like 7/0 and you 0/1, but still, you kept building dmg instead of some def items. Maybe they fed at first (probably not intentionally) but you performed the worst in your team. Let me guess, after that you decided to feed (because you think it's lost, and because they "fed" first so you can as well). That 6 deaths in a row kind of prove it. I also guess that when you saw you are with premades you started to be negative from the start, thinking that you are Superior Solo Player. I suggest treat premades as you treat solo players and don't think about it

L0ve Is Blue6 votes

you performed the worst in your team.

How am I expected to perform well when I am always left alone by my team, receiving no help even if I ask for some and not being alowed to take any decision whatsoever in the game? All that against a team that is way more coordinated than mine.

after that you decided to feed

I have never fed intentionaly in my entire life, I always have some games where I struggle and I am not in the mood once In a while. Also if you look at my match history I haven't played Lux in ages and my others games went way better but the one I played yesterday weren't that good because I just wasn't in the best mood.

I also guess that when you saw you are with premades you started to be negative from the start, thinking that you are Superior Solo Player.

Yes I got negative from the start. And with reasons. I never had a good experience playing with a premade and I knew I was going to have a shitty game. I knew I was going to be the one left out and I knew that the matchmaking system always put premades of 4 with a player that had a higher MMR than them to compensate for the lack of communication, wich just means ''yo we put you with 4 players slightly worse than you but they r in skype lel''

I suggest treat premades as you treat solo players and don't think about it

I'd love to treat premades like I treat solo players! Communicate with them and getting answers, being able to call shots once in a while, not having to constantly be behind because I am getting ganked by a team that actualy communicate...

General Esdeath 4 votes

The Lucian was fed by the premade, OP gets blamed. His score doesn't matter, the point is that they blame SOMEONE ELSE for feeding the Lucian who only came to his lane after being 7/0.

rescued4 votes

Honestly, I use to be a only solo q player, but after months and months of not having fun, being annoyed and just overall negativity, I decided to start Dy Q with my friends premade 3-5. Since then I've had so much fun playing ranked, even if we do lose, it doesn't matter. At least I'm having fun with my friends WHILE trying my best and ranking up. Plus we are all adults so we don't create a negative experience for the solos on our team.

Thunderspam1 votes

Exactly! Im getting flamed in a post below for saying the same thing Ranked is more fun if your with friends More fun = Less salt Less salt = better preformance

rescued2 votes

Exactly! [slayer-jinx-wink] People are just angry at all premades now cause they had a couple troll in their ranked games.

Thunderspam1 votes

hehehe im getting one sneaky little upvote in all ur posts... lets see if they notice xD

TwiztidrootZ3 votes

Yeah just had a game where the premade fed, I helped too ofc but shit. I started to get flamed super fking hard by 1 of them and when I try to defend myself i get ganged up on and lied about to the enemies. Ofc all the enemies believed them instead of me but thats w/e. I got reported for that shit and apparently defending yourself is toxic negative behavior. I didnt tell them to kill themselves. I said we are all garbage cause we are silvers so idk if that did it. They need to literally make a god damn mode where only ONE person can fucking queue up. a TRUE solo queue experience. the only true experience seems to be getting ganged on by your own negative teams and reported every time.

Jorencice1 votes

Sigh. If you did nothing wrong than your fine.

It doesnt matter if the premade gets all 9 other people to report you because only 1 report counts.

Thunderspam3 votes

But the thing that you forget is the enhanced coordination between a group and also the ability to have fun in a premade. I have WAY more fun in a premade, even if we lose, than in a ranked solo que win. Just remember, it is just a game and people are supposed to have fun in games, i.e. playing with your friends and just enjoying the game itself.

L0ve Is Blue3 votes

Fun is not an argument to keep dynamic queue as a competitive lader. Competition is not fun. Go play normals if you want fun. Not competitive.

Thunderspam2 votes

So just because its ranked means I cant have fun? Can I not play off meta champs in ranked even if there my best? Normals are great to have fun in but seriously, unless you play the game for a living then its just a game. Games were designed so that you can have fun

General Esdeath 2 votes

I came to ranked to rank up and improve myself. I didn't come for a 3-man to troll by picking Teemo, Evelyn, and Twitch so they could hide invisibly in the enemy jungle until the enemy jungler finally came.

Man losing LP was sure fun!

Thunderspam1 votes

Than you could do 2 things A. DC before it starts and lose 3 LP B. Report them all after game. Im not saying that its not annoying to have trolls but it is just a game

General Esdeath 3 votes

So I lose LP and have to wait because of trolls. Yeah that's fun. Also what would I report them for? They're just breaking meta, as Riot has said before. And who are we to tell them how to play? Aren't games made to be fun? They're having fun, so they're right :)

Thunderspam2 votes

now your just mocking me You can report people for trolling believe it or not, send a report and click unsportsmanlike conduct and leave a message to them explaining. And yes they are having fun so good for them :)

General Esdeath 3 votes

Actually Riot said that themselves. Breaking meta is fun and isn't reportable. They think it's the early days of League where nothing was known and people tried AD Sion and AP Sion and tank Sion and hybrid Sion.

It's not unsportsmanlike, that's something like saying "ggez" or being a sore loser/rude.

Thunderspam1 votes

yeah meta-breaking is amazing I play Jungle Twisted Fate almost every day and enjoy the heck out of it But if your team is admittedly trolling I think you can report them, like as supp Garen or Jungle Janna or something, as long as they actually admit to trolling

General Esdeath 3 votes

No, see TF jungle is meta breaking. 3 people hiding in a bush instead of lane (essentially the same as having an afk laner) is not meta breaking.

L0ve Is Blue2 votes

unless you play the game for a living then its just a game.

People like you are the reason ranked is missunderstood. It's COMPETITIVE. Even challengers started at the bottom of the ranking when they started playing, but if climbing and ranking isn't taking seriously and is more about fun than being serious I don't see any reason to keep it up. Can you have fun by playing ranked? yes. Should ranked matchmaking system be made around players having fun? no. It should be about players having a representative ranking.

Thunderspam2 votes

Oh my gosh guys, this is stupid. I know ranked is taken seriously. I know its annoying to have people troll. I KNOW ALL THIS. I taked ranked very seriously, I play a lot of it. Im trying to say that premade groups are HELPFUL to your team as long as they aren't trolling. I play in a premade group all the time with my friends, and we know how each other play and what they need in he game. The voice comm between us gives us even further communication. This is helpful. Really helpful. I don't see why "people like me"(?) are the problem, what problem? having fun? When did this become a problem? Ranked is serious, but even Dyrus, Sneaky, Bjeregson and other streamers laugh when they play. Why? BECAUSE THEIR HAVING FUN!

L0ve Is Blue1 votes

Im trying to say that premade groups are HELPFUL to your team

Then this is an argument to make them leave ranked play? No team should have an advantage over the other.

I think people don't understand. I'm not mad because premades are trolling. I am mad because they are allowed to exist. It's unfair. If they lose solo players lose with them, if they win solo players win with them. Premades decide how ranked play goes and that is against everything ranked play should be, wich is a clear representation of YOUR skills. Not the skills you have when you are playing with a specific group of friends.

Thunderspam1 votes

Which is why premades of 3-5 get matched up against premades of 3-5 It's called "Fairness" :)

L0ve Is Blue1 votes

No since its always the strongest premade who wins, not the strongest team. Solo players matched with premades of 3 or 4 dont matter.

rescued2 votes

It is always who is the strongest/better played team. even if it was 5v5 ALL SOLOS, the team with the better solo players wins the game.

L0ve Is Blue1 votes

But if you put a premade of 3 or more with these 5 solos, they decide how the game goes since they are the majority of the team.

rescued2 votes

Why is it "less competitive" when you play with your friends? Why can't I be just as competitive by myself as I am with my friends? So if sneaky, bunny fufu and meteos dy Q its fine because they are LCS players? They are having fun, laughing and playing their best. Premades do the same thing. and YES there are premades that troll which is WRONG and reportable, but NOT ALL premades are like that.

Thunderspam1 votes

this guy has "Rescued" me xD

rescued1 votes

Hahaha! Love how we got downvoted too [slayer-jinx-catface]

Thunderspam1 votes

#worth I really don't care to be honest hahahaha they can downvote this all they want its just a game xD

Mobius142 votes

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I've just had what I could call the worst experience I have EVER had in League of Legends in my entire life. A premade of 4 on my team. Gives 3 kills to Lucian before 5 minutes. Keeps dying to him. But I can't say anything because I know no one will be on my side. Whatever I say I am alone. So anyway they keep dying to him and mid game comes up. Guess what happens, Lucian kills me a few times undertower with his well coordinated team (because premades go against premades, so much fun!!!) and in the end I get blamed by ALL OF THEM because I am ''too bad'' and they can't carry me. I guess I was the only one feeding Lucian these 42 kills.

Dynamic queue did NOTHING to reduce toxicity. Premades just dont report each other. And toxicity takes a whole new level when you are being flamed by 4 persons that are actualy the one doing wrong and you know you can't do anything about it.

Dynamic queue is by far worse than solo queue

Dynamic queue did not bring anything good to league, either about toxicity or competitive play

Dynamic queue does not encourage a healthy environment where players can play freely

I have to say i'd rather go against a 5 men premade with a team full of solo anytime instead of being alone with a 4 man premade. If we win I feel like its unfair, if we lose there is nothing I can do because I can't even try to communicate with them.

Just wait untill season 7.No solo queue in season 7? then this game will die.

General Esdeath 1 votes

No shut up it's amazing and Riot can never be wrong! You're just a toxic feeder troll. Now get hyped to buy these new 5 skins for champions you don't play! Also Championship Zed!

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/925/494/218.png_large

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

Championship skin on a champ recently nerfed into the gutter. Riot logic.

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