"Juggernauts" =/= New Morde

Goodnight Nunu·Aug 4, 2015·42 votes·2,006 views

Wtf is wrong with these Mordekaiser changes? I mean the Drake clone looks cool and stuff and sounds like a mordekaiser thing to do. But why the hell do you ship a "Juggernaut" update with a duo lane mordekaiser rework? Do you seriously think making a meele bruiser with shitty scalings and shitty base stats which are also being even gutted further, might I add, a duo laner against a range dominated lane is a good idea? What's more is you're adding even more useless AD scalings to his E and gut the base damage... I was really looking forward to these changes but now I just feel like crying... What are you supposed to build now? Rageblade? just saying that makes me cringe........ http://www.reignofgaming.net/ here are the new stats and abilities btw...

EDIT: CertainlyT worked on the changes, figures. HURR DURR let's make morde into a meele Kalista

27 Comments

LarasoAug 4, 201513 votes

His E now has a base damage of 35 and maxes out at 155.

His early to mid game is going to be complete garbage

MatezoideAug 4, 20154 votes

Because already being shit early game wasnt enough! Nope, his Mid must be just as terrible too because he (sometimes) gets a dragon every 6 minutes!

Goodnight NunuAug 4, 20152 votes

Yo dawg I heard you like dragons So we nerfed morde but now you can occasionally get a drake! Why? because fuck all mordekaiser players!

Rew711Aug 4, 20152 votes

For Christmas, Riot gifted me the most awesome skin; LORD MORDEKAISER. It's so awesome, I want to play as Mordekaiser. But now, I'm going to be the troll in champ select who picks him for anywhere.

I just tested in on the PBE where I'm alone and yep, you must be with an ally. This would be great on a support, but not on Mordekaiser if he cannot do it by himself. This is suppose to be a way to heal himself, it should not have the drawback it does.

Jungle Lux GodAug 5, 20156 votes

Keep in mind it's also getting a .6 total AD ratio. It actually comes out to Morde dealing MORE damage early on when calculating it with his base AD while dealing less damage late.

LarasoAug 5, 20151 votes

His current E does 70 damage at rank 1. HIs new E will do 71 damage at rank 1. He'll do 1 more damage early game. 1.

It's a nerf.

Axis the DragonAug 5, 20151 votes

I.. well, uh... hum. I mean technically... that's a buff. For early game anyway. xD

Jungle Lux GodAug 6, 20151 votes

But at level 2 it's closer to 2 extra damage. How's that for a buff.

Max E later on (which is probably going to happen due to his new Q being so level dependent), and you have a much greater buff on your hand.

Max E first and you feel more pain from maxing it first than your health costs will hurt you.

It's a nerf later on outside of the CDR changes and the bonus shield changes, but it's closer to a net neutral change early on.

OrangesilkAug 5, 20151 votes

His early game will be all about landing that Q, with the help of a support who has ample access to CC.

GigglesOAug 4, 201511 votes

BUT HE GETS A DRAGON! Guys, obviously riot knows better than the players that play him. :|

Did you even see the ulti nerf? Not to mention his shield is still too small.

MatezoideAug 4, 201510 votes

......

Meanwhile Lee Sin and Zed gets buffed.

Herp derp we are making Mord a fighter!

Nerfs his base health, nerfs his health per level and destroys his movement speed

Also destroyed his Q because why the fuck not?

junglerboy16Aug 4, 20154 votes

if you actually do the math and consider total damage, against a single target it deals (15 (+20% AD) (+20% AP))x13 total bonus damage after all three hits, or 195 (+260% AD) (+260% AP) total bonus damage after three hits, with the last one dealing 135 (+180% AD) (+180% AP) bonus damage all by itself.

It looks bad at first until you add it up and realize that full AP morde (say 700 AP) could deal over 1500 damage in a single auto attack. EDIT: With only base AD and a full AP build, he could deal 2,855 total damage in only 3 auto attacks. That's freaking insane.

They're actually giving Morde a surprising amount of damage with these changes.

That said, the whole "W only deals damage if your with an ally" crap is still unforgivable until they remove it.

GwingMasterAug 5, 20152 votes

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if you actually do the math and consider total damage, against a single target it deals (15 (+20% AD) (+20% AP))x13 total bonus damage after all three hits, or 195 (+260% AD) (+260% AP) total bonus damage after three hits, with the last one dealing 135 (+180% AD) (+180% AP) bonus damage all by itself.

It looks bad at first until you add it up and realize that full AP morde (say 700 AP) could deal over 1500 damage in a single auto attack. EDIT: With only base AD and a full AP build, he could deal 2,855 total damage in only 3 auto attacks. That's freaking insane.

They're actually giving Morde a surprising amount of damage with these changes.

That said, the whole "W only deals damage if your with an ally" crap is still unforgivable until they remove it.

The Q absoultely does do a TON of damage - you're 100% correct on this. Here's the problem: how do you actually get those three auto attacks off? Unless your opponent has had a recent lobotomy and doesn't realize that all he has to do is walk away from you to escape, there's no way you should ever get all three hits in. That's why the ability gives you so much damage - because they know you're rarely (if ever) gonna be able to employ it effectively.

The problem new Morde has is that his Q is great, but melee range. His ranged harass on E got its early game gutted (mid/late you can still do decent damage on it but the extra AD scaling likely won't help much unless you're building towards it), and his W is only helpful with an ally around. So 1v1 dueling is pretty much out of the question unless the enemy is immobile and squishy.

The Q is an awesome ability IN THEORY, but without anyone way of sticking to an enemy I"m sort of dubious on how exactly that's suppose to address his most obvious drawback.

OrangesilkAug 5, 20151 votes

The Q is an awesome ability that requires you to somehow be hitting a CCed target. It has stupid synergy with:

Blitzcrank Nami Nautilus Leona Morgana Thresh Lulu .

Wait a minute... Am I seeing something here. By this idea it would be ideal to have Morde lane accompanied by one of these champions, in a duo lane, next to the dragon, to unlock his full potential. Meanwhile AD Trist mid, or top Vayne or some bullshit like that acts as the actual ADC tank-shredder.

junglerboy16Aug 5, 20152 votes

Yeah, all the Marksman/ranged DPS threats that can solo lane while Morde duos bot would include Azir Cassiopeia Corki Ezreal Karthus Kayle Kennen KogMaw Lucian Quinn Sivir Teemo Tristana TwistedFate Vayne

That's a pretty broad selection, and doesn't even touch on melee DPS types or assassin types.

Malicious MetalAug 4, 20159 votes

What ever happened to making hi a better fighter/bruiser overall?? First they give me hope by praising how much better he'd be after his rework but now they destroy my favorite top laner and frankly the only goddamn reason I play this damn game.

Thanks, thought christmas came early but it's just my death sentence.

NullDragonAug 4, 20154 votes

Base stats: Improved AD, now best AD in game. Passive: Has 25% of his max HP. Drains based on his BASE HP. Now stays at 6% of his max HP. Q: 0.2 AP on first hit, 0.6 AP on second hit, 1.8 AP on third hit. 4 second cooldown. W: 1.2 AP over 4 seconds. 8 second cooldown. No cost(and also heals) E: 0.6 AP instant at 700 range. Also 3.75% of his max health as a shield for every champion hit. R: CAN CONTROL DRAGON AS A GHOST AND LONGER DURATION FROM 30 TO 75 SECONDS :O

His damage is ludicrous. His survivability is ludicrous. I am kind of scared right now and need to see him in a game.

terkmcAug 5, 20154 votes

I think you forgot to mention the fact that W is literally uncastable alone, not even on minion. He isnt Xin Zhao so his three hit combo wont be coming out anytime soon

OrangesilkAug 5, 20156 votes

It' almost as if he needed a partner to use his combo.

A lane partner.

A lane partner with cc who doesn't take his farm.

A lane partner with cc who doesn't take his farm and who lanes with him next to the dragon.

(Meanwhile Vayne top or Trist mid, or any such bullshit to account for your lack of marksman).

Adrian UmbraAug 5, 20152 votes

Mordekaiser also

Lost shield generation Lost lategame damage on his E, which had all of the things you're lauding already except better. Cannot use his ult as long as he has a dragon. Lost 15 base MS. Lost solo lane potential.

Yes, he got some cool new toys, but please don't spin doctor things for Riot, they really need to answer to why they're reworking an AP bruiser burst mage solo laner into an AD bruiser duo laner and not nuke everything he has that you didn't list.

GigglesOAug 4, 20153 votes

{quoted} LOOK! You can control a dragon for a few seconds! ISN'T THAT NEAT?"

Don't worry, we got a dragon. (Every at most 6 minutes) (For what 30 seconds?) Video probably cut out because they didn't want to show dragon die the second he got to midlane.

ChaosThiefAug 5, 20151 votes

75 seconds, apparently they buffed the duration.

HELLO DRAGON. WE SHALL NOW TAKE THIS TOWER.

HandheldBrandonAug 4, 20153 votes

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Do you seriously think making a meele bruiser

Yea no one actually plays Morde as a "Meele" Bruiser. Most people play him as a squishy mage who just happens to have a halo Overshield for a passive.

The ChucklerAug 5, 20152 votes

None of this "juggernaut" stuff makes sense. If anything, they are making Garen less of one.

Chespin2013Aug 4, 20151 votes

hey guys we hear you like gameplay updates so we gutted skarners passive, q, and his movement speed but hey you get a capture the rock minigame now that was so much needed

Stars ShaperAug 4, 20151 votes

They're turning him into a Support's Support xD

JuscarTheDreadAug 4, 20151 votes

I still think personally i Want my solo lane morde i play morde mid and top and i love him personally and im against most of these changes especially the nerfing to his E burst His E did most of his team fight damage in my opinion and was his best spell Q was just more for some direct focus but less dmg.

Oh and ya the W changes stupid Rip all morde mains and morde solo lanes Morde now permentaly bot and even then i think its gonna fail.

ty rito for ruining my favorite champion

i dont get why all of a sudden there CHANGING ALL THE CHAMPIONS

Seriously soo many champion reworks being pushed out too fast this getting stupid and not enough testing or feedback from the general masses of players

would it hurt to just put out a survey?